MrBRulzOK
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 22, 2012 2:03:35 GMT -5
I agree with you Jono, but we are nearing the end of the day. We need to come together on somebody. And you were the only person people were agreeing on.
Is there anybody else you suggest that we focus on instead? Based on what limited knowledge you have who right now is jumping out at you the most?
I really want to have at least some momentum going before the deadline approaches. I admit it won't be easy, Day One never is, but we have to give it a shot at least. Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and hit someone we're looking for?
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Yami Daimao
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 22, 2012 2:45:06 GMT -5
I understand you're reasoning, Yami, but if I was Mafia, why would I stick my neck out on day one like that? Why put a target on my back? I'm well aware that i could be 100% wrong about Jono. But day one is always hard to find and nail scum. I'll understand if you're still not convinced about me but i feel my actions in the long run will show that i'm dead set on hunting scum. Wouldn't being the first one to speak up on Day 1 make you look LESS suspicious, thus benefiting you if you were scum? You would look more like you're looking out for the town's best interest and less being scum manipulating the town, when there's a good possibility it could be the other way around. Either you're lynch-eager because you're scum who wants a potential townie to by lynched and is using their inactivity as an excuse, or you're lynch-eager because you're a townie who wants to come up with a potential candidate before the Mafia can get one on us. I could be wrong about you, or I could be right about you. You might be town who just used poor choice of words that unfortunately made you look suspicious, or scum who accidentally slipped and might have drew suspicion upon yourself. HOWEVER, with that said, after Jono's most recent post, there's more of a possibility you could be right. After all of the suspicion and votes for him, he hasn't put up much of an effort to defend himself. Although, if he were town, maybe overly defending himself might make him look even more suspicious than he already is. It's certainly a lot to think about, which is why I'm going to give this another day before voting. I'll be keeping my eyes on both Jono and Produceman, unless someone else slips up.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 22, 2012 2:48:08 GMT -5
He doesn't have to flip s*** over it, he just has to give a more thorough explanation for himself.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 22, 2012 2:51:54 GMT -5
If he can do that, then I'll unvote for him.
I have to admit, it is a tad strange that so many people jumped on him quickly and if what Street Spartan said is true, then the mafia know who each other are while us townies are left in the dark about everyone else.
So this is how I see it: either those who have jumped on Jono have a point about him and he really is being vague to not reveal too much about himself and make everyone suspicious, or, those who have jumped on Jono and voted for him are mafia who have decided to jump on someone and are using his inactivity as an excuse.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 22, 2012 2:59:43 GMT -5
If he can do that, then I'll unvote for him. I have to admit, it is a tad strange that so many people jumped on him quickly and if what Street Spartan said is true, then the mafia know who each other are while us townies are left in the dark about everyone else. So this is how I see it: either those who have jumped on Jono have a point about him and he really is being vague to not reveal too much about himself and make everyone suspicious, or, those who have jumped on Jono and voted for him are mafia who have decided to jump on someone and are using his inactivity as an excuse. Yeh Mafia knows who is mafia and who is not(but they don't know if the non-mafia are third party) And i agree the jump is suspicious,but it isn't that much of a jump on it.Still far away from a lynch.
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MrBRulzOK
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 22, 2012 5:27:34 GMT -5
Indeed, plus if Produce and I were both Mafia why would we pile on together now? It would be more prudent to wait for momentum to build up and then swoop in with our votes amongst it.
Would be kind of ballsy on our part to be the first to strike.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 22, 2012 8:43:30 GMT -5
If he can do that, then I'll unvote for him. I have to admit, it is a tad strange that so many people jumped on him quickly and if what Street Spartan said is true, then the mafia know who each other are while us townies are left in the dark about everyone else. So this is how I see it: either those who have jumped on Jono have a point about him and he really is being vague to not reveal too much about himself and make everyone suspicious, or, those who have jumped on Jono and voted for him are mafia who have decided to jump on someone and are using his inactivity as an excuse. I've revealed more than at least half the other people here by making my character known.
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 22, 2012 9:31:09 GMT -5
i don't trust either of you guys right now i'm watching both of you
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 22, 2012 9:41:21 GMT -5
If he can do that, then I'll unvote for him. I have to admit, it is a tad strange that so many people jumped on him quickly and if what Street Spartan said is true, then the mafia know who each other are while us townies are left in the dark about everyone else. So this is how I see it: either those who have jumped on Jono have a point about him and he really is being vague to not reveal too much about himself and make everyone suspicious, or, those who have jumped on Jono and voted for him are mafia who have decided to jump on someone and are using his inactivity as an excuse. I've revealed more than at least half the other people here by making my character known. So you are Vegeta?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 22, 2012 9:44:30 GMT -5
Indeed, plus if Produce and I were both Mafia why would we pile on together now? It would be more prudent to wait for momentum to build up and then swoop in with our votes amongst it. Would be kind of ballsy on our part to be the first to strike. It could be a strategy of having 2 pile on now to make it a tad less suspicious than if everyone piled on. Later on, if it works, it could be more.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Dec 22, 2012 11:14:55 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 22, 2012 11:26:37 GMT -5
I would think that mafia members would try to stay as low-key as possible on Day 1 and not do stuff like hopping on voting bandwagons. Why bother exposing yourself this early in the game?
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 22, 2012 12:26:06 GMT -5
Okay, some observations. 1) Yes, mafia know who other mafia members are. That's been pretty much established through all the other games. 2) Mafia games are all about trust and deciphering actions. It sometimes get heated... but it hasn't yet. If you think this is someone "flipping their shit", well, I'll just say stay tuned. 3) Making the first vote is always a dangerous route to go, because you make yourself a target. Yami, I think you're looking way too much into this early stuff if you're already pegging either Producerman or Jono as mafia. It's cool that you're thinking and trying to examine actions, but both of them have pretty simple town explanations as well. Producerman- Trying to get the ball rolling to ensure we get a lynch this day phase. Since we all agreed inactivity is the way to go, he went for an inactive and the only one who possibly character claimed. Jono- Not saying much because there isn't much to say at this time. Not the best excuse, but that's not exactly out of the ordinary when it comes to Jono's playing style (as both town or mafia). 4) There is no massive jump on Jono, its only three votes. I can pretty much assure you that not all three are mafia (I mean, you never know, one of them could be) but it'd be very silly for three mafia to all jump on the vote one after the other.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 22, 2012 12:30:23 GMT -5
Indeed, plus if Produce and I were both Mafia why would we pile on together now? It would be more prudent to wait for momentum to build up and then swoop in with our votes amongst it. Would be kind of ballsy on our part to be the first to strike. Not if you're experienced enough to blend in perfectly with the town. Do that, and you can get away with pretty much anything. I've never even considered you a candidate until now, as I just realized you've been defending ones who are under suspicion. Townies don't defend other townies because they don't who they are, unlike scum. If he can do that, then I'll unvote for him. I have to admit, it is a tad strange that so many people jumped on him quickly and if what Street Spartan said is true, then the mafia know who each other are while us townies are left in the dark about everyone else. So this is how I see it: either those who have jumped on Jono have a point about him and he really is being vague to not reveal too much about himself and make everyone suspicious, or, those who have jumped on Jono and voted for him are mafia who have decided to jump on someone and are using his inactivity as an excuse. I've revealed more than at least half the other people here by making my character known. That doesn't mean anything though, as Brad has built this game to where ANY character can be bad. Once again, you're being very vague with your answers, and putting little effort into defending yourself. It's not helping your chances.
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Post by Waffel113 on Dec 22, 2012 12:35:27 GMT -5
From what I observed in True Blood Mafia, Jono tends to be a rather... dramatic player who never lets off on a point once he gets there, even if everyone thinks he's wrong. I'll give him credit for that. And as it turned out, he was right, which has to say something for his intuition.
While I don't like character claiming, what good does it really do anyway? I've cited WWE Superstars Mafia as an example of this, but it bears repeating. Just because someone is a bad guy in the canon (Vegeta), it doesn't mean they're automatically mafia in the game (Michael Cole and Vickie Guerrero anyone?)
The point is, we can't make preconceptions based on who a character is yet. As I said, we'll probably need a night phase to make some real headway in our investigations. I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue any suspicions we have today, but Day One is practically always a massive crapshoot.
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 22, 2012 12:38:10 GMT -5
From what I observed in True Blood Mafia, Jono tends to be a rather... dramatic player who never lets off on a point once he gets there, even if everyone thinks he's wrong. I'll give him credit for that. And as it turned out, he was right, which has to say something for his intuition. While I don't like character claiming, what good does it really do anyway? I've cited WWE Superstars Mafia as an example of this, but it bears repeating. Just because someone is a bad guy in the canon (Vegeta), it doesn't mean they're automatically mafia in the game (Michael Cole and Vickie Guerrero anyone?) The point is, we can't make preconceptions based on who a character is yet. As I said, we'll probably need a night phase to make some real headway in our investigations. I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue any suspicions we have today, but Day One is practically always a massive crapshoot. yeah like john cena when he was apart of the mafia
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 22, 2012 12:44:27 GMT -5
From what I observed in True Blood Mafia, Jono tends to be a rather... dramatic player who never lets off on a point once he gets there, even if everyone thinks he's wrong. I'll give him credit for that. And as it turned out, he was right, which has to say something for his intuition. While I don't like character claiming, what good does it really do anyway? I've cited WWE Superstars Mafia as an example of this, but it bears repeating. Just because someone is a bad guy in the canon (Vegeta), it doesn't mean they're automatically mafia in the game (Michael Cole and Vickie Guerrero anyone?) The point is, we can't make preconceptions based on who a character is yet. As I said, we'll probably need a night phase to make some real headway in our investigations. I'm not saying we shouldn't pursue any suspicions we have today, but Day One is practically always a massive crapshoot. yeah like john cena when he was apart of the mafia Meanwhile, Vickie was Town. Therefore, it's very difficult to say who's Town and who's Mafia just by going by character.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 22, 2012 12:49:02 GMT -5
Okay, some observations. 1) Yes, mafia know who other mafia members are. That's been pretty much established through all the other games. 2) Mafia games are all about trust and deciphering actions. It sometimes get heated... but it hasn't yet. If you think this is someone "flipping their s***", well, I'll just say stay tuned. 3) Making the first vote is always a dangerous route to go, because you make yourself a target. Yami, I think you're looking way too much into this early stuff if you're already pegging either Producerman or Jono as mafia. It's cool that you're thinking and trying to examine actions, but both of them have pretty simple town explanations as well. Producerman- Trying to get the ball rolling to ensure we get a lynch this day phase. Since we all agreed inactivity is the way to go, he went for an inactive and the only one who possibly character claimed. Jono- Not saying much because there isn't much to say at this time. Not the best excuse, but that's not exactly out of the ordinary when it comes to Jono's playing style (as both town or mafia). Like you said, these games are all about deciphering actions, so I'm only laying down what I see. I don't think it's "too early", the earlier we can detect potential scum, the better chances the town has on survival. I've already acknowledged the other side of the coin, with both Jono and Produceman being potential townies. I'm not flat out saying either or both are scum, otherwise I would have made my vote. It's why I'm using as much time before the deadline to determine, to give both Jono and Produceman (more-so Jono) a chance to convince me that they are, in fact, townies, and not scum. I can pretty much assure you that not all three are mafia (I mean, you never know, one of them could be) How so? Is there something you know that we don't?
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Post by Yami Daimao on Dec 22, 2012 12:59:22 GMT -5
I'm just giving others some ground to go by for Day 1. Believe me, I can see how Day 1 is difficult, but it's also not an excuse to blindly vote. I'd much rather take a gamble on a vote with as much evidence as I can gather, and be wrong, than vote on whim because "well, we can't think of anyone else now, it'll be much clearer after this".
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Dec 22, 2012 13:03:00 GMT -5
Since another page has started since the last voting update
Voting Jonathan Michaels : Vindicated (3): Produceman, Mr Z Natural, Artificial Human
Non-Voting MasonK565 Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz Jonathan Michaels : Vindicated Legend Double H! Spiked Mohican Jazzman CageKing is a SnorPuff Classy Lady "Krispy Kreme" Magiconz Knailsic is Low Street Spartan Connor Mackenzie Waffel113 vs. The World Ralph Numbers RKTaker J Yami Redgrave SnS 3.0!!
There are 21 of you 11 votes are needed for a lynch.
Deadline is December 23, 2012 at 10 PM EST
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