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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 9, 2012 23:16:30 GMT -5
Ok so Queen Mab apparently thinks I'm Mafia. I don't know why she would think that. I feel i've explained myself and my reasons for voting already. As far as her questions go Produceman: Are you a good at playing mafia games? Should I keep my expectations high? Why'd you kill Becky? I haven't played a Mafia game in a few years but i would consider myself to be about average. I try to be reasonable and logical when playing this game and hunting scum. I am prone to making mistakes and will admit to them freely. However, your charge that I am scum and killed Becky is misguided and I an still waiting to hear exactly WHY you think I'm Mafia. I think the majority of scum are part of the bandwagon on cageking. However, if we play the odds i think the smart move is going after one of the non voters. I was shocked at how fast cage king got lynched and feel that, out of those that jumped on it, Mr. jonathanatural is most likely to be scum based on a hunch that he knew full well how many votes king had and jumped at the chance to lynch. Just my best educated guess
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 9, 2012 23:29:17 GMT -5
Actually I can remember at least one game where someone unvoted before the hammer was officially dropped (The person running the game posting they had officially been lynched) and the phase continued on. I'm sure somebody can back me up on that.
It's not like there isn't precedent for it. And think about it: if I were Mafia why would I be so quick to jump on the bandwagon like that? Furthermore why would I purposely wait to be the deciding vote? Wouldn't that be incredibly stupid for a scummy player to do? It's basically like they are outright saying they should be placed under scrutiny.
Not only that, but if I were scum why would I even bother unvoting? If I'm scum then I'm thinking that I should get rid of whoever I can that's not part of my brethren.
Yes, I was the deciding vote. I won't deny that. But personally I feel that alone should not be reason enough to villify me. If that is all the evidence you have then I don't see that as enough to paint someone as scum.
People make mistakes; everyone who has played these games alongside me knows that I am prone to them. It's hard to avoid when you can't alter your posts in anyway after posting them. Not to mention I am an impulsive kind of fellow.
I see your logic and I don't blame you for being suspicious, but on the other hand I don't agree with it.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Oct 9, 2012 23:35:35 GMT -5
B Natural: I get what you're trying to say, but the mafia could definitely use a tactic like that. Hammer vote to ensure no one unvotes and guarantee town loses a member, and then try to play it off like an accident to avoid the heat. Alright, I understand why you think Lodirulz is more likely than Double H. 1.) My question was actually more about asking if you're leaning most toward Lodirulz out of all players and if so why? Anyone else strike you as scummy? Hmm. Out of all players, he'd probably be closer to the top of my list, but thats mostly because of all the pressure we've put on him. I agree with Brad that the Old Jono/B Natural votes at the end to cause the lynch were certainly eye raising. And its hard to tell when someone genuinely doesn't realize they're the hammer vote, or if they knew fully well what they did. Basically, the same thing I mentioned up there to B Natural. Cool, so you think it's smarter to look into the voters right now. So let's take a look. 2.) What are your thoughts there? I feel like I'm going to be repeating myself a lot, but thats not really your fault, since you didn't know what I was thinking. I think the real question to be asking the voters is "Did you vote for Cageking because you felt he was mafia?" or was it because we were already starting to get rolling with it. When I first said I'd place my vote at 7, I mentioned that I doubted that it would be much more than a symbolic vote, but mere hours later, we had the guy strung up. I have to believe mafia joined in on that bandwagon, but I also think some townies saw a vote was climbing up and didn't want to be viewed as a non voter, so they rushed to judgement. As for particular posters, right now its Jono and B Natural... but I also want to hear from others, specifically Mason/Vadertime. 3.) What side do you think Bayside's Scum are more likely to be after the 1st day-phase lynch - Voters or non-voters? Playing the odds, most likely there were more mafia voting than not voting. I think 3 is a safe number to predict for the mafia, and I'd have to guess that AT LEAST 2 of them joined in on the Cageking vote. I understand going for the smaller group, because we're easier to weed out, but I don't think the people who did vote should get off scot free of investigation, so I'm glad everyone is getting questioned finally. 4.) What do you think about yesterday's bandwagon on Cageking? It formed way too fast, and it costed us a town member. Thats never a good thing, but worse in a small game like this. But we got some real info to work with, much more than we usually have by day phase two, and that could really be the difference between town winning and losing. So this may sound cold, but Cageking may have helped us more in death than he could've in life.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 9, 2012 23:45:12 GMT -5
See it lime this 1/3 is the mafia to town in the list of no voters
2/6 is the one for the voters list.What 2/6 is?1/3. So it is basically the same,in a mathematical way
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 10, 2012 0:03:19 GMT -5
I think I've been in all the Mafia Games since WWE mafia and I don't recall that happening.
I know in one game the vote was cast to lynch someone then the hammer vote was casted and someone unvoted after the hammer vote had already happen and it was to late actually I think that might of happened in two mafia games but once the hammer vote happens I've never known the game to continue even if someone tried to unvote after the final vote was cast.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 10, 2012 1:05:07 GMT -5
See it lime this 1/3 is the mafia to town in the list of no voters 2/6 is the one for the voters list.What 2/6 is?1/3. So it is basically the same,in a mathematical way I totally missed that. Thank you for bringing that up. On that note I'm going to Unvote
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 10, 2012 2:36:03 GMT -5
Oops, sorry for not posting this in the earlier post on the questions list, but can you all answer this too if you haven't already? @ Everyone: What are your thoughts on Produceman so far? Overall? I will still say why I thought Produceman is scum, but there is someone else gradually rising on my scum-radar, from my other three potential suspects: Actually I can remember at least one game where someone unvoted before the hammer was officially dropped (The person running the game posting they had officially been lynched) and the phase continued on. I'm sure somebody can back me up on that. It's not like there isn't precedent for it. And think about it: if I were Mafia why would I be so quick to jump on the bandwagon like that? Furthermore why would I purposely wait to be the deciding vote? Wouldn't that be incredibly stupid for a scummy player to do? It's basically like they are outright saying they should be placed under scrutiny. Not only that, but if I were scum why would I even bother unvoting? If I'm scum then I'm thinking that I should get rid of whoever I can that's not part of my brethren. Yes, I was the deciding vote. I won't deny that. But personally I feel that alone should not be reason enough to villify me. If that is all the evidence you have then I don't see that as enough to paint someone as scum. People make mistakes; everyone who has played these games alongside me knows that I am prone to them. It's hard to avoid when you can't alter your posts in anyway after posting them. Not to mention I am an impulsive kind of fellow. I see your logic and I don't blame you for being suspicious, but on the other hand I don't agree with it. Hi: Wine in Front of Me (WIFOM). This was my post before I saw Mr. G Natural's latest post (Could you answer the questions anyway, though?): {Spoiler} 2) I still think there are mafia on both sides and just because someone didn't vote to lynch a townie doesn't mean they are town. 3) I thought achieving a lynch was very important during the first day phase I admit I jumped the gun a little but I didn't think the last few would of been so quick to jump on the lynch who were the last two to vote Cageking? Jonathan Michaels & Inspector B, even though B tried to change his vote I think he knows the rules by now that after the hammer vote is cast changing the vote will not stop the lynch. Just because Double H & Jono was going at it doesn't mean both are not in the mafia I seem to recall the last game me and Double H had a similar idea. Yeah I know and a lynch was important. Wasn't saying that not lynching a townie, immediately made people town. I thought I mentioned this already about it being the way people voted and their timing. I wasn't saying that Double H & Jono couldn't both be mafia because they were butting heads, it does happen as you mentioned, but to have that as the one reason you're suspecting people, is just not enough. Town/Town, Town/Scum, Scum/Scum can all argue as well. I think of the three choices he seems the most likely out of them all, but no, I think it's more likely someone who voted for Cage is scum. - Who would you lean toward as mafia from the list of voters? I feel bad about jumping the gun on it, but at the same as you said it was far from the worst move we could have made. If nothing else it gave us some information as to who might be the scummiest amongst our group. And to be fair Cage wasn't being very helpful early on from what I recall. He never showed to defend himself despite being given more then enough time to do so. In fact he didn't contribute anything up to that point aside from a few joke posts. I'm not saying Cage was the right choice--- especially considering that he flipped as town--- but if we were going to lynch someone yesterday then we could've done alot worse. If nothing else it'll help lead us in the right direction if we're lucky. That's right, the mislynch of cageking can still help provide us info in the long run, I agree. The thing that gets me is that you were so entirely against lynching on day one and voting an inactive (like CageKing) even going so far as to say you wouldn't go along with one as seen by posts you made on this page. Then when the wagon of CK votes started going, you went with it anyway, in a non-committed way as if to hold a middle ground to keep safe no matter what the result. Basically, what I was talking about with how people voted and their timing for the votes on the bandwagon is pretty much what makes you suspicious. - What do you think about Kami/Brad voting for you Mr. G? --------------------- Next now: I'll talk about what sprung up to me about Produceman. He and Mr. G are the highest on my suspicions list at the moment. I don't think they are both in cahoots, but I think one of them is mafia. Produceman gained my attention when he kept stating that he voted Cageking not because he wanted to lynch him, but to apply pressure in order to get CK to participate and hear his thoughts. That I agree with and for a while I believed Produceman to be helpful and good player. Then he made this post detailing his reason: I voted for Cage King to put some pressure on him to participate. I stated that when I cast my vote on him. I figured with 2 votes on him, he'd come back, think "what the hell," and plead his case, which is what I wanted. If that was what he wanted, for CK to give his two cents and plead his case, then why didn't Produceman do anything to stop folks from adding anymore votes to CK once the bandwagon got moving and a quick-lynch started to look imminent when we arrived at L-2? Check Pg.12 to see that he was clearly around to do something about, but didn't do a thing. In fact he looked excited about the lynch, which was contradicting to his own reasons for the vote.If he was town and what he said was really his reasons to vote, he could have told folks to ease off on the votes toward Cageking until CK arrived to actually respond to us, or maybe even unvoted to keep the town from going to a quick lynch. That could have gave some time for CK AND Other Players to weigh in on that wagon. That's what I would have done if I were around. The fact that Produceman left his vote exactly where it was, in the midst of a budding quick-lynch, despite his claimed reasons of wanting to give CK and others time to give their thoughts/discuss more, is down-right suspicious. The easy play for scum here, was to sit his vote exactly where it was and hope that some 'hapless townies' continue to pile votes and eventually hammer the wagon. Here's the "hilarious" part: After happily proclaiming a lynch the page before, Produceman suddenly starts saying how 'concerned he was about it, which raised my eyebrow due to the contrast of his earlier response, as if he knew that CK was flipping town, then follows it up by pointing at Mr. G and Jonathan Michaels (which I actually agree with). He again mentions he did it for pressure (but still didn't try to stop a lynch). Next Day #2: Produceman follows it up well, where I still thought he was townie by questioning some people (Jono, Mr. G) in his first post here: Crap. That was a horrible night. As far as day two suspects, I would like to hear from Kami, Jonathan Michaels, and Mr. B as to why they suddenly threw votes on Cageking when he got to halfway to being lynched. Also, Mason, why place a third vote on Cageking when he already had two pressure votes from myself and Queen Mab? I found it really odd how it ended up being incredibly brief as he immediately turned attention toward the non-voters instead of the people he pointed for analysis, one post later and pretty much ignoring the voting crowd. Not to mention he questioned some people, like Kami and Mason about their sudden votes, only after the fact, when he had time to do so before the lynch happened. ---------------------------------- That's why I voted Produceman yesterday. He seems like a good player so these things really stood out to me. Though Mr. G Natural is looking very suspicious lately, due to his inconsistency, non-committal and when/how he voted then tried to unvote. It's between the two of them, in my opinion. What do you think gang?
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 10, 2012 9:00:50 GMT -5
I can see why my post about him being lynched could be construed as scummy but to be honest it was more shock that cage king was lynched so quickly.
As previously stated, the only reason I decided to go after the non viewers
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 10, 2012 9:03:49 GMT -5
EBWOP: accidentally hit submit too early.
I can see why my post about him being lynched could be construed as scummy but to be honest it was more shock that cage king was lynched so quickly.
As previously stated, the only reason I decided to go after the non voters because I felt that mathematically that was our best choice at finding scum.
I am 100% town and am willing to do whatever it takes to prove it.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 10, 2012 12:07:42 GMT -5
My net is down.
Will be back asap.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 10, 2012 14:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 10, 2012 16:20:36 GMT -5
I thought I unvoted. In that case
Unvote
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 10, 2012 21:21:02 GMT -5
Where the heck is everybody? We have one day left. Shorter for me, as my timezone is farther behind the host's so I pretty much only have today online. I'm guessing I threw the mafia's plan for an easy lynch of a non-voter out the window and now the new tactic is waiting it out for a No Lynch?
I won't allow it. We'll have to come to a consensus, somehow.
UTR folks:
LodiRulz - Where are you? Are you going to help us out at all? I thought the inactive was gone. Non-voting and barely participating is starting to become a pattern for you in these mafia games, and I don't like it. Please help us out here. Who do you suspect as Scum and why? Who would u vote?
MasonK - Sorry for your bad weekend, hope all is well. Anything new to add to the day's discussion? Who will you vote? We have one day left.
Jonathan Michaels - Sorry about your internet connection, hope you get back soon. Is there anyone else aside from HH that you might suspect as mafia?
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For fun, I'll name the two other people I'm suspicious of while I still have the chance:
FoS - Kami: The Master of Brad and Jonathan Michaels:
Along with Mr. G Natural, these two had the most suspicious votes on CK's bandwagon. Jonathan Michaels mentioned he'd pick to vote CK, but waited for the bandwagon to form first, to jump on and quick vote. His vote barely added anything, except a number to the lynch. If the only thing players have to say in a post is a vote then we can't get nearly as much info out of it; it makes it easier for scum to hop on a bandwagon. That's why votes and lynches should come with justification.
Did Brad/Kami really feel that Ck was suspicious enough to vote? He's similar to Jonathan in that he barely had justification with his vote. It was basically "Yeah, what everyone else said! *Votes*." I don't like that at all as it gives him an excuse to hide because "everyone else was doing it." As I said before, scum like to blend in with everyone else. Until I questioned him, Brad's Day 2 play was basically participating enough not to look like he was lurking and only agreeing what everyone else said, trying to look helpful. Basically he was going with the flow, as we've found out and active lurking.
I'll vote for any one of these 4 today: Produceman, Kami: Master of Brad, Jonathan Michaels Prime, or "Lil" Mr. G Natural.
Seems like all of Jonathan Michaels, Produceman and Kami are against "Lil" Mr. G Natural, so a vote somewhere here might prove most fruitful.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 10, 2012 21:41:27 GMT -5
I do wish more people would get into the discussion we only have 1 day before the deadline
I'll say Queen Mab your wrong about me but you maybe onto something with Jonathan Michaels, Produceman and Mr. B (now "Lil" Mr. G Natural)
I don't know what is up with Lodi being inactive I might can understand MasonK for having a bad weekend can cause you to not participate much he's been a very good player in the past so hopefully he can get into the game and participate more.
I hope Jonathan Michaels gets his Internet back I know that can be a big pain to lose your internet for awhile I lost my Internet for about an hour or two the other day and I know that's a bad comparison but that hour with out the net drove me crazy I couldn't imagine being with out the Internet for a long time.
I would like to see us come together and pull off another lynch hopefully a lynch of a mafia member but if we lynch another townie hopefully it would be enough information to get rid of a mafia even if I end up getting lynched and flip town I hope you all could use the information about my lynch to catch a mafia scum.
Every game I've been in I've always hoped the day would end in a lynch no matter if I was town or mafia because a lot of information can be gathered based on the lynch.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 10, 2012 21:48:34 GMT -5
Sorry about that, Mab. I meant to post this earlier, but something came up. Thankfully I saved it for later.
Right now I think I would lean towards Produceman as the most suspicious in that group. Jono is another possibility, but he's not giving me as strong of a vibe. And as for a third... I would go with Kami. He's been alot more quiet than he usually is in these games. It makes me wonder why that is.
Well I would actually chalk that up to you convincing me otherwise. You were the one who said that it would be better if we went for someone, even an inactive. When I voted I didn't realize that momentum would build so quickly.
I'll admit that it may seem kind of odd, but it's not like I didn't have a reason for changing my stance; I didn't simply do so out of the blue. And I am still relatively inexperienced in these games so I thought it would be best to listen to the more experienced players out there such as yourself.
I don't blame him, I suppose. Given the evidence he has justification for it. But at the same time I can't help but wonder why he was so quick to change his mind.
He did admit himself that his vote for Double H was spur of the moment. I find it a bit concerning that he's so willing to throw around his votes willy-nilly like that. But this early on I guess I wouldn't consider that a move worth indicting him over.
I'm not too sure what to about him honestly. On the one hand he's giving me a few vibes and I did say he was the person I most suspected. But at the same time there's that small part of me whose unsure if he's the one we want.
It is definitely possible that the Mafia is looking on holding out for a no lynch. Perhaps that could be do to the fact that we're onto them somewhere?
I will be throwing down my vote tomorrow, rest assured. As for who that will be for... I'm still not certain. Right now there are four people with votes against them, myself included. I won't be throwing myself to the gallows, obviously, so that leaves us three people to consider.
I have a good idea of who I'm going to vote for, but I'm going to sleep on it till tomorrow. I don't want to jump the gun like last time so I'm going to be much more careful with my vote for as long as I have it.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 10, 2012 21:53:14 GMT -5
I'm still wary of lil G Natural (as an aside, name changes make it hard to keep track of ppl) for his hammer vote but Jonathan Michaels' lack of proper reasoning for the vote on cage king other than "if I have to I'll vote for cage king" then no decent participation or insight this game day makes me feel you're scum. I'm not voting for you yet because I want to hear your defense. Hopefully you get your internet back soon. For now, FoS: Jonathan Michaels.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 10, 2012 22:14:38 GMT -5
Well,as the deadlingis approaching,i will go with my top suspect
Vote:JoNo
I hope i'm right about this.His behavior was suspicious overral.Changing votes while explaning nothing,voting for cageking for no reason at all.And i gave him a big chance to explain himself and his actions,and it still smells like mafia for me.No doubt if he turns out town,i'm next in line for lynch.But i have a good feeling he is scum.
I also am suspicious how he said LoDi was his top choice ,and me his second choice.And after that he suddenly believes Lodi is 100% percent town with no doubt.His vote against me was also too quick and out of nowhere,just in the moment people were questioning me,as if trying to blend.
Sure he has no internet right now,but he had his chance,and i won't wait until after the deadline.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 10, 2012 22:53:57 GMT -5
Votes:
Inspector B (1): Kami Produceman (1): Queen Mab Double H (1): Jonathan Michaels Jonathan Michaels (1): Double H
Not Voting (5):
2. Produceman 4. lodirulz 5. MasonK565 7. Inspector B 8. Street Spartan
With 9 of you, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is: Thursday, October 11th at 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
You have less than 24 hours left!
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 10, 2012 22:57:44 GMT -5
First off sorry for any inconveniencing my name change had on people. I felt the Jonathan thing had run it's course though and I didn't want to keep it forever. I edited it to make it a little easier to identify me, at least.
As for Jono he is on my list of suspicion, but like the others I too am going to wait to see if he shows up to defend himself or not. We already ousted one guy without giving him that chance thus I'm going to make sure at least on my part it doesn't happen again.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Oct 10, 2012 23:32:58 GMT -5
So I'm a bit confused, Mab. Who do you think we should be going for?
Jono, Kami, or B Natural?
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