TOO SWEET
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 20:55:00 GMT -5
Glad to have you back, Latino. If you're on our side, I know you can be really helpful for town.
And Berg... I don't think you're crazy. And I'm not going to fight you on your explanation. The Gus/Jono think seems really interesting to me.
It bugged me, because it was a really weird conversation for two townies to have. It felt like Gus was mafia, and when he saw we were turning against Jono, he wanted to keep Jono safe too. But Jonathan Michaels didn't/doesn't want there to be any tie between the two of them. And that led to the awkward "You're the princess and I know it/I'm just a normal townie" fight.
And yeah, after this last day phase, there is no way mafia will kill off Gus. But I have no clue why they would've spared Jono in that instance. If someone was painted as town princess, I don't get why they wouldn't have been targeted for a night kill.
So basically... yeah, I'm starting to buy into your theory Berg, and if it plays out right, then we can paint both Gus and Jono as mafia and work from there. And given that we still have no one else standing out at all, I think we may have had some evidence that we may have ignored.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 20:56:45 GMT -5
EBWOP: Just read Gus' post.
Gus, out of curiousity, (in your words) What is going on between you and Jono?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Sept 20, 2012 21:07:04 GMT -5
EBWOP: Just read Gus' post. Gus, out of curiousity, (in your words) What is going on between you and Jono? Nothing. Based on what Lodi suggested in one of his posts, I had assumed he figured Jono as the Princess. Judgin from Jono's actions to start the Day Phase, I assumed wrong. For the record, Pegasus' death takes him off the list, and I'm inclined to drop SNS as well. Bergman is firmly on it now, and I'm growing unhappily suspicious of Jono.
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Post by Jazzman on Sept 20, 2012 21:11:57 GMT -5
Oh, btw maybe I should mention this... there is someone in the game right now who know's I'm 100% town... he knows I know who it is, so if he decides to let me hang out here on a ledge I'm going to be throwing a ton of shit in his direction.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 21:15:26 GMT -5
EBWOP: Just read Gus' post. Gus, out of curiousity, (in your words) What is going on between you and Jono? Nothing. Based on what Lodi suggested in one of his posts, I had assumed he figured Jono as the Princess. Judgin from Jono's actions to start the Day Phase, I assumed wrong. For the record, Pegasus' death takes him off the list, and I'm inclined to drop SNS as well. Bergman is firmly on it now, and I'm growing unhappily suspicious of Jono. Alright, since you're actually removing and moving around with your list a bit... can you look back over this last couple of day phases and read what we were saying about your original list. Saying that it wasn't logical/reasonable. Because from your original list of 6, 3 of them have already been dropped from it by you. And I'm happy about that, because you're using new evidence to your advantage. And if you work with everyone else, then you're still a very strong, very helpful player. So, I'd like each of us to do a little bit of homework, before we break for pie. You, like I said, read over the responses to your original list. See if anyone quickly agreed with you, or spurred you on. And see who looked at it logically. And I'm going to look back and find out every person who has accused you of being mafia since Latino's death. I'm guaranteed that list will include me, but its a strong area for us to look into and possibly find some mafia.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 21:17:02 GMT -5
EBWOP: Oh, btw maybe I should mention this... there is someone in the game right now who know's I'm 100% town... he knows I know who it is, so if he decides to let me hang out here on a ledge I'm going to be throwing a ton of s*** in his direction. And just because you accused Gus, doesn't make you mafia. It was a brave thing to do, and it helped spur some activity again. I don't know whether you're right or wrong, town or mafia, but I'm just glad to have you talking and participating again.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Sept 20, 2012 21:25:22 GMT -5
Where I no longer believe that Jono is Princess, that takes you off the list as well, Spartan.
My Mafia list now contains three that I an confident are Mafia:
Evil M ritt (possibly Godfather?) Bergman (possibly Godfather?)
Jono has me extremely suspicious now. There is one other person I suspect, but I want to be a bit more sure of him before he joins my list.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 21:26:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing the whole previous day phase used up a lot of energy, what with the intense back and forth discussion. I'm remaining with Hawkeye as my vote currently. Sharpshooter was on my list last time so yeah that's probably a safe bet. I honestly am scrambling here to really pick someone that I can safely say is Mafia or help encourage the town to lynch. My list from the previous post remains as is. Perhaps someone can decode the rest of Pegasus list? Also, before I do what I just said I would: Dude read over the thread, because we've already decoded it and explained it. The only thing we haven't mentioned was his last post, which was simply a BAH POST. My regret is that my life has led up to these things and these things only-- We have a yes to Night of the Living Dead. Also a yes to Liger's Shotei Palm Thrusts. Throw in another confirmation about Nathaniel Hawthorne. Yes to Santa's helpers. I'll need a dose of Thera-Flu please. I need a yes to Alexandra York. Finally, a big yes to Carol of the Bells.
Night of the Living Dead=Horror= Breakdance Liger's Shotei Palm Thrusts=Wrestling= Angel Nathaniel Hawthorne.=Writers= Hairy Santa's helpers=Elves= Pretty Thera-Flu=Medicine= Overzealous Alexandra York=Wrestling Valets= Sensational Carol of the Bells=Christmas Music= Train
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Post by Jazzman on Sept 20, 2012 21:31:55 GMT -5
Where I no longer believe that Jono is Princess, that takes you off the list as well, Spartan. My Mafia list now contains three that I an confident are Mafia: Evil M ritt (possibly Godfather?) Bergman (possibly Godfather?) Jono has me extremely suspicious now. There is one other person I suspect, but I want to be a bit more sure of him before he joins my list. Gus, if you want to go after me, that's fine. Just realize that you aren't playing with any kind of logic at all and any attempt by you to make that claim has already been swiftly beaten down.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Sept 20, 2012 22:16:38 GMT -5
Using this handy dandy list that was given by a really helpful player: Speaking of Day 3 developments (for our visual learners) SUSPECT LISTannnd DEFENDED PLAYERS LIST and here is everything I've found decently noteworthy since then, regarding connections: Joker went after Jono, causing Gus to step in on Jono's behalf. Notorious strongly defended Joker, using identity. {Spoiler} The only thing I think I can throw my two cents in on at this point is Joker showing up on a few lists of potential Mafia. It would be an absolute shocker to me if he turned up as Mafia. His character is one of the genuinely good guys in the True Blood world, and I'm having a hard time coming up with any kind of motive for why he'd be Mafia.
There's always that chance, but I see it being incredibly slim in this case. B Natural feels Gus might be mafia. {Spoiler} I dunno about Gus right now. He keeps claiming he has a role, but supposedly won't tell us what it is. He also says he has info about Jono, but doesn't want to reveal that either. And he's still lashing out at people. One second I think he's town; next I think he's mafia; then town again; then mafia. He's playing a very strange game here. I don't really know what to make of it to be honest. Could there perhaps be a possibility that Gus is bluffing about Jono and his supposed power role? Remember that we've already lost quite a few roles thus far which leads me to believe that we don't have too many left in the game. I dunno, Gus. I want to make sure we aren't having the proverbial wool pulled over our eyes right now. I defended you earlier in the game, but right now you're making it difficult for me to continue to do so. Is there anything you can tell us that might alleviate our concerns right now? Notorious subtly suggests Gus may not be town: {Spoiler} I can't figure out this Gus situation. He's blowing an incredible amount of smoke regarding this Jono situation. Why is he so deadset on the fact that GINGER! would have a power role? Jono's not even claiming to have a power role! So why is Gus doing it for him?
This doesn't sit well with me at all. Ritt notes that he isn't giving us a free pass. (Personally, that seems reasonable to me, but I still feel it should be added to this): {Spoiler} I've given facts. No one's listened. And nobody has even tried to prove me wrong. It's been only "Well you're wrong and that's that." Just once, I'm asking you guys to at least TRY to consider that I'm right. Well I am pretty much ignoring your beliefs because you have KNOWN me to be mafia and are absolutely unwavering and it really feels very OMGUS like was said before. I know I am not mafia so whateever facts you have are wrong again as they were with your early Meat belief. I do NOT know you are not mafia and I won't give ANYONE a free pass nor do I expect one myself. There is no proving anyone wrong until a body shows up. Meats body showed up and you were wrong. When my body is found floating facedown you will be wrong again. You're swinging and missing. I think I'll place my bets with someone who hasn't gone off into their own tunnel vision. I admit I was wrong on what I thought the direction was going and have been trying to reevaluate and seeing what other people can shake out of this tree. Quick question though since I am appearing on a lot of lists, if I get lynched and when I flip town how will you go forward Gus? I will take the lynch if it refocuses the town. The game isn't Ritt vs. the world, it's town vs. mafia and right now town is amuck, my team is losing and if my death can somehow cause Gus to finally step back and actually look things over I think it might give us a better chance of winning then running around and accidentally killing a power role. Waffel votes for Gus. {Spoiler} Gus. Say Something about this thing that'll save the town! Until then, I have no choice.
VOTE: EMERALD WARRIOR: GUS RICHLEN Berg has his theory on Gus/Jono, with Gus being mafia, Jono being town, and having them be connected. {Spoiler} TO EVERY SINGLE PLAYER:
I would like to know your stance/read each on the following players: Ritt SNS Daime J Well, just got back from school, so let's break these down. Ritt: probably in my opinion the hardest of these guys to read. He hasn't done much yet to convince me one way or another. If you held a gun to my head though I'd say he's probably town SNS: My read on him is that he's town, but it's a light read at best. Again, he's seemingly stayed out of the eye of the town and contributed some. Wouldn't be shocked if he flipped the other way though. Daime: Probably breaking with conventional wisdom here, but he strikes me as scum. Why you may ask? Well, considering my opinion that Kami is mafia and that he and Daime were quite close and Daime a staunch supporter of him in the early stage, it would serve to reason that I would think that Daime is guilty by association. J: Very curious, I'm getting a slight scum read from him. It's a hunch and nothing more. It wouldn't suprise me if he goes the other way though. Now, onto the interesting case of Gus and Jono and what's really going on here. Now, let's say Gus is right (a shocking conclusion I know ) It isn't hard to figure out what role Jono would have if the mafia would win if we killed him. Quite simply for those of you who haven't figured it out, especially since Gus won't say it, I'll lay it out for you in an analogy from another mafia game we played. Jono is Cody Rhodes Good, now that's out there in the ether, let's marinate on this here issue. The only way that Gus could know this would be if he and Jono were linked. If Gus is correct in this idea, then by rule since a linked partnership must be Mafia/Town, Gus would then be mafia. So Gus, explain this theory I have. Either you ain't got a clue what's really going on, or you've screwed yourself over. Berg's theory garners my interest: {Spoiler} First off, thanks for clarifying Berg. Something like that makes Jono much more valuable to town... which is something we really could've used. Gus, nobody doubts that you're town. Nobody doubts that you're trying to help. Well... actually, Berg's theory kind of peaked my interest. I mean given that Gus has claimed he can roleblock, we know he isn't an investigator. How else could he have gotten his hands on that tasty pie of Jono info? (Geez, that sentence turned out much creepier than expected) I'm curious to hear how Gus knows Jono's role. Magiconz joins in with the backlash against Gus: {Spoiler} Gus, let me ask you another question. What kind of protective role to you have? You couldn't protect Latino from a night kill because our town doctor is already dead, and a roleblock wouldn't help you anyway. Stop trying to spin and answer a damn question. I ain't got time for this! Seriously man. Enough with the constant song and dance. Just cut to the chase. As Inspector B said, prove to us that you're right besides "this person went after me/disagreed with me." Jono accuses Gus of being mafia... and I still don't fully understand what happened here. {Spoiler} I'll do it now and then back to ignoring you. Re-read the explanation post. It's all there. I say "yes" or "look at" a particular thing, then you're supposed to consider it. I said "no" to everything else eventually. Yes to [whatever it was that was coded "j"-- I forgot and I'm on my phone and it's too big of a pain to go back and find it; do it yourself],one medicine, one queen, and finally one medicine again. It spelled out Jono in the code. If you still don't get it, forget it. I'm done with it. And excuse me if it sounds harsh, but Jono, you and Gus stick on each other like glue in any game I've been in, and because we've been on opposite ends in some random game from long ago, you've still never released your suspicions. All I can tell you is it's time to get over it. You've never once been right to suspect me of foul play. Ive nailed your jode in previous Mafia and Survivor games (games where you, sir, were the manipulator). You've been flat out wrong (along with Gus) so many times about me, it's time to get over the taste of crow. I just play the games. I like FAN Idol and such because there is no manipulation or backstabbing and I can genuinely appreciate everyone. Survivor and Mafia are dirty arse games. Don't play if you're going to carry over grudges to other threads and other games. That's all I know to tell you. These chips on you guys' shoulders is very noticeable and relatively annoying in the context of what we try to do in these dirty games. Just saying. I feel like Gus plays it to his advantage and goal and I actually dont mind it so much. But you come up with some good things to say one minute and the moment Pegasus gets onto something or does something you don't get or like, it's blinded blow-up from you. Sure, to an extent, Gus too, but i interpret his as more gameplay, which rules. Chill out dude. I like playing games with everyone. I never have a vendetta. Wow, that was weird. You completely missed the point of my statement. You posted a list of random things, but gave absolutely no hint as to what they meant or how to even begin solving it. Only later did you do the yes or no thing, my question is how was anybody supposed to figure out what it meant BEFORE you gave the yes and no answers. And now it's time to play my card. Gus, while correct in his analysis that I am town, got something VERY wrong. I have absolutely no power role. The idea WAS to convince the Mafia to lynch me thinking they'd be getting rid of a power role, only to find they merely wasted a vanilla townie. But, Gus then stated with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that I have a major power role. And frankly, I don't know what to make of it. We've been stating that Gus is a lock to be town, but this fact is simply too odd to ignore. I mean, if I was Mafia, I would have to be a certified moron to try and frame Gus right now, when everyone is declaring Gus to be the most trustworthy player in the game. What I am is a basic townie who has stumbled into a strange circumstance that has forced me to change my strategy. Gus kept saying he just KNEW I have a power role, and when I see everyone trying to convince him to tell what it is, I didn't know what to think. So here's what you have to consider. Either... A: I am scum stupidly trying to frame a "certified" town member, which still means Gus was either very wrong or being very dishonest. B: I am telling the truth right now, which raises the same questions about Gus's statements. C: Gus is absolutely correct about me and I am trying to confuse the Mafia about ehat's going on. I leave it to you to decide. And of course, Berg made the similar accusation on the last page, prompting a vote from Waffel, and I also started to go along with it. Judging by this full list: Evil M, SNS, Magiconz (once in spoilers, once before then), Ritt, B Natural, Notorious, Ritt, Waffel (voted twice for Gus), Berg's theory on Gus (two separate theories that attempt to paint Gus as mafia), Street Spartan (I've went along and wanted to hear more about the theory both times), Jono have all laid suspicions on Gus after Latino's death. The most notable in my eyes is Waffel, who has quickly voted twice for Gus, perhaps trying to start a movement. And here's something for anyone wanting a laugh at my expense. My post earlier this day phase: {Spoiler} I understand that, but you have to think... half of what you've done in the game has to be discounted because you were a different character. When you came back in, it's a clean slate, and what you've done as Hoyt's Mama hasn't been enough to disolve you of my suspicions. I mean.... your character did at one point attempt to kill Jessica, a vampire.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. I think you've earned that from me.
I'm going to be gone until Sunday night, so I need to post my official vote sometime today. I'll make that decision soon. Nah, I mean what I've done since returning. Which has still been working for town. Since this day phase is suddenly completely inactive, I want to throw some suspicions towards the more inactive people, hiding. This is all of our post counts: Gus-105 Street Spartan-77 Notorious-62 Evil M-58 SNS-51 Ritt-45 B Natural-45 Double H-41 Jonathan Michaels-41 Magiconz-35 Waffel113-34 Lodirulz-29 Joker-27 Sharpshooter-22 Bergman-16 Hawkeye-13 Spiked Mohican (Hayden)-3 So we really need to hear from the people lower on that list, because they are not benefitting town in the least. And Hayden has been completely useless this game phase for us. So Sharpshooter, Bergman, Hawkeye, we could really use your help. And Hayden, I'm really tempted to vote for you, because by being here and doing nothing, you're not only not helping town, but you're hurting us by making it easier for mafia to hide. The main person I threaten.... is the guy that I forgot I replaced last day phase. *FACEPALM* ...Sawyer, please update the first post to say I replaced Hayden to spare me any more chance to make a fool of myself.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 20, 2012 22:21:50 GMT -5
Not to worry, Spartan. In the first few days I accused a dead guy. You're not alone in your silly accusations.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 20, 2012 22:30:50 GMT -5
By no means do I approve of Gus' actions during this game...but I'm almost POSITIVE that he isn't mafia.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 21, 2012 3:26:36 GMT -5
I just want to make it perfectly clear where I stand.
VOTE: Gus.
It's simply the vibe I get!!!!!!!
On a side note, Gus, please be aware that this is only a game, there is no ill will harbored towards you personally.
We don't hate you or anything, just playing the game.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Sept 21, 2012 5:38:20 GMT -5
Thought i might takle Bergans opinion. Latino was an insane cop who investigated Gus, Gus came back not town therefore Gus is town. It's hardly difficult to follow that, Gus is 99% Town Don't care, vote stands. Initial reaction of Don't Care is hardly Town like, but I'm not going to use it as a way to decide which side your on. Second, this one might be a little more farfetched, but here we are, day 4. Gus basically said back on day 2 that he was shocked that he made it through night 1, and so on with each passing day. If he was that important, especially after announcing that he expected to die, why would the mafia not target his power role? 1. As we can't be certain of either Gus or Jono's role, this point is irrelevant, currently. Fourth, perhaps the most out there theory that I have but it's one that I think could be plausible. Yes, we know that Meat was an insane cop, but he never flat out said that he investigated Gus. He said throughout that he got scummy feelings from Gus, and that's why the vote was there. The theory that Gus was town didn't even come from Gus himself! It came from Brad to make a case that Gus was town and no-one ever thought to question it. 1. As Brad is dead and was shown to be town his theory holds weight. 2. ICLatino Meat was focused on Gus, he wasn't going to say he was a cop outright on the 2nd day phase as that would paint a great big target on his head (Cops tend to be more useful the longer they a survive ). So instead he tried to be more subtle about it. Now, you're probably thinking that I've lost it. If we can infer that Gus was investigated and came back guilty then he must be 100% town right? The answer to that is not exactly and let me state that case here. The Mafia Godfather, according to the mafia roles link set out in post #1, comes back as an innocent to all cops. Now, what would an innocent come back as to an insane cop? That's right class, he'd come back guilty, so the Mafia Godfather is the only character who comes back as with the correct alignment to the insane cop, through a weird loophole that can only be flustered by logic. So, I think that Gus has been using this false shield of innocence to wreck havok on the town and keep attention on himself, which after the claim of his 100% town standing, allowed the rest of the mafia to skate by and deflect the heat from the most guilty person of them all, Gus. So your vote is based off a 1 in 25 chance that the insane cop from the first night phase sucessfully picked out the Godfather to investigate ... seriously? So, here's the real question, what if I'm totally off-base here? What if I've lost it and am leading us in a wild goose chase? I'd still reckon that this here town ain't going to be any better going forward with Gus and his antics than we would be without him. If we eliminate his distracting behavior it still helps the town in the long run by allowing us to actually focus on the goal at hand, killing mafia, instead of the relentless infighting that keeping Gus around brings. Your opinion means it would be good for the town to lynch Gus because either he is the Godfather deduced from a series of very tenuous links or he is a fellow townie who has an akward style of play. Despite the fact that by the next day phase we would then be down another 2-3 town members if we lynch him aswell basically giving the game to the Mafia. The only thing I can gather from all of this is you Bergman are in fact Town. I'm not going to vote for you Bergman because there is no way a Mafia would paint such a large target on there own head. --- So My definitive latest Townie list is: Evil M, Gus, Bergman & Myself. So you guys want to join my lynch of Hawkeye?
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Sept 21, 2012 8:26:59 GMT -5
You know, guys. Latino is actually BACK in this game. We could ask him.
Or if that is somehow against the rules for someone to reveal what their previous character did, we could always see how he treats gus. He hasn't exactly gone after him again. That leads me to believe that latino 1.0 actually did investigate gus, and that gus's lynch attempt was fueled by the result of that investigation.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Sept 21, 2012 9:10:06 GMT -5
Hmm, well looks like I'll need to force replace Latino/Zack or modkill him now, since any possible info he had is supposed to be dead with his original incarnation. It's my mistake, sorry. I should've thought about it before I put him back into the game, to prevent that sort of meta play.
Though this role has already been taken by several different people and to replace again would further complicate player's reads on the slot.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 21, 2012 9:30:46 GMT -5
Yeh,the Town logic from Latino Meat makes way more sense than just a vibe,JoNo.I completely forgot he was a insane cop and he was the one thinking gus as mafia,danm,i made a big mistake,i had to go look back to confirm it.
Yeh Gus is definitaly a safe now for me nwo that i look all over.I'm up for voting Ritt or Hawkeye.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 21, 2012 10:48:56 GMT -5
I don't think i can reveal anything from my previous character.
If I need to be mod killed, I'd understand. Thanks for thinking about me !
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 21, 2012 11:32:41 GMT -5
So frustrated right now. I lost internet for over a day and while I am glad we have some discussion we are right back to the focus on Gus. While I am the one who started the theory that he could be Godfather, because I don't think anyone should get a freepass I don't think that longshot is a good gamble now. Maybe earlier in the game when town had more breathing room but we simply don't have that option right now.
As much as I think his OMGUS voting and wrong headed uncertainty is a deteriment I think focusing on him is a bad idea. I hve no problem with a Hawkeye vote but I do want to here a little more from Waffle. He seemed to like voting for gus using only other peoples theories giving him a good hide if/when the lynch came back town.
FOS: WAFFLE
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Sept 21, 2012 12:00:18 GMT -5
I don't think i can reveal anything from my previous character. If I need to be mod killed, I'd understand. Thanks for thinking about me ! No, it's okay. What's done is done, I don't want to possibly throw things off any further. You can still play. I trust that you won't bring up or hint on anything previously and hopefully everyone else doesn't discuss you with your previous role in mind. I'll just keep a very careful watch. I'll have the vote count up when I have time to skim the thread later tonight.
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