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Post by Cela on Nov 2, 2012 15:14:42 GMT -5
My friend and I agree that: - Episode I is the worst of the lot
- Episode II is just a straight up action movie
- Episode III is flawed but good
- Episode IV is bogged down by slow pacing
- Episode V is the best of the bunch
- Episode VI is just a bad movie (Ewoks? Really?)
Also, am I the only one who thinks the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar? I mean, he's only one character who took on the droid army with a minor influence. But the Ewoks took out a whole fleet of Stormtroopers using just a bunch of sticks and logs. It couldn't have been Wookies who should have taken them on now, could it? At least they have the equipment for the job (as was shown in Episode III). But I think we can all agree that no matter how bad the prequels are supposedly are, they will never be as bad as the Holiday Special. Ewoks kind of work because they were a guerilla force. And some of them got blown the hell up. Plus 6 had an incredibly emotional duel between Luke and Vader, and the frikkin emperor.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 2, 2012 15:36:21 GMT -5
I could never rate ROTJ below any of the prequels. The Luke/Vader lightsaber fight, the space battle at Endor, even the stuff with Jabba places it far above anything in TPM, AOTC, and ROTS.
I still don't get the love for Sith. The dialogue is still atrocious, Anakin's turn/subsequent killings feel abrupt, whatever intimidation with Palpatine is lost as he's completely turned into a cartoon character, and the battle with Kenobi/Skywalker gets boring.
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Post by dav on Nov 2, 2012 15:39:40 GMT -5
My friend and I agree that: - Episode I is the worst of the lot
- Episode II is just a straight up action movie
- Episode III is flawed but good
- Episode IV is bogged down by slow pacing
- Episode V is the best of the bunch
- Episode VI is just a bad movie (Ewoks? Really?)
Also, am I the only one who thinks the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar? I mean, he's only one character who took on the droid army with a minor influence. But the Ewoks took out a whole fleet of Stormtroopers using just a bunch of sticks and logs. It couldn't have been Wookies who should have taken them on now, could it? At least they have the equipment for the job (as was shown in Episode III). But I think we can all agree that no matter how bad the prequels are supposedly are, they will never be as bad as the Holiday Special. The Holiday Special had Bea Arthur as well as the Star Wars cast stoned off their gourd. It is therefore superior to anything else that carries the Star Wars name.
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 2, 2012 16:04:34 GMT -5
I think while there are other problems with them the single biggest turnoff for me was the screensaver aesthetic.
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Post by bob on Nov 2, 2012 16:12:05 GMT -5
I'd rank all the films:
1. A New Hope 2 Empire Strikes Back 3. Revenge of The Sith 4 Return of The Jedi 5 Phantom Menace 6 Attack of the Clones
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 2, 2012 18:06:53 GMT -5
I don't grasp putting Return of the Jedi below any of the prequels.
Jedi was certainly the most flawed of the original trilogy, there's very little denying that. However, as far as I'm concerned the first half of it, the Jabba storyline, is about as strong a start for a sci-fi action adventure as you'll get anywhere. Absolutely love it.
It goes off rails in some ways after that, but those flaws are covered up by the absolute climactic tension of the Death Star scenes between Luke, Vader, and Palpatine.
PLUS, because it could draw upon characters and relationships already established in the first two films, Jedi gets the benefit of the doubt in some of its flaws.
The prequels are too hollow, and none of them leave enough goodwill behind so that you'll grant a break or two to the next ones.
Again, you're telling the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, the heartbreak of him losing his love and betraying his best friend...but we have no reason to care about their relationships. At all. Obi-Wan and Anakin are great friends, "brothers", who's final battle is meant to be exceedingly sad? That's great, but we've gotten almost no screen time showing us how and why they got to be "brothers".
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 2, 2012 18:18:45 GMT -5
Reasons 1-23: The Acting of Hayden Christensen. He RUINED EVERYTHING that should've been awesome about Anakin's descent to the Dark Side. Planks of wood would've carried themselves better. That was seriously one of the worst acting jobs I've ever seen in a major motion picture. It was laughably bad. In the interest of fairness, just about everyone else's acting sucked too. Yeah, but he was the most important one. They HAD to get him right. That's the main reason, if not the only reason, people were dying to see ROTS so badly. They finally got to see him become Darth Vader, and the filmmakers went out of their way to drain every ounce of interest you had in the event.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 2, 2012 18:43:37 GMT -5
I have a theory that guys from our generation wanted three very dark films. Heads being cut off limbs flying everywhere and when we got pretty much three kids movies with some dark undertones people were bitter. I like all 6 films. When I saw ep 1 in 3d last Feb with my friend and his kids they loved it. They loved Jar Jar they were scared of Darth Maul. To me that was what star wars is about. I hope to show it to my kids some day. That's what I think too, the movies many of us wanted could never happen, in some cases they'd be like Taxi Driver. Plus in we had years to map it out in our heads, filling in the gaps about what the jedis were like at the peak of their powers and how they fought heroically in the clone-wars (whatever they were). Then we barely saw those clone-wars (in the movies), instead we got some rubbish about taxes or trade blockades and the midichlorians damaging the mythology. If only episode 1 had been condensed to a 10 minute prologue things could have been different. That's not to say they weren't without their highlights though.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 2, 2012 19:36:03 GMT -5
The Ewok hate is ridiculous
1. Empire 2-3. ANH/Jedi tie 4.Sith 5. The other two.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 2, 2012 19:46:36 GMT -5
Big thing to me was Anakin was so unlikeable in 2 and 3 to the point where him turning into Darth Vader meant nothing. Throughout the Star Wars Universe, all you heard was how Anakin was a great man and a great Jedi who got corrupted by the Dark Side. All we saw was a whiney, angry teenager who looked pretty incompetent 99% of the time.
I actually remember liking the Phantom Menace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 19:52:57 GMT -5
1. George Lucas is a great storyteller, but one of the worst writers of dialogue to ever grace Hollywood. 2. George Lucas is a great visual artist, but a horrible director. 3. 90% of the trilogy was shot on green screen, which led to very stilted performances. Sums it up pretty well.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 2, 2012 20:21:52 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people get so wound up about them though. Their presence doesn't alter the first three films in any way. You sure about that?
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 2, 2012 21:30:59 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people get so wound up about them though. Their presence doesn't alter the first three films in any way. You sure about that? I cannot tell you how many total bricks were shit when that first surfaced.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 2, 2012 21:37:42 GMT -5
Honestly, the whole ghosts reappearing thing to me was always more of Luke having some sort of a telekinetic link with Obi Wan and showing him as a ghost was only a means to the audience and that those images truly only exist in Luke's mind. Showing young Anakin makes no sense because Luke shouldn't f***ing recognize him, much less literally see him the way he is. I don't care if it was explained in the EU...that shit doesn't matter...only the movies matter.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Nov 3, 2012 12:27:49 GMT -5
Language Warning Episode 1 actually has some awesome bits in. The pod race for one. "Objection your honor! The pod race was pretty cool."
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Post by Legion on Nov 3, 2012 12:30:23 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people get so wound up about them though. Their presence doesn't alter the first three films in any way. You sure about that? Something like this always amuses me. Gutting for the other guy, but in no way actually a change to the story or the plot or anything. If anything, it was an attempt to be more continuity sound
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 3, 2012 16:45:44 GMT -5
You sure about that? Something like this always amuses me. Gutting for the other guy, but in no way actually a change to the story or the plot or anything. If anything, it was an attempt to be more continuity sound Agreed. I may have disliked Hayden's portrayal of Anakin, but going by Lucas' explanation of a force ghost being the projection of how the Jedi sees him/herself, it makes sense that Anakin would see himself as he was prior to being burned.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 3, 2012 17:32:09 GMT -5
Honestly I wish that some who hate it would get over it.
I like Simon Pegg but these days he still goes on about the prequels and it's just f***ing obnoxious now
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 3, 2012 19:48:44 GMT -5
As much as I dislike it, I feel like Attack of the Clones was probably doomed to be disappointing. Phantom Menace at least had the origin of Anakin and the start of the Emperor's plan (well, what we're shown of it at least) and Revenge of the Sith had a the Jedi Purge, Darth Vader being born, and the tie-in with the originals. I can't really think of a way that Attack of the Clones could've avoided being the boring middle child.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 3, 2012 20:05:47 GMT -5
As much as I dislike it, I feel like Attack of the Clones was probably doomed to be disappointing. Phantom Menace at least had the origin of Anakin and the start of the Emperor's plan (well, what we're shown of it at least) and Revenge of the Sith had a the Jedi Purge, Darth Vader being born, and the tie-in with the originals. I can't really think of a way that Attack of the Clones could've avoided being the boring middle child. They could have shown the friendship of Anakin and Obi-Wan, establish that the Republic is slowly turning into a dictatorship etc, In other words have an actual plot.
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