jobber2thestars
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jul 31, 2007 16:03:32 GMT -5
The trade for Kevin Garnett has gone through, and the C's now have three of the top players in the game. What do you think are the odds of them going all the way this season, or to atleast being competitive?
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jul 31, 2007 16:07:47 GMT -5
considering the east sucks outside Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit and possibly Washington and Miami when they're healthy, they'll be at least a 4 seed in the playoffs.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Jul 31, 2007 16:08:09 GMT -5
They may get to the finals (unless Doc Rivers really is that bad a coach)...but then there's that big wall known as the Western Conference.
Overall, I see them going to the playoffs and bowing out to the Pistons in either the second round or conference finals.
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Post by Tyfo on Jul 31, 2007 16:09:50 GMT -5
They'll be a power in the east, but against a lot of west teams, they'll still get owned.
Teams like the Mavs, Spurs, Suns, Jazz, Rockets, etc. arent impressed im sure.
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Post by icansleep on Jul 31, 2007 16:19:50 GMT -5
Of course, the real issue here is now the media (read: ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) won't stop talking about THREE Boston teams now. Joy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 16:21:30 GMT -5
NO they are not...they have a serious lack of a bench that will put a damper on their entire run with KG unless something is done fast...Also Pierce and Allen basically play the same position and will struggle over the ball...Mark my words they will get no farther then the second round if that for the next two or three years...
then again I HATE THE CELTICS...so I may be a little bias...but facts are facts and their bench is WEAK...
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Post by Insomniac on Jul 31, 2007 16:24:34 GMT -5
They won't be a powerhouse because they have a very inexperiences 2nd year PG starting, their center (Perkins) is very shaky on the offensive end, and their bench is somewhat lacking, although Tony Allen and Scalabrine will be helpful. They have a lot of question marks, but the roster is still good enough on paper to be a 2 or 3 seed in a woefully inept Eastern Conference, where a team like Cleveland got to the NBA Finals with only one superstar, let alone three as Boston has. I think they're a top 10 NBA team for sure, and they should make a run in the playoffs with three legit superstars who are all hungry for a title and would give their left nut for a chance to play in June. If they do happen to reach the NBA Finals, though, I don't see them topping a team like San Antonio. Not unless they manage to find themselves an experienced PG that can withstand pressure. Also Pierce and Allen basically play the same position and will struggle over the ball Pierce plays SF, Allen is a SG. They don't play the same position at all. Allen will sit out on the perimeter and shoot jumpers, Pierce will find his way inside to score in the paint. Should either Pierce or KG get double teamed, Allen will just knock down 3s all day. And there won't be any struggle over the ball. These are three extremely unselfish players who put the team ahead of themselves, and they know that this is their best chance to get to the NBA Finals. They'll do whatever it takes to play in June. And the bench will improve. I guarantee you that there will be veterans out there who still haven't won a title that will see the situation in Boston and want to go play there. Unlike ever before in the last 15 years or so, players will want to play in Boston. They can probably get themselves one or two vets hungry for a ring that they'll be able to give a handful of minutes to, considering the bench is lacking ATM.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 31, 2007 16:32:22 GMT -5
I've always been a Bulls and whatever team is in Charlotte (GIVE ME BACK THE HORNETS! YOU TAKE THE BOBCATS!) fan. But I would love to see Boston return to glory. It's really sad how far this franchise has fallen. They are arguably the greatest franchise in NBA history, but you couldn't tell that from looking at them for who knows how long now.
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Post by rra on Jul 31, 2007 16:35:30 GMT -5
Deadpool, I still never quite understood the Hornets ownership. Screw 'em!
Are the Celtics now a powerhouse? Their division is the Atlantic Division:
Celtics Raptors Nets Knicks 76ers
With such a sorry-ass division, if the Celtics can't own it, then the answer is NO.
Besides, regular season doesn't matter. You just got to get your foot in the playoffs, then go from there....where Celtics get creamed.
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Jul 31, 2007 16:45:19 GMT -5
Danny Ainge will find a way to screw it up, bank on that playa.
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Post by Lancers on Jul 31, 2007 16:48:15 GMT -5
Celtics got two problems.
1. They practically traded away their entire future (Jefferson, Green, 5th overall pick in 2007 draft, Ratliff's expiring contract) for two players over the age of 30 whose skills will be diminishing.
2. The NBA still enforces the rule that you can only use one basketball on the court at all times, which is bad news for Pierce and Allen who are primarily known as offensive-minded players.
That being said, they should make the playoffs. I still think New Jersey is better than them.
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Post by normcoleman on Jul 31, 2007 17:07:07 GMT -5
playoff team yes, powerhouse no
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Post by Insomniac on Jul 31, 2007 17:08:36 GMT -5
Celtics got two problems. 1. They practically traded away their entire future (Jefferson, Green, 5th overall pick in 2007 draft, Ratliff's expiring contract) for two players over the age of 30 whose skills will be diminishing. 2. The NBA still enforces the rule that you can only use one basketball on the court at all times, which is bad news for Pierce and Allen who are primarily known as offensive-minded players. They didn't have a future with the majority of the players they traded away. Telfair is a "Shoot First" PG who can't shoot and can't play defense. Gerald Green may be a good scorer in time, but his defense is terrible. Ryan Gomes is a decent bench player but I don't see him being more than that in his career. Jefferson and the 5th pick (Brewer or Green) would've been nice, but they aren't winning a title with those two guys leading the way in the near future. The entire team was loaded with young guys who people kept saying would get better in the future. The Celtics have been rebuilding for 15 years, and what has it gotten them? One trip to the Eastern Finals. At some point, you have to just pull the trigger and go for it. They have a chance to win a title now, and in a crappy East, they have a legit show of getting to the NBA Finals. And once they get there, their opponent will likely be a better team, but anything can happen in a 7-game series. As for Pierce and Allen being offensive-minded, it will work. These are two completely unselfish players who get a chance to be on a team with a legit chance of going somewhere. Don't you think they'd do whatever it takes to make this work? All these guys have been in the league for 10+ years and have never even gotten a sniff of a ring. I think it's easy to say they'll surrender a couple shots a game to make the situation work. I really don't care anymore if they gave away their "future" to try to win now. You know what? It's been 21 years since they won a title and they haven't been relevant since Bird retired. Now people will notice them, now they'll be a team to reckon with in the East. If the Cavs can get to the NBA Finals with LeBron James and 11 other random guys off the street, then surely the Celtics have just as good a chance with 3 legitimate superstars. I still say the Celtics aren't done making moves just yet. They have very little cap space left, but they can still get some kind of veteran PG to probably start, have Rondo as a backup, and make it work with Perkins as a center. My only worry is that Doc Rivers is still coaching. He's never had a good team to work with while with the Celtics, so this is his chance to prove people wrong. For once in his time here, he'll have a set rotation to work with and won't have to worry about juggling minutes between 9 young players who the team is still trying to develop.
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Post by Lancers on Jul 31, 2007 17:14:04 GMT -5
Hey you know what? Ainge got cojones to pull off these deals. I will agree with you that with this lineup, they are a significantly better team right now, BUT their window of opportunity is a very, very short one because of their ages. I'm not keen on their depth, which could hurt them greatly if one of the three goes down with an injury.
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Post by The Line on Jul 31, 2007 17:15:49 GMT -5
It all depends on two things. Coaching and Chemistry. If you have bad coaching, or your players can't get along, then you could have 5 all stars, but you won't be winning any finals, where as a team with no real stars can.
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Post by Insomniac on Jul 31, 2007 17:17:41 GMT -5
BUT their window of opportunity is a very, very short one because of their ages. They have 3 years or so with these three guys, even though KG signed an extension to be here for the next 5 seasons. I say they have three years while these guys are still at this level to put something together and win a title. As a die-hard Celtics fan, I'd rather see this team contend for three years then go back to re-building than see them continue to try and rebuild with pretty much zero success. It's been way too long since the Celtics competed in the NBA, at least their fans now have something to root for. As for chemistry, I see no problems. It's not like Kobe and Shaq, where their massive egos collided. These three guys, KG/Allen/Pierce, all put winning ahead of individual stats. They will definitely do what's best for the team, I have no doubt about it. KG didn't come to Boston so he could become a bigger superstar or make more money, he came here for a shot at a title. He wouldn't have come here if he didn't think it could work.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jul 31, 2007 17:53:00 GMT -5
Pierce and KG have three years, Allen maybe has 2 years left playing at a starter level. after that, he's going to have to cut back on time or he won't be effective. he's just too injured to continue to play that position. but they can probably find another SG to replace him by then anyway either on the market or in the draft so it's not a huge issue.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jul 31, 2007 17:55:49 GMT -5
At this point, there are still about four or five teams in the East better than the Green Sox: Pistons, Cavs, Bulls, Heat, Nets. Maybe the Raptors... maybe.
The Nets have a big three with R.J., Carter, and Kidd. They have been frequently stopped in the second round on the playoffs. The Greeners will go no further than the Nets this season.
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Post by Insomniac on Jul 31, 2007 18:09:03 GMT -5
Cleveland, Toronto, Miami and New Jersey are not better than Boston IMO. Detroit and Chicago, yes, but not those other teams. The Celtics Big Three is better than Jersey's, and Jersey couldn't even get by Cleveland in the playoffs. Toronto is still a very young team without any real leadership. Miami is full of aging veterans who are even older than the guys Boston now has, and Shaq will be lucky to play half a season next year. Cleveland, despite the fact that they got to the NBA Finals, are still very overrated and are a one-star team. Detroit has a lot of veterans with playoff experience, and the Baby Bulls are only getting better, so those are the only two teams that I think can stand in Boston's way.
Like I've said already, chemistry won't be an issue with these guys. They all have a common goal and don't care about individual statistics, and they are all hungry vets looking for a ring. They'll mesh just fine. And the bench will straighten itself out in time I think. They'll find a couple decent vets to fill holes. They still have their mid-level exception left to go find a veteran PG (Breven Knight) or could go after Matt Barnes (Mark Stein says both guys are possibilities). Ownership isn't worried about the luxury tax and wants this team to win. They aren't done making moves, they'll get even better.
A buddy of mine compared this to the year when the Lakers went out and got Gary Payton and Karl Malone. But by the time Malone and Payton arrives, they were both significantly declining. KG, Allen and Pierce are all still very productive at this point in their careers and will be for at least 2-3 years.
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