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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 16:41:47 GMT -5
In the 80's to early 90's. the Intercontinental title served a purpose since Hulkamania was so powerful, another belt is created since no can stop the Hulk. Nowadays, it doesn't serve any purpose kayfabe wise. Seriously, who wants to be considered second best in the company?
On another thread, someone suggested that the WWE should use an actual weight class. I agree with that since it will help out a lot of lightweights getting the limelight and the rest focusing on the World title. More people would have a shot at the World title and the roster wouldn't be so thin.
Also, the IC title has been meaningless since 96. Even before then, the Ultimate Warrior had to win the match at Wrestlemania and drop the IC title since it was established that the IC title is a lower title. Austin didn't want the title and wanted to go the World Title scene. Nowadays IC holders go for the Money in the Bank to win something much greater.
Thoughts?
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 25, 2007 16:42:41 GMT -5
No.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 25, 2007 16:45:01 GMT -5
Has it been a week already since we had this thread?
Man, time sure flies...
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
Another point, why does there have to be a midcard title to get someone over? Neither TNA or ROH has midcard title, and yet we see new wrestlers being built up in the main event without it. I know WWE does use this method to build up stars, but it can be done without it.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Dec 25, 2007 16:49:01 GMT -5
Secondary titles have been around forever. I really don't think the formula is going to change now. It's like a stepping stone title, or a title for guys who are over, but really aren't able to get to the ME scene (Billy Gunn/Road Dogg/X-Pac). The problem is that the rosters are so thin now-a-days that there isn't a real division for it. Each roster feels like it's seperated into two kind of classes -- main eventers and not main eventers. The reason the belt lacks so much credibility is because there is no prerequisite for guys to challenge (or win) it. Like right now on RAW, there are maybe 6 people who can credibly vie for the WWE title. However, anyone (like Super Crazy, Carlito, Snitsky, Duggan, etc) can challenge for the IC title. That's what makes it look weak, there is no IC division.
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 25, 2007 16:50:06 GMT -5
Belts are just fancy props these days.
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 16:52:34 GMT -5
That is why I propose the Lightweight or Cruiserweight Title be put in the IC title's place. Those guys you mentioned, except for Duggan and Snitsky, can fight over it and can make the belt over. It can be legitimately be held in the same prestige as the World Title if built around it.
I liked TNA when the X-Division title was meaningful and it was not a secondary title, despite recent bookings.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:01:02 GMT -5
I agree that the historic Intercontinental Title has lost all its prestige as nobody feuds for it and creative has it as an after thought in Jeff Hardy's quest to become the WWE Champion. What creative should do is have a guy like Mr Kennedy come out and say that he wants a shot at the Intercontinental Title since he feels that Jeff isn't focusing on that belt and is more concerned with the WWE Title. Kennedy and Jeff face off in the Main Event of Raw for the Intercontinental Title where Kennedy beats Jeff CLEAN with either the Kenton or the Lambeau Leap and boom, the IC Title can start having meaning to it again as Kennedy can defend it against anyone and everyone.
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Post by Lionheart on Dec 25, 2007 17:03:13 GMT -5
The IC title looks the best it has in possibly years with Jeff Hardy beating current and former world title holders, and twice in one week we get people wanting to scrap it. Go figure.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:06:03 GMT -5
The IC title looks the best it has in possibly years with Jeff Hardy beating current and former world title holders, and twice in one week we get people wanting to scrap it. Go figure. He didn't defend the belt against those two guys so it kinda doesn't really matter if he's the intercontinental champion or not.
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Post by xwhatx on Dec 25, 2007 17:06:13 GMT -5
aBsOlUtEly nOt!
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 17:07:47 GMT -5
My reasoning for abolishing the IC title is not that it has any meaning(it probably doesn't) but it doesn't make sense kayfabe wise when a wrestler is fighting for a belt that is secondary to the belt they dream of winning. Does any wrestlers really have childhood dreams of winning the IC title? It will never be as prestigious as the World title.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:09:27 GMT -5
My reasoning for abolishing the IC title is not that it has any meaning(it probably doesn't) but it doesn't make sense kayfabe wise when a wrestler is fighting for a belt that is secondary to the belt they dream of winning. Does any wrestlers really have childhood dreams of winning the IC title? It will never be as prestigious as the World title. You do have a point that it is not as prestigious as the World title but if creative really put any effort in at all, they could easily make the IC title very important as the wrestlers could see it as a way to get a World Title shot.
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 17:11:12 GMT -5
My reasoning for abolishing the IC title is not that it has any meaning(it probably doesn't) but it doesn't make sense kayfabe wise when a wrestler is fighting for a belt that is secondary to the belt they dream of winning. Does any wrestlers really have childhood dreams of winning the IC title? It will never be as prestigious as the World title. You do have a point that it is not as prestigious as the World title but if creative really put any effort in at all, they could easily make the IC title very important as the wrestlers could see it as a way to get a World Title shot. I'll only agree if there is a rule in which the current holder of the IC title has an automatic shot at the World title. I can see wrestlers fighting for the IC title and use it to win the World title.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:13:04 GMT -5
Actually, wasn't Umaga the IC Champion last year when he had the feud with Cena?
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:23:50 GMT -5
I'm confused
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 17:24:43 GMT -5
imagine this. You're a boxer. You've had no exposure, no formal training. You start off winning small regional tournaments. Then somebody notices you. You eventually win some more titles. Eventually, the big time promoters see you as a viable contender for the World championship belt. Or, you're a football player. You win the state championship in high school. Then, you go to college, win several awards, maybe a conference championship or better. You aren't drafted, though, so you go to the Arena league and win the MVP and Arena Bowl. THEN, the NFL signs you, you win the Super Bowl. Does that diminish your accomplishment of winning the Arena Bowl MVP? That's the way I have always looked at it. EDIT: Oh, when I was younger, I saw it as the IC champ was the best in the world who was NOT the WWF champ. The WWF champ was THE champ. A wrestler can be evaluated up from the ranks through feuds. Honestly, it would make feuds more meaningful is two or more feuds are fighting for a third or fourth spot for the world title. The IC title seems too redundant the way RAW is setup. I am glad you mentioned other sports since I was thinking along the lines of MMA when made this post. UFC has titles but are based on weight classes and not where one is at in the overall hierarchy. It makes things fun when a champion in one weight division fights someone from another weight division.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:32:24 GMT -5
WCW had that in the 80's and early 90's where they had a ranking system for the top contenders for the World Title.
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Post by joeman on Dec 25, 2007 17:33:35 GMT -5
WCW had that in the 80's and early 90's where they had a ranking system for the top contenders for the World Title. That is because they were still part of the NWA. The NWA still uses the ranking system today, even though it is not taken seriously. If it did, then people outside of TNA at the time they had would have won the title.
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Post by littlenaitch on Dec 25, 2007 17:39:12 GMT -5
The NWA gave TNA full control of the NWA Title
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