Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 27, 2007 22:08:52 GMT -5
I know it was terrible, but the guy was literally insane, his brain completely diminished. It was proven and theres no denying that. So to me thats not the same as some random serial killer who does it to "get off" or whatever... True, but it was a gradually developing condition. Benoit allowed his condition to get worse because he was afraid that getting help and taking time off to get healthy would have cost him in his career. Sad part is that he was probably right about the consequences in getting the proper help. I can forgive him for the actual act because he was clearly not healthy, but I cannot forgive him for putting career in front of family and letting himself get that bad to begin with. Foley recognized the damage that he had received and done something about it, and he could not have been the only one.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 27, 2007 23:54:26 GMT -5
if his brain was so damn messed up then he wouldnt have gone through all the planning out of this. theres something no one knows aside from benoit. something no one will ever know. his brain had nothing to do with it. this was all pre-meditated murder.
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Post by shaelindra on Dec 28, 2007 0:47:38 GMT -5
I've seen one or two new jack interviews before this one and although I generally find him to be a vile human being, he does cut straight to the chase and tells it how it is and in most of what he says in this interview I agree with him.
I'm not going to get into the why's of Benoit doing what he did, I do not feel there is a need. I started watching wrestling the week that the Radicalz joined the WWF and was an Eddie and Benoit fan from that day. I cried whilst watching the Eddie tribute as I did when watching the Benoit tribute. And then I was told how Benoit died and all that he achieved in the ring meant nothing and all of my reminising ceased. I was not friends with Chris Benoit, I was a fan and as fans we knew almost nothing of the real man, only what those close to him tell us. His job was to entertain us and he did just that, by using his unparalleled wrestling abilities in the ring and that should be enough for us, but it is not. We feel we have a right to every part of his life, which we do not. As wrestling fans I believe we should accept that we know only the character that the wrestlers portray and can never know the real person. Chris Benoit the wrestler was extraordinary, Chris Benoit the man was a murderer, I grieved the loss of a great wrestler but I will not grieve the loss of a coward of a man.
We will never know why Benoit did what he did because the only person who could have told us killed himself in that house after he had murdered his wife and child. Speculation gets us nowhere.
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Dec 28, 2007 8:53:44 GMT -5
if his brain was so damn messed up then he wouldnt have gone through all the planning out of this. theres something no one knows aside from benoit. something no one will ever know. his brain had nothing to do with it. this was all pre-meditated murder. I disagree. Sure, he didn't come to work because of some imaginary "family emergency", but I don't think he planned to murder anyone at that point. I can't tell you what he wanted to do at home on that weekend, though. But that's just my opinion, it's worth as much as yours, since we both can't prove anything.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 28, 2007 13:11:16 GMT -5
Wow... just wow. My respect for New Jack as an orator has only increased tenfold after watching this, and it was already pretty darned high. Yeah, he uses the F Bomb like I use oxygen, but he uses it CORRECTLY. Lenny Bruce taught us language isn't offensive, it's how it's interpreted by the listener that's offensive, and that's something that shouldn't be judged by a third party... With that said, I've never been a Chris Benoit apologist since any of this went down. New Jack was on point when he said everything good this man did went out the damn window when he killed his wife and seven year old child. And honestly, the wife thing, I could overlook if it was by itself if it was under different circumstances. Crimes of passion have happened on more than one occasion on this planet, and they'll likely happen again. It doesn't neccesarily mean you're a bad person overall to commit a crime of passion. This, however, was no crime of passion. This was a mythodical, plotted out execution of a grown woman, and a retarded child, days apart from one another. Retarded is not being used as a slur, it is being used as an apt modifier. He didn't just kill a child, he killed his child, and he killed his RETARDED child. The level of infamy that creates is unmatched, and nothing even Manson did is on that level. Once again, I'm with New Jack. I'm not a religious man, and I do not believe in the afterlife, but if there is one, Chris Benoit has got a front row ticket to the downside, and eternity wouldn't be enough time to exact the punishment he would deserve. He had enough time to message his wrestling buddies to feed his dogs in between killings. He had enough sense to lay a BIBLE at the feet of his victims. This is horror-movie level sickness that sure as hell isn't from just taking too many chair shots to the head. There was something profusely screwed up inside his head that goes well beyond the measure of a "good man gone bad". I personally don't care if he cured cancer in the ring, what he did was unforgiveable, and the entire weight of his life and good deeds was negated and destroyed by his actions that weekend. If you are married, go look at your spouse tonight. Imagine if anyone on this planet abused them and murdered them in that fashion. If you have children, imagine what your reaction would be if you watched somebody strangle them to death. Could you call them a good person, regardless of what they had done in their lives after watching that? Sure as hell not, and that's why New Jack is my hero, because he's got the sense to point it out. *standing ovation* I have no spouse (although I was engaged once) and I have no children (although I have "nieces and nephews," albeit not biological) but I agree 100%; if anyone did to them what Chris Benoit did to Nancy and Daniel, drug-induced or not, you're damn right I wouldn't consider them to be a good person, regardless of what they did for the other 99% of their life. "Good" and "person" are both far from what I would be saying, as a matter of fact. On a semi-related note: please, please, someone get Sheik some help. I don't want to sound rash, but we've all seen what drugs can do to someone, and the man needs help. I don't think his rants are "cute" or "funny," I think they're sad and disturbing. The man works shows for crack, for crying out loud! I would never consider myself to have been a fan of Sheik, but I don't want to see another wrestler die relatively young, especially if it's drug-related, as I imagine Sheik's would be.
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 28, 2007 13:37:57 GMT -5
if his brain was so damn messed up then he wouldnt have gone through all the planning out of this. theres something no one knows aside from benoit. something no one will ever know. his brain had nothing to do with it. this was all pre-meditated murder. It was proven his brain was messed up. Its not like a theory or anything like that. Its a proven fact...
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 28, 2007 13:39:58 GMT -5
if his brain was so damn messed up then he wouldnt have gone through all the planning out of this. theres something no one knows aside from benoit. something no one will ever know. his brain had nothing to do with it. this was all pre-meditated murder. It was proven his brain was messed up. Its not like a theory or anything like that. Its a proven fact... So what made him different the the thousands of other people that come from contact sports?
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 28, 2007 13:55:16 GMT -5
It was proven his brain was messed up. Its not like a theory or anything like that. Its a proven fact... So what made him different the the thousands of other people that come from contact sports? I'm very weary of this 'his brain was messed up' reasoning. I'm not sure how reliable those tests they did where, and the doctor didn't say he had the same brain as someone with Alhemizer;s, just that it was comparable. And what about the fact he was behaving normally up till that Friday? He knew enough not to hurt his opponent in a worked match but not enough to kill his wife and kid? Why, if it was beyond his control, didn't he lash out at one of the other wrestlers?
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Post by greate on Dec 28, 2007 15:24:54 GMT -5
lol at the people who say "I have newfound respect for New Jack", yeah he pointed the obvious Chris is not exactly the "Father of the year" so what else he did except an emotional rant.
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Post by Slammywinner on Dec 28, 2007 15:42:55 GMT -5
Will someone post the honkey tonk portion of the shoot please?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 28, 2007 15:49:23 GMT -5
It was proven his brain was messed up. Its not like a theory or anything like that. Its a proven fact... So what made him different the the thousands of other people that come from contact sports? That he had unrelated issues that the damage made worse maybe? Stepping back he strikes me as an emotionally fragile human being. He was probably always something of a danger to himself and too whatever to understand that. I feel that the damage made things infinitely worse and got Nancy and Daniel swept in. In no way do I fully absolve Benoit. He was in that condition through a combination of his own actions and inactions.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 28, 2007 16:20:59 GMT -5
lol at the people who say "I have newfound respect for New Jack", yeah he pointed the obvious Chris is not exactly the "Father of the year" so what else he did except an emotional rant. I think it's the way he said it, and a lot of people haven't put their feelings in such a way, and New Jack said what I lot of people felt they couldn't. Also, New Jack made the point of his nerve and brain damage he recieved from his fall with Vic Grimes. People also talk about New Jack saying he might be a hypocrite because of his attempted murder of Vic Grimes. I think that, while it's bad that Jack tried to do that, it's different for one guy trying to kill somebody out of revenge, as compared to trying to kill your innocent wife and child. I'm not saying either are right, but New Jack isn't going to kill a woman who pissed him off. And his point was, if you are so angry at a woman that you want to kill them, leave. And he even made the point, if you have to smack them, smack them. If that doesn't do it, leave. And while I don't condone violence against women, it's much better to smack a woman in the face then choke your wife. Also, Honky Tonk Man's point of view will be put up, along with those of Scott Hall, Nick Dinsmore, Cryme Tyme, Superstar Billy Graham and Demolition.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 28, 2007 22:40:54 GMT -5
if his brain was so damn messed up then he wouldnt have gone through all the planning out of this. theres something no one knows aside from benoit. something no one will ever know. his brain had nothing to do with it. this was all pre-meditated murder. It was proven his brain was messed up. Its not like a theory or anything like that. Its a proven fact... That "he had the brain of an 85 year old alzheimer's patient" is such bullcrap. My great-grandmother had alzheimer's and she couldn't even remember how to speak English or who most of her relatives were. She sure wasn't flying around the country and negotiating her own contracts.
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