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Post by thegame415 on Dec 27, 2007 19:43:52 GMT -5
You could push guys wish amateur backgrounds (Haas, Shelton)..question is though, would the fans buy it?
I always wanted to see a gimmick match between angle and lesnar, back during their feud in 2003....i thought it would be interesting.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 27, 2007 19:45:20 GMT -5
As a one-time thing. Maybe.
Full time, NO. That's what ESPN2 is for.
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Post by EJS on Dec 27, 2007 19:45:36 GMT -5
Not as a division, but as a match you do every so often sure (See: AJ Styles vs Scott Steiner in an amateur wrestling match last month).
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 27, 2007 19:46:17 GMT -5
Not as a division, but as a match you do every so often sure (See: AJ Styles vs Scott Steiner in an amateur wrestling match last month). wow they did that? I dont watch TNA so i didn't know
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Post by jobber2thestars on Dec 27, 2007 19:50:14 GMT -5
Not as a division, but as a match you do every so often sure (See: AJ Styles vs Scott Steiner in an amateur wrestling match last month). wow they did that? I dont watch TNA so i didn't know It wasn't really an amateur match, they just went for take-downs. Personally, I don't think am amateur division would work, it would be really hard to make it work, and the average fan wouldn't care for it.
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Post by The Line on Dec 27, 2007 19:51:36 GMT -5
I don't think it could work, because there's the whole idea of promoting it. Its in the same boat as MMA. How do wrestling announcers put it over, short of saying "Oh, well pro wrestling is fake, but that stuff is real!"
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Post by Nick Loves Dr. Pepper on Dec 27, 2007 19:55:19 GMT -5
Not speaking for most of the fans, but I would genuinely be interested if it was an actual amateur contest. Such realism is not what the WWE is going for and it would be ruined by stupid gimmicks.
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Post by EJS on Dec 27, 2007 19:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by Bobby Womack on Dec 27, 2007 20:05:20 GMT -5
the crowds nowadays are dead enough as it is, an amature division would create a painfull silence, even though id enjoy it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 20:43:27 GMT -5
Nope, everyone would be bored within thirty seconds.
Plus, knowing WWE, it would only be a matter of time before someone interferes with a steel chair.
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Post by big nasty on Dec 27, 2007 21:04:58 GMT -5
i dont think it would work. every few years it seems like someone tries to start up a pro, amatuer style wrestling organization, but they never seem to last.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2007 23:24:58 GMT -5
They're apples and oranges, besides if you establish that that division is 'real', you're kinda undermining the rest of your show. It'd just be totally outta place.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 27, 2007 23:29:34 GMT -5
well if it was its own show and marketed to a completely different audience and not try to WWeify it... plus, like I said the WWe name itself is the kiss of death to anything not related to actual WWe.
I mean would you take seriously anything that had the WWe name attached to it? (No I'm not counting WWe home video or magazine cause it still pertains to WWe brand wrestling)
WWe films WWe Smackdown records WWe XFL WWE ECW
At least back when they were Titan sports you might be able to forget that sommething (ie WBF) was owned by the dumbass McMahon family.
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Post by damna on Dec 27, 2007 23:46:04 GMT -5
As a former amateur wrestler, I can tell you right now it wouldn't work. Amateur wrestling (especially at high levels) rarely results in pinfalls, and even then near-fall points (aka back points) are somewhat rare above the high school level. The WWE fan would be seeing a 7-8 minute match full of clinches and some occasional mat grappling. The highlight would be a double-leg take down in the fnal mnute or maybe a well executed hip toss (not quite like the pro hip-toss)
While I would love to see benjamin vs. hass, or lesnar vs. angle for the matter, the average fan would be bored to tears.
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Post by Henry Mark on Dec 28, 2007 1:51:43 GMT -5
In addition to all the other reasons it wouldn't work, you'd eventually have what many people would consider an upset victory and then it'd call into question if it was all scripted or not. I like the WWE, but we've all learned to believe IN it, but don't believe it. It's scripted entertainment and an amateur division would eventually get to that level or be incredibly questionable as to it's legitimacy.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 28, 2007 2:50:03 GMT -5
There's was a cable network that attempted an amateur wrestling show a few years ago and it was a huge failure (USA? Maybe TBS?). They tried to manufacture angles, etc, but the wrestling itself was all shoot. It just didn't work.
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Post by The Line on Dec 28, 2007 3:13:01 GMT -5
They're apples and oranges, besides if you establish that that division is 'real', you're kinda undermining the rest of your show. It'd just be totally outta place. exactly. Which is why I am, and always have been, mixing things such as Am. Wrestling, MMA, and Boxing into my wrestling
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Post by Tapout on Dec 28, 2007 4:08:21 GMT -5
An amateur division plus title might actually work well if booked properly. It could be all about talented mat wrestlers working the mat specifically. You could put Shelton, Haas (if he doesn't get released in the next 15 seconds), and, uh...some other dudes in the division and have it be about "pure" wrestling and sportsmanship and pride. Heels who cheated could potentially have extra nuclear HEATZ because the amateur division is supposed to be honorable and weapon-free.
Again, it could work well if booked properly, but that's the rub.
For the record, the E had a brief angle that was similar to this around the time Eddy won the strap. It was the Kurt Angle amateur open challenge (or something) where Angle would do a Masterlock-challenge-like deal with a couple of Tough Enough kids. This was the time that Daniel Puder got cute and put Kurt in a shoot jointlock on SmackDown TV and was released shortly afterwards. Kid still brags about it to this day.
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Post by The Line on Dec 28, 2007 4:10:16 GMT -5
An amateur division plus title might actually work well if booked properly. It could be all about talented mat wrestlers working the mat specifically. You could put Shelton, Haas (if he doesn't get released in the next 15 seconds), and, uh...some other dudes in the division and have it be about "pure" wrestling and sportsmanship and pride. Heels who cheated could potentially have extra nuclear HEATZ because the amateur division is supposed to be honorable and weapon-free. Again, it could work well if booked properly, but that's the rub. For the record, the E had a brief angle that was similar to this around the time Eddy won the strap. It was the Kurt Angle amateur open challenge (or something) where Angle would do a Masterlock-challenge-like deal with a couple of Tough Enough kids. This was the time that Daniel Puder got cute and put Kurt in a shoot jointlock on SmackDown TV and was released shortly afterwards. Kid still brags about it to this day. eh, kinda close, but not quite. It was during the actual tough enough contest. And Puder wasn't released shortly there after. He went on to win the contest, and spent quite a while in OVW before getting released.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 28, 2007 4:17:33 GMT -5
An amateur division plus title might actually work well if booked properly. It could be all about talented mat wrestlers working the mat specifically. You could put Shelton, Haas (if he doesn't get released in the next 15 seconds), and, uh...some other dudes in the division and have it be about "pure" wrestling and sportsmanship and pride. Heels who cheated could potentially have extra nuclear HEATZ because the amateur division is supposed to be honorable and weapon-free. Again, it could work well if booked properly, but that's the rub. For the record, the E had a brief angle that was similar to this around the time Eddy won the strap. It was the Kurt Angle amateur open challenge (or something) where Angle would do a Masterlock-challenge-like deal with a couple of Tough Enough kids. This was the time that Daniel Puder got cute and put Kurt in a shoot jointlock on SmackDown TV and was released shortly afterwards. Kid still brags about it to this day. eh, kinda close, but not quite. It was during the actual tough enough contest. And Puder wasn't released shortly there after. He went on to win the contest, and spent quite a while in OVW before getting released. No, the jointlock was on televised SmackDown. You could tell Angle was legit hot about it and Tazz lamely tried to cover it up.
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