Johnny Danger (Godz)
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Dec 27, 2007 9:16:16 GMT -5
IMO, Savage is just bitter and a bit unbalanced.
Warrior is insane and hateful to the point of ignorance.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Dec 27, 2007 9:22:45 GMT -5
Because he wrestled for more than a week and was actually over as champion?
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Dec 27, 2007 9:24:26 GMT -5
savage promos are fun to listen to
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Post by blackielawless on Dec 27, 2007 10:27:02 GMT -5
IMHO, Savage is on a different level then Warrior. He was just as important to the 80's WWF days as Hulk Hogan. He's had some great memorable matches/feuds in his time and even carried Warrior through a decent match. I have a lot of great memories of Macho Man (Which means the angles got over), but as far as Warrior, its just WM6 against Hogan, and those hilarious vignettes he did with Jake the Snake. I loved Warrior as a kid, but as an adult, its laughable. I do respect the guy though and enjoy watching his matches, no matter how horable they can get.
I have to say too, that I did enjoy Macho Man on the mic during that time that they had him announcing, even though he has stated he hated it.
He was just over, big time, and not just because of his physique and ring antics like Warrior. Macho King/Man was wrestling, he had it all and I hope we get to see him back in WWE in some capacity soon, if not at least inducted into the HOF. I mean just look at what a buzz that "Oooohh Yeah" Hogan dropped at the RAW 15th anniversary created. Need I say more?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 10:27:59 GMT -5
Because Savage actually cut good promos from time to time. Warrior was just a joke. Because he wrestled for more than a week and was actually over as champion? Truth!
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 27, 2007 12:25:56 GMT -5
Back on topic though his ring ability is unquestionably betterthan Warriors I really don't think either of their promo styles could work today as some have argued in favor of Macho Man. I mean if he did that "sugar and sweet and so is honey" in the middle of a promo today I think it could easily become the equivalent of Cena's "Your acting like a ham sandwich!" Although I could see the "and the beat goes on" becoming a forum fad. Comapring Savage's promos to Cena's. The internet boards may not like Cena. But if Savage were around today and was getting the same crowd response as Cena and selling the same ammount of merchandise as Cena, then he'd be the biggest thing going in wrestling today. Meaning, his promo style would work today. Kinda like Cena's, as you pointed out so well.
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Post by SNITSKY on Dec 27, 2007 13:25:44 GMT -5
Yeah but Savage was an exellent wrestler first, the smarks would see that above everything else. Christ, just check out how much crap Angle has been forgiven for.
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Dec 27, 2007 19:15:34 GMT -5
Probably because Macho Man doesn't run around acting like some sort of holier than thou asshole and doesn't post two bible length rants a week on his website about how he hates the wrestling business yet for some odd reason can't seem to shut up about it.
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Post by skillz on Dec 27, 2007 19:40:38 GMT -5
Savage is one of my all-time favorites. I have nothing but good things to say about his career, as well as Warrior's. In fact, I'm one of the few who defends Warrior on this forum constantly. I truly believe that most of the criticism either comes from youngin's who weren't even watching when he was in his prime (basing their entire opinion on a skewed DVD), or from people who simply dislike him because of his political views. I've seen more defense for Chris Benoit's actions than I have seen for Warrior's OPINIONS on this board, which is so absurd that I can't even believe I'm witnessing it.
This forum simply tends to be hypocritical with wrestlers they like vs. wrestlers they don't. That will never change. Savage gets a pass because of his workrate. Truthfully, I don't believe Savage deserves any criticism for his promos, and neither does Warrior, but if you're asking why one is bashed while the other is praised, look no further than double standards and hypocrisy.
People need to understand that the 80's were different from the 90's, and MUCH different from today. If you don't use historical contexts to judge the past, then why even bother doing it?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2007 20:16:48 GMT -5
Yeah but Savage was an exellent wrestler first, the smarks would see that above everything else. Christ, just check out how much crap Angle has been forgiven for. Not to mention Benoit, which as skillz pointed out is kinda baffling.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 27, 2007 21:07:55 GMT -5
I truly believe that most of the criticism either comes from youngin's who weren't even watching when he was in his prime (basing their entire opinion on a skewed DVD), or from people who simply dislike him because of his political views. You can't include me in either of those categories. And I personally love Randy Savage. But I also wanted the Warrrior to lose to Hulk Hogan when I was 9 years old. Never liked him. Never gave a damn about his politcal views or anyone elses. Savage is one of the all time greats. Warrior was a joke. I could've told you that without the DVD. But I'm just one guy. I can't speak for everyone else.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 27, 2007 21:18:00 GMT -5
You could argue that his gimmick of "Macho Madness" implied that he was, in fact, insane. Therefore, his illogical interviews actually made complete sense, character-wise.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 27, 2007 22:11:42 GMT -5
Savage is one of my all-time favorites. I have nothing but good things to say about his career, as well as Warrior's. In fact, I'm one of the few who defends Warrior on this forum constantly. I truly believe that most of the criticism either comes from youngin's who weren't even watching when he was in his prime (basing their entire opinion on a skewed DVD), or from people who simply dislike him because of his political views. I've seen more defense for Chris Benoit's actions than I have seen for Warrior's OPINIONS on this board, which is so absurd that I can't even believe I'm witnessing it. This forum simply tends to be hypocritical with wrestlers they like vs. wrestlers they don't. That will never change. Savage gets a pass because of his workrate. Truthfully, I don't believe Savage deserves any criticism for his promos, and neither does Warrior, but if you're asking why one is bashed while the other is praised, look no further than double standards and hypocrisy. People need to understand that the 80's were different from the 90's, and MUCH different from today. If you don't use historical contexts to judge the past, then why even bother doing it? True dat. Plus, Ultimate Warrior's promos weren't really bad IMO. He was able to cut an AWESOME promo on a real good day if you just listen to them. They fit his character. Same with Randy Savage.
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Post by batwoman on Dec 27, 2007 22:31:51 GMT -5
Savage is one of my all-time favorites. I have nothing but good things to say about his career, as well as Warrior's. In fact, I'm one of the few who defends Warrior on this forum constantly. I truly believe that most of the criticism either comes from youngin's who weren't even watching when he was in his prime (basing their entire opinion on a skewed DVD), or from people who simply dislike him because of his political views. I've seen more defense for Chris Benoit's actions than I have seen for Warrior's OPINIONS on this board, which is so absurd that I can't even believe I'm witnessing it. This forum simply tends to be hypocritical with wrestlers they like vs. wrestlers they don't. That will never change. Savage gets a pass because of his workrate. Truthfully, I don't believe Savage deserves any criticism for his promos, and neither does Warrior, but if you're asking why one is bashed while the other is praised, look no further than double standards and hypocrisy. People need to understand that the 80's were different from the 90's, and MUCH different from today. If you don't use historical contexts to judge the past, then why even bother doing it? True dat. Plus, Ultimate Warrior's promos weren't really bad IMO. He was able to cut an AWESOME promo on a real good day if you just listen to them. They fit his character. Same with Randy Savage. I never had a problem with Warrior's promos either. He was so unique and different from everybody else in the late 80's.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 27, 2007 23:05:57 GMT -5
Probably because Warrior is (or at least seems like) a jackass in real life, and a nutzoid one to boot.
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Post by kunswwfmark on Dec 27, 2007 23:20:09 GMT -5
I found this clip that I thought was very interesting. It's Vince McMahon giving a short farewell to Randy on Raw. I can't believe that after all these years those two guys couldn't bury the hatchet and give Macho the tribute and respect he deserves. youtube.com/watch?v=36n1Gc92CzI&feature=related
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Post by Deadman Inc on Dec 28, 2007 2:36:43 GMT -5
It always baffles me when I watch Savage's promos that he spends so much time facing away from the camera and spining around.
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Post by rubber johnny on Dec 28, 2007 5:48:48 GMT -5
i love how mean gene sort of agrees with him when he says "THE BEAT GOES ON, YEAHHH"
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 28, 2007 9:20:27 GMT -5
I found this clip that I thought was very interesting. It's Vince McMahon giving a short farewell to Randy on Raw. I can't believe that after all these years those two guys couldn't bury the hatchet and give Macho the tribute and respect he deserves. youtube.com/watch?v=36n1Gc92CzI&feature=relatedIt's interesting that Vince would do something like that on Raw. That means that whatever started this fued happened either during the contract negotiations, or after 1994. Otherwise, Vince never would have bothered making this statement. He would have let Macho Man's absence pass with silence. That, and Deadman, he may have just been nervous talking into a camera, and talking with his back to it most of the time both allevated that nervousness, as well as added to the intense/kinda crazy character that was the Macho Man. And really, when you compare the Warrior and Macho Man promos, you see that Warrior has a basic intensity that comes at you one way...head on, full throttle. Macho's intensity was a more quiet, calculating kind that figured you out first before attacking, and then reveled in exploiting your weakness. It was the same way with Jake the Snake...minus the cocaine addiction.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Dec 28, 2007 11:11:13 GMT -5
Macho Man had talent. I bet he still does too, even though he's old and hasn't wrestled in a while.
I haven't seen too many Macho Man promos so I'm not gonna judge those.
Warrior is a nut case.
Also, the fact that Macho Man had Miss Elizabeth (RIP) prob helps his standing.
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