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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 27, 2007 17:15:58 GMT -5
as big of a fan of pillman that i am...
hell i change my SN on here a few months back to "Pillman Mark"
i have to say "no"
it would jsut smack of sympathy. we cant induct everyone that has died into the HOF. pillman was a wrestler for such a short amount of time. and he accomplished so little in the grand scheme of things...
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 27, 2007 18:43:53 GMT -5
There are many posthumous inductions they should do before they induct Pillman. I'm not singling you out, but I never said "HoF 2008." I just meant at some point in the next five to ten years. Everyone is jumping the gun saying "Not before Rude/Bulldog/Owen/etc." I agree. But at some point, I think he should go in.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 27, 2007 18:53:11 GMT -5
Why? Because he had a DVD?
No. Look, I was around for the guy's entire run. He was a good wrestler that people got excited about for a month. Then the rest of his career was pretty sad. The Road Dog's career looks like Hulk Hogan's compared to Pillman's. If he hadn't died, 90 percent of you wouldn't even remember who he was.
Nice guy. Good Matches for a few years of his career. But he was WCW's Jim Powers and WWE's nothing. I'm Sorry, but No.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 27, 2007 18:55:34 GMT -5
Why? Because he had a DVD? No. Look, I was around for the guy's entire run. He was a good wrestler that people got excited about for a month. Then the rest of his career was pretty sad. The Road Dog's career looks like Hulk Hogan's compared to Pillman's. If he hadn't died, 90 percent of you wouldn't even remember who he was. Nice guy. Good Matches for a few years of his career. But he was WCW's Jim Powers and WWE's nothing. I'm Sorry, but No. Well then I'll be the first in line for the Jim Powers DVD. Young Stallions FTW!
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 27, 2007 19:21:11 GMT -5
Wow, talk about downplaying the accomplishments of Brian Pillman. I watched Pillman since he debuted in WCW and helped elevated "Crusierweight" wrestling into the mainstream pallet. * This "niche" wrestling as you call helped propel WCW past the WWF during the "Monday Night Wars" Pillman was one of the most over babyfaces in WCW during the early 90's. I thought WCW were kicking WWF's ass thanks to the NWO... The cruiserweights were an interesting and innovative appetizer. Sure, but how many of the "average WWE fans" know who Liger is? Ok, When will be Jannetty get his HoF spot? He was said to be the most talented of the two Rockers... Pillman changed wrestling? I respectfully disagree... Only two-three men can claim they actually changed wrestling, and Pillman isn't one of them There you have THE reason because I'd not raise hell to induct him. I'm maybe selling him short, but you're "overselling" him and his impact. I really fail to see how a tag team with a not-yet Stone Cold Steve Austin, an angle against Kevin Sullivan and one of the umpteen over-the-top angles of the Attitude Eras are stellar contribution In terms of contribution, Rey Mysterio is lightyears ahead, and I'd think twice about him in the HoF anyway. I agree. I am a fan of Pillman's..not a huge one, but I liked his work. I really don't think he should go in the HoF. I'll say it again, I think the DVD was the perfect thing for his career. If you were gonna induct Pillman, doing it at the time of the DVD release would have been the time.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 27, 2007 23:17:59 GMT -5
Why? Because he had a DVD? No. Look, I was around for the guy's entire run. He was a good wrestler that people got excited about for a month. Then the rest of his career was pretty sad. The Road Dog's career looks like Hulk Hogan's compared to Pillman's. If he hadn't died, 90 percent of you wouldn't even remember who he was. Nice guy. Good Matches for a few years of his career. But he was WCW's Jim Powers and WWE's nothing. I'm Sorry, but No. i think this guy has the right idea, he's just saying it in an assholeish way (not calling you an asshole, dude... just the way you bluntly put it seemd a little "assholeish" for lack of a better term)... pillman was great. one of my favorites. but when you look at his run... hell, most of the time he was in WWF, he was still recovering from that accident. and even after he "recovered" he still wasnt the same. his best years WRESTLING wise, were in WCW... his best years SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT wise were in WWE... but he never really did anything revolutionary... probably the most revolutionary thing he did was the pillman/austin gun angle. the DVD was fantastic... HOF? unfortunately... no, i dont feel it would be right.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 27, 2007 23:53:56 GMT -5
Why? Because he had a DVD? No. Look, I was around for the guy's entire run. He was a good wrestler that people got excited about for a month. Then the rest of his career was pretty sad. The Road Dog's career looks like Hulk Hogan's compared to Pillman's. If he hadn't died, 90 percent of you wouldn't even remember who he was. Nice guy. Good Matches for a few years of his career. But he was WCW's Jim Powers and WWE's nothing. I'm Sorry, but No. What?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 28, 2007 0:07:14 GMT -5
Ok, how about a comprimise?
Pillman is out and Yellow Dog is in.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 28, 2007 0:18:48 GMT -5
I can't think of anything he did that was HoF worthy.
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Post by jelloass on Dec 28, 2007 1:15:16 GMT -5
he had a terrible work rate
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Post by sexualvanilla on Dec 28, 2007 1:39:20 GMT -5
If his career wasn't cut so short, I'd completely agree. But even though his work helped inspire a lot of the Attitude era, a lot of other things did to and I don't think he deserves to get in as much as others might. He was definitely influential but I wouldn't go all in
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 28, 2007 2:31:15 GMT -5
Why is it when talking about old ECW they influenced the Attitude Era and when talking about Pillman, it was all him?
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Post by Tapout on Dec 28, 2007 3:56:57 GMT -5
Duder was a terrific worker and an amazing talker.
Yes, he was a trailblazer as far as high-flyers in the US go.
But if I remember right, his wife Melanie does not want him to be inducted...otherwise, he would've been, and should've been already.
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Post by Cheeba on Dec 28, 2007 11:36:58 GMT -5
Definitely yes. If he was good enough to dedicate a DVD to, he's good enough for the HoF.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Dec 28, 2007 11:51:26 GMT -5
Only if Iron Sheik inducts him.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 28, 2007 11:51:39 GMT -5
Why? Because he had a DVD? No. Look, I was around for the guy's entire run. He was a good wrestler that people got excited about for a month. Then the rest of his career was pretty sad. The Road Dog's career looks like Hulk Hogan's compared to Pillman's. If he hadn't died, 90 percent of you wouldn't even remember who he was. Nice guy. Good Matches for a few years of his career. But he was WCW's Jim Powers and WWE's nothing. I'm Sorry, but No. i think this guy has the right idea, he's just saying it in an assholeish way (not calling you an asshole, dude... just the way you bluntly put it seemd a little "assholeish" for lack of a better term)... pillman was great. one of my favorites. but when you look at his run... hell, most of the time he was in WWF, he was still recovering from that accident. and even after he "recovered" he still wasnt the same. his best years WRESTLING wise, were in WCW... his best years SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT wise were in WWE... but he never really did anything revolutionary... probably the most revolutionary thing he did was the pillman/austin gun angle. the DVD was fantastic... HOF? unfortunately... no, i dont feel it would be right. Yeah. I speak bluntly. It always comes off asholeish. Just don't know how else to get my points across. Unfortunately typed words omit voice inflection. I just want to say I'm not one of those guys who goes around calling the Hall of Fame a joke and what not. I like it. And I like Pillman and own the DVD. But while these WWE DVD's are great entertainment, they're trying to work you just as much as the weekly shows are. I'm sure Pillman was a great guy, but he was not the lone innovator of cruiserweight wrestling that he's portrayed as. Owen Hart, Lanny Poffo, The Rockers, and multiple others were just as important. But a Brian Pillman DVD is not going to say that. It's there to put over Pillman's career. And the WWE DVD's are very very well produced. They do a much better job than Tony Schiavone could ever do at convincing the viewer that [ Insert DVD Subject Here] was the greatest in the history of our sport.
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Post by thereallybigshow on Dec 29, 2007 15:12:18 GMT -5
i think this guy has the right idea, he's just saying it in an assholeish way (not calling you an asshole, dude... just the way you bluntly put it seemd a little "assholeish" for lack of a better term)... pillman was great. one of my favorites. but when you look at his run... hell, most of the time he was in WWF, he was still recovering from that accident. and even after he "recovered" he still wasnt the same. his best years WRESTLING wise, were in WCW... his best years SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT wise were in WWE... but he never really did anything revolutionary... probably the most revolutionary thing he did was the pillman/austin gun angle. the DVD was fantastic... HOF? unfortunately... no, i dont feel it would be right. Yeah. I speak bluntly. It always comes off asholeish. Just don't know how else to get my points across. Unfortunately typed words omit voice inflection. I just want to say I'm not one of those guys who goes around calling the Hall of Fame a joke and what not. I like it. And I like Pillman and own the DVD. But while these WWE DVD's are great entertainment, they're trying to work you just as much as the weekly shows are. I'm sure Pillman was a great guy, but he was not the lone innovator of cruiserweight wrestling that he's portrayed as. Owen Hart, Lanny Poffo, The Rockers, and multiple others were just as important. But a Brian Pillman DVD is not going to say that. It's there to put over Pillman's career. And the WWE DVD's are very very well produced. They do a much better job than Tony Schiavone could ever do at convincing the viewer that [ Insert DVD Subject Here] was the greatest in the history of our sport. I was also around and watched Pillman from his days in WCW to his death. To me he felt like a top tier worker. He was a wrestler surrounded in tragedy like so many others. He started his career relying on his in ring abilities. he transformed himself in a worker who relied on his personality. I honestly felt Pillman was truly ahead of his time. He overcame such odds after his accident. If he didn't die he would have surely left a huge mark on wrestling. All sorts of people are in the WWE Hall of Fame. How can you not induct one of most intriguing wrestlers of the 90's. I mean if he did as little as some of you say why would this be a debate. Pillman entertained fans on a National level for nearly a decade. He made waves in WCW, ECW, and WWE. His accomplishments in WCW from his high flying classics to shattering kayfabe before it was cool are great. He walked into ECW for only a few shows and shocked the ECW fans. The rumors of him pissing in ECWs ring ran on for years. In the WWE he pushed the envelope even further. He intrigued fans with out even being able to really work. That is talent. He was so talented.
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Post by a1TheEnigma1a on Dec 29, 2007 15:41:21 GMT -5
I'm split myself...
He had the talent, he had the look and the character.
But there are other wrestlers who had that and did more than him so they should be put in first. Definately one day.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Dec 29, 2007 16:15:50 GMT -5
Of corse Pillman deserves to be in. He had classic matches with Jushin Liger, was in the 4 Horseman , had classic pomos in ECW, had great feuds with Austin and Goldust in WWF so yes he deserves to go in.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 29, 2007 17:08:41 GMT -5
I still say no. He wasn't exactly Gale Sayers out there, being a transcendent talent whose career ended way too early. Pillman just didn't hit that level, although his contributions should be acknowledged. That's why we have DVD's.
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