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Post by Limity (BLM) on Aug 28, 2007 19:04:11 GMT -5
Christian hasn't been a "WWE Guy" for 2 years, and Sting hasn't been a "WCW guy" for 6 years. Time to give the "ZOMG WWEWCW GUYZ!!!11!" crap a rest. Yeah, let's get EVEN MORE ridiculous! Good job TNA, bringing in an ex-Universal Wrestling Federation guy like Sting! And that sure looks good, bringing in a World Wrestling All-Stars guy like AJ Styles! And how many damn guys are they gonna bring in from the Olympics??? How is TNA supposed to stand on its own two feet if they keep bringing in guys from the Olympics?!?!?! Dammit, Joe is totally an ROH guy! Get him out of the main event! And YOU, Cage, you've got Sully's Gym written all over you! Get the hell out of TNA!
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Post by Lionheart on Aug 28, 2007 19:04:28 GMT -5
Christian hasn't been a "WWE Guy" for 2 years, and Sting hasn't been a "WCW guy" for 6 years. Time to give the "ZOMG WWEWCW GUYZ!!!11!" crap a rest. Yeah I know this constant reminding by TNA haters has to stop. We know that certain wrestlers use to wrestle in WWE and WCW. No-one gives one. Pardon me. I'm not a "TNA hater." Well, I hate what TNA is now, what it's become. But I used to be a big TNA fan, like a year ago. That's why watching what in my view has been a meteoric (meteors don't rise, they fall - the way this word is used makes no sense) plummet in quality since then drives me so crazy.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Aug 28, 2007 19:11:29 GMT -5
I don't like it either, but it's not because of ex-WCW/WWE guys or anything like that. I don't like when a promotion has an entire roster filled with talented exciting tag teams, who all get pushed aside just so that the tag titles can be placed on two randomly paired main eventers who couldn't mean less to tag team wrestling. I didn't like it when WWE put the Tag Titles on Cena and Shawn Michaels either, so this isn't just a TNA thing. It's just a booking mechanism that I do not like.
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Post by Lionheart on Aug 28, 2007 19:13:39 GMT -5
I don't like it either, but it's not because of ex-WCW/WWE guys or anything like that. I don't have a problem with ex-WCW/WWE guys being on the roster at all. I have some problem with them always taking precedence over "homegrown" guys in the booking (and yes, at this point Christian is sort of a gray area). I don't have as big a problem with it as some people here do, but it IS an issue IMO and it IS somewhat characteristic of TNA.
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Post by Efren on Aug 28, 2007 19:14:42 GMT -5
So will it be fair to say TNA only pushes guys with mainstream recoginition achived elswhere but have been employed in TNA for years since their debuts in the main event scene instead of TNA only pushes WWE/WCW guys?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 28, 2007 19:18:24 GMT -5
Why do people care so much if a wrestler wrestled in a WCW/ECW/WWE and was either released, contracted ended, or company folded? I mean is it really that big of a deal?
I mean people make it sounds like. Oh he came from the WWE and was released. He can't be champion because the WWE rejected him. Hell TNA titles are worthless anyway. I mean what kind of creditablity do they even have anymore to begin with? Does it really make a difference now weither or not AJ Styles as one of those belts?
Here's a thought? don't care so much about were the wrestler came from or how old they are and just enjoy the wrestling.
Big deal if Sting won one half of the tag titles. Sorry if it wasn't LAX as tag champion. Did you see who were tag champion on Raw last year? Piper and Flair and they were planned to have a long title run before Piper got cancer.
No matter what happens nobody is ever happy. TNA is so screwed anyway, I'm not behind it as much as I once was because the titles are meaningless and as long as that ass Russo is booking it, it never going to get better. TNA will never be that great because they always had a crappy booking team. They once had the best matches on PPV. They mean nothing if you can't book a good angle or build the matches to were it means a damn.
TNA can't never seem to do that. They never were able to. There is a reason why with the talent they have and trust me the talent is there. But they can't make money. Sure they are getting close but they should had made money long time ago.
No matter were the wrestler comes from. Who cares if the WWE released him. He can still be a major star. WWE isn't perfect and the soon people get that. The better.
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Aug 28, 2007 21:14:47 GMT -5
A four-way match for a single belt representing one half of a tag team championship. Two of those four guys are ex WWE/WCW guys, and one of them wins. The only thing that would make it even more TNA-ish is if the belt was on a pole. Good job, TNA. To thine one self be true. All the way to bankruptcy. How else would you have liked the title to be decided? Would you rather that Angle would have just randomly picked someone and announced him as his co-champion, or that Angle would have just defended the belts by himself?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Aug 28, 2007 21:16:24 GMT -5
Dear Vince McMahon, Please just buy TNA and put us all out of our misery. Thanks. That's like asking General Idi Amin Dada to step in and clean up Iraq.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Aug 28, 2007 22:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah I know this constant reminding by TNA haters has to stop. We know that certain wrestlers use to wrestle in WWE and WCW. No-one gives one. Pardon me. I'm not a "TNA hater." Well, I hate what TNA is now, what it's become. But I used to be a big TNA fan, like a year ago. That's why watching what in my view has been a meteoric (meteors don't rise, they fall - the way this word is used makes no sense) plummet in quality since then drives me so crazy. i think i was in love with TNA one year ago. In fact i've loved tna since i hit the age of 11.....o wait not that tna. no but seriously one year back tis show was on fire....LAX was probably the best tag team in mainstream pro wrestling fueding with AJ and Daniels the TNA crowd had it right cuz that was truly awesome. Sting vs Jarret was a great storyline imo as well.
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Post by primetime110 on Aug 28, 2007 23:09:14 GMT -5
Joe was in WWE for a quick second as well.
At least now we have 2 people as tag team champs. Poor Team 3-D is never going to get that rematch. lol.
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Post by Efren on Aug 28, 2007 23:46:08 GMT -5
Why do people care so much if a wrestler wrestled in a WCW/ECW/WWE and was either released, contracted ended, or company folded? I mean is it really that big of a deal? I mean people make it sounds like. Oh he came from the WWE and was released. He can't be champion because the WWE rejected him. Hell TNA titles are worthless anyway. I mean what kind of creditablity do they even have anymore to begin with? Does it really make a difference now weither or not AJ Styles as one of those belts? Here's a thought? don't care so much about were the wrestler came from or how old they are and just enjoy the wrestling. Big deal if Sting won one half of the tag titles. Sorry if it wasn't LAX as tag champion. Did you see who were tag champion on Raw last year? Piper and Flair and they were planned to have a long title run before Piper got cancer. No matter what happens nobody is ever happy. TNA is so screwed anyway, I'm not behind it as much as I once was because the titles are meaningless and as long as that ass Russo is booking it, it never going to get better. TNA will never be that great because they always had a crappy booking team. They once had the best matches on PPV. They mean nothing if you can't book a good angle or build the matches to were it means a damn. TNA can't never seem to do that. They never were able to. There is a reason why with the talent they have and trust me the talent is there. But they can't make money. Sure they are getting close but they should had made money long time ago. No matter were the wrestler comes from. Who cares if the WWE released him. He can still be a major star. WWE isn't perfect and the soon people get that. The better. The problem is not that they have imports in the main event scene or that they have a hard on for any WWE reject they can get to hire, it is that said imports are ridiculously dominant over the rest of the talent. In the last few years(say since Christian joined) who that wasnt already famous from other bigger companys has heald the world heavyweight title? Correct me if im wrong but I can only think of Abyss, a transitional champ that only won the belt because all migthy Sting got pissed and put a ref througth a table. wow, way to pass the torch there... Its past due time Joe got the belt, instead he has jobbed for Angle 3 out of 4 matches theyve had... he should consider himselve lucky tho, at least hes a jobber to the stars as no one else but him and Abyss seems to even get a shot at being in the main event witougth having been on the WWE, exept of course for Chris Harris so he can remind us "There is no glass celling in TNA" wich is only sligthly less ironic than "we are wrestling".... Ohhh but it doesnt mather no homegrowns get the belts because the titles are worthless?! so why are they worthless? Because they deicded to usem all as props and put em in a WWE gu.. sorry a TNA guy, I keep forgeting... Yes, its good you get guys with recognition factor but if they are not willing or worst yet you as a company dont feel they should put over the younger talent they are compleatley worthless as they will soon retire and you will be left with nothing. They shouldnt just got there and job randomly but should put over a few hand picked guys who should be the future of the company.
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Post by Lionheart on Aug 29, 2007 0:10:14 GMT -5
A four-way match for a single belt representing one half of a tag team championship. Two of those four guys are ex WWE/WCW guys, and one of them wins. The only thing that would make it even more TNA-ish is if the belt was on a pole. Good job, TNA. To thine one self be true. All the way to bankruptcy. How else would you have liked the title to be decided? Would you rather that Angle would have just randomly picked someone and announced him as his co-champion, or that Angle would have just defended the belts by himself? I would have liked for a single wrestler never to win both tag titles at all. But as long as two different guys have done it on their own already, why does Angle need a partner all of a sudden? I'd like for Angle to have the tag titles taken away from him in a handicap match against a real tag team. The fact that the storyline is in such a situation that we need to have a match to decide one half of the tag team championship in the first place, and that on top of that it isn't even consistent with the booking previously, is exemplary of how laughable convoluted TNA's writing is.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 29, 2007 0:21:46 GMT -5
Dear Vince McMahon, Please just buy TNA and put us all out of our misery. Thanks. That's like asking General Idi Amin Dada to step in and clean up Iraq. Will Forrest Whittaker play Vince?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 29, 2007 0:26:01 GMT -5
The problem is not that they have imports in the main event scene or that they have a hard on for any WWE reject they can get to hire, it is that said imports are ridiculously dominant over the rest of the talent. In the last few years(say since Christian joined) who that wasnt already famous from other bigger companys has heald the world heavyweight title? Correct me if im wrong but I can only think of Abyss, a transitional champ that only won the belt because all migthy Sting got pissed and put a ref througth a table. wow, way to pass the torch there... Well just looking at the World Title which is usually the focus of the show (which except for a 3 month period where the X Title was made to be as important), in TNA's history AJ and Abyss are the only ones to hold the World Title and not be a WCW or WWE guy (Killings is in this weird gray area where he wasn't a major player in WWE but, was still got a solid run as K-Kwik). They only held the belt a combined 252 days (371 if you count Killings) in TNA's 5 year history. Compare that to the 1489 days (1608 if you count Killings)* by the other and TNA has never really given anyone else a huge chance to shine. Depending on how you look at it, that is either good business since they are a new company and trying to make a name for itself or bad business as they aren't creating a new star to become their face of the future. *and counting with Angle currently holding the belt.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 29, 2007 0:29:57 GMT -5
I have said before that a few of the guys who worked for WWE who have signed with TNA are understandable main event pushers as they were never allowed to become what they should have been (like Christian Cage, Ron Killings, Raven, Rhino & Matt Morgan)
But there are two kinds of these old performers I dont like infesting TNA. Its the guys who already had their oppurtunity to shine (Kurt Angle, Sting) and the guys who dont deserve any higher status than what they were dealt with elsewhere (Test). Those groups of ex-big company guys bother me with a newer product. TNA seems to have alot of the first group as far as tag teams are concerned.
If TNA is to be the real alternative to WWE programming, then they need to bring in more pro wrestling and less storylines because WWE is more storylines and less pro wrestling. They also need to stop having these damn specialty matches where the rules are so vague that it would confuse even most of the smarks.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 29, 2007 15:16:21 GMT -5
Well Sting was also a trational champion. He held a month also. Now this is why I said the titles are meaningless. Because there title changes happen like every month. Sting wanted Abyss to beat him clean but the crappy booking team didn't. I mean look at TNA title history. Outside of Jarrett and Christian. Nobody has a title run passed 3 months as World Champion. Outside of Abyss and Styles. Everyone who held that titles was a former WCW/ECW/WWE star. Ron Killings was in WWE but TNA made him a main eventer and I believed he was good in that role.
Agreed that Joe should been champion. Hell he should been champion a year ago. But welcome to TNA booking. moves like these is why I lost a lot of faith in them.
That is why there worthless. You can't have a lot of creditablity in a title when it changes hands every month or week at times. You can't estabish much with that. The title changes doesn't mean that much as it would have if the new champion ends a somewhat lengthy title run. In the last three months TNA tag titles changed hands 3 times. It went from Team CD, to Samoa Joe, to Angle. Tag titles on a single wrestler without a partner.
So TNA makes a match to decide Angle's Partner. What happened to the real Tag Team or at less the guy picking his own partners. No TNA goes lets pick four guys and have a four way match. Half of them have nothing to do with Angle at all.
How can it mean a lot for a tites when all of them are held by one guy who is defending them in three matches. How dumb is that? At less when the day someone beats John Cena will be have a lot of meaning.
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Post by Monster Heel #2 on Aug 29, 2007 15:23:37 GMT -5
You should tag this as a spoiler. TNA spoilers don't need tags because that would mean people want to actually watch it. And to the original poster - your example you provided was nothing. What epitomizes TNA? In 2007, feeding Shelley & Sabin to freakin' Road Dogg & Billy Gunn in a match that goes on for less than five minutes.
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Post by ddt on Aug 29, 2007 15:38:59 GMT -5
It's funny.
People were complaining that TNA gave Angle vs. Sting away on free tv instead of on a PPV, saying that putting it on PPV would do better business. Sting and Angle being tag champs will likely lead to a feud between the two, which will lead to PPV matches between the two, which is what people wanted. But still, people are complaining -- this time, that Sting won, and not a "TNA-groomed" wrestler. They want a Sting/Angle feud, but they don't want it to start. If you want it, it has to start off some way -- and we've all seen worse starts to feuds....much, much worse starts.
Then there's the whole "WCW/WWE guys" argument. First of all, will those guys be labeled "WCW/WWE guys" for life, no matter how much time they spend in TNA? Secondly, people complain that McMahon never pushed/pushes "WCW guys"; now they're complaining because TNA is pushing "WCW/WWE guys". So which is it? Should a promoter push only his own guys, or give some push to former members of the promoter's rival?
I'm not saying what TNA is doing is right, but will the complainers please find something to enjoy already? If you are so determined to find faults with TNA, no matter what the company does, then don't watch. Just don't watch.
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Post by Monster Heel #2 on Aug 29, 2007 15:40:48 GMT -5
I don't watch that garbage. Can't speak for anyone else though.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 29, 2007 15:41:25 GMT -5
*reads a bit*
Heh, Jeff Jerrett doesn't even count as a "TNA Guy"? He freakin' started TNA, and he's still considered a "WWEWCW reject"?
I dunno, I find that funny for some reason.
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