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Post by Single H on Aug 14, 2008 7:59:22 GMT -5
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Eh, Steve Austin legit beat up Debra repeatedly until she bled in real life and he is still getting some of the biggest pops in history.
Meanwhile, Triple H is getting trashed for the WAY worse crime of alleged backstage politics and John Cena for... being over with kids, I guess. Anyway, he's being hated for some reason.
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Yeah the world of Professional wrestling sure is a back wards one a Lot of the time. The thing is the fans don't have any proof that Triple H has any word what so ever in what actually happens during the matches and who wins title. He before he married Steph was well on the way to becoming a WWF/e CHAMPION. HE WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN A LEGEND AND MULTI TIME WWE CHAMPION WHETHER HE MARRIED THE BOSSES DAUGHTER OR NOT IS BESIDES THE POINT. It's a business and run like any other business Vince is not just going to let and book his son in law to be a legend if they don';t think he is up to the task. Which obviously HHH is.
Also Vince McMahon forced Owen to take part in the st8nt which caused him to plummet to his death (knowing well that all precautions to avoid an accident had not been taken and that the guy he was preforming the stunt in no way wanted to do it and that the guy who was assisting In the stunt was in no way qualified to do so and he probably knew about the rope and harness not being anywhere near strong enough to hold Owen) Vince McMahon is a real life murderer. It's his responsibility to make sure his staff work in a safe environment one of them got killed in horrible circumstances thanks to McMahon. Everyone seems to look over that face and boo/cheer McMahon and still watch his product in the millions anyway.
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Post by ddt on Aug 14, 2008 10:15:18 GMT -5
. Supported. Back to the topic at hand, I find pretty much all backstage skits to be wrestlecrap. Can we nominate the top five to induct as one entry? -- the Worst of Backstage Skits.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 14, 2008 13:25:07 GMT -5
. Supported. Back to the topic at hand, I find pretty much all backstage skits to be wrestlecrap. Can we nominate the top five to induct as one entry? -- the Worst of Backstage Skits. I second that idea! Actually, some top 5 or 10 every now and then could be pretty fun. Worst backstage skits, worst finishers, worst attires, worst gimmicks, worst entrances, etc...
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Post by Indigocrates on Aug 14, 2008 13:44:38 GMT -5
Los Luchadores
I can't be the only one who remembers this abyssmal kids show from the late 90's (It WAS on Fox though, so I shouldn't be surprised).
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Post by Single H on Aug 14, 2008 17:11:16 GMT -5
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Back to the topic at hand, I find pretty much all backstage skits to be wrestlecrap. Can we nominate the top five to induct as one entry? -- the Worst of Backstage Skits.[/quote]
We would probably be reading and nominating backstage skits for the next 5 years if this was the case. There as so many very horrible backstage skits in the history of professional wresting
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Post by h on Aug 14, 2008 17:42:46 GMT -5
Also Vince McMahon forced Owen to take part in the st8nt which caused him to plummet to his death (knowing well that all precautions to avoid an accident had not been taken and that the guy he was preforming the stunt in no way wanted to do it and that the guy who was assisting In the stunt was in no way qualified to do so and he probably knew about the rope and harness not being anywhere near strong enough to hold Owen[/i]) Vince McMahon is a real life murderer. It's his responsibility to make sure his staff work in a safe environment one of them got killed in horrible circumstances thanks to McMahon. Everyone seems to look over that face and boo/cheer McMahon and still watch his product in the millions anyway. [/quote]
As much as I hate Vince McMahon, this is a ridiculous claim. Are you seriously saying that you believe that Vince McMahon was fully aware in advance that the stunt would cause Owen's death? If you think he was fully aware that the equipment would malfunction, you're accusing him of premeditated murder. Even I don't believe this to be the case.
I think he is guilty of negligence, lack of concern for his employees, lies about a drug testing program that never existed, and fattening up athletes until their hearts stop beating. Premeditated murder is a stretch, though.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 15, 2008 16:21:42 GMT -5
Also Vince McMahon forced Owen to take part in the st8nt which caused him to plummet to his death (knowing well that all precautions to avoid an accident had not been taken and that the guy he was preforming the stunt in no way wanted to do it and that the guy who was assisting In the stunt was in no way qualified to do so and he probably knew about the rope and harness not being anywhere near strong enough to hold Owen) Vince McMahon is a real life murderer. It's his responsibility to make sure his staff work in a safe environment one of them got killed in horrible circumstances thanks to McMahon. Everyone seems to look over that face and boo/cheer McMahon and still watch his product in the millions anyway. With all due respect, that claim is ridiculous. How could Vince McMahon know the equipment wasn't good enough? Is he supposed to be a professional stuntman or something? I mean, if the guys responsible of the equipment tell him it's fine, he's gonna believe him, and so would I, because HE is the professional who is supposed to be able to spot problems. Also, what reason could Vince potentially have to make Owen fall to his death? He was a highly popular guy who drew a lot of money, he was respected, and a death on the scene would only bring a bad reputation on the WWE and make it lose credibility, audience and therefore, money (which is exactly what happened) so I don't see why he would have sent him do a potentially lethal stunt. Beside, calling him a murderer is flat-out defamatory. The only way he could be called that would be if he intentionally set up the ropes to make Owen fall. And if you're gonna accuse anyone of this, you'd better have flawless evidences. Sorry but that's just smarkish bulls***.
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Post by h on Aug 15, 2008 23:05:26 GMT -5
..but it's time to get this thread back on track.
So, with that said, how about that Mr. Bob Backlund?
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Post by Rave on Aug 16, 2008 2:41:21 GMT -5
Since Yukon John Nord was inducted, his tag team partner absolutely MUST be inducted: Flapjack Scott Norton! I saw this on a re-broadcast of 1990 AWA TV recently and was torn between laughter and absolute pity. What a horrible gimmick
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 17, 2008 1:55:17 GMT -5
if i were to induct anythign from the glory days of British Wrestling id induct Kendo Nagasaki's unmasking. looksie!!: To be honest, while the setting is the best it could be, that's actually a pretty neat way to send off/retire a masked gimmick. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Aug 17, 2008 3:19:46 GMT -5
My Favorite Piece of Wrestlecrap. And It's never inducted.
The Revolution Declaring Themselves as a Country!
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Post by Single H on Aug 17, 2008 16:14:03 GMT -5
With all due respect, that claim is ridiculous. How could Vince McMahon know the equipment wasn't good enough? Is he supposed to be a professional stuntman or something? I mean, if the guys responsible of the equipment tell him it's fine, he's gonna believe him, and so would I, because HE is the professional who is supposed to be able to spot problems. Also, what reason could Vince potentially have to make Owen fall to his death? He was a highly popular guy who drew a lot of money, he was respected, and a death on the scene would only bring a bad reputation on the WWE and make it lose credibility, audience and therefore, money (which is exactly what happened) so I don't see why he would have sent him do a potentially lethal stunt. Beside, calling him a murderer is flat-out defamatory. The only way he could be called that would be if he intentionally set up the ropes to make Owen fall. And if you're gonna accuse anyone of this, you'd better have flawless evidences. This is just my strong opinion (I obviously can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt that Vince McMahon did purposely cause Owen Harts death. However no one can prove that he did not purposely cause Owens death either). Owen Hart did have a genuine fear of heights he (under no circumstances) wanted to preform that stunt. He was forced into it by McMahon (yes by the other bookers also. However it is McMahon's company and he is in charge at the end of the day what goes and what does not go). With his genuine fear of heights and not wanting to do the stunt. Vince should have personally made sure (so he could have put Owen at ease about the stunt). That it would go without a glitch or without any accidents occurring. HE did not bother to do this. He also hired someone who was not experienced or qualified enough to assist Owen with the stunt (the person who was hired had only assisted and watched someone else preform the stunt once or twice before). Vince McMahon would have known this. As he hired that person to help Owen and supervise the stunt with Owen. Why would he hire someone who was not qualified to assist with the stunt by any means (it's the same as getting employed for any job. The employer would want to check references and take details to make sure the person is qualified. WWF would not just hire any person to perform a stunt with as high a risk factor as this one had). McMahon is not sup;posed to be a professional stunt man but the person he hired is supposed to be. Also the rope and harness should have had a double and triple safety check (by WWF staff). To make sure that there was nothing being over looked. They are not just going to say 'ya if you say so whatever yawn'. There is a guys safety (and ultimately life on the line). They would have checked the rope and harness for anything which may have went wrong with the equipment. Owen once was a highly p[opular performer in WWF. He over the past few months leading up to Over The Edge (even since Bret Hart had left the company. On bad terms with Vince McMahon). Was headed back down the card and was made pretty much a joke of 'Blue Blazer gimmick'. Mostly coming from Owen trying to get out of his contract and follow Bret Hart to WCW. Vince would not let him go and his contract was coming to an end any way. Owen was not a draw at that time for WWF. No one came to see 'The Blue Blazer'. Vince was mostly taking another shot at Owen (out of frustration of the Montreal incident and the Harts and Bulldog going to WCW). Over The Edge was just the tip of the iceberg (yes it did gain some bad publicity for WWF. However it was an accident and not purpose. So it would not gain to much bad publicity for WWF. It was after all put down as just being a horrendous accident.) If you ever watch the begging promo for Over The Edge watch The Undertaker and what his character says about that night (yes it was just a promo but scripted by McMahon). Over The Edge (name of the PPV) and Undertaker beat Stone Coled for the WWF Championship at the end of the night (which should have been changed out of respect for Owen). Just my opinions and some food for thought. You don't have to agree with me.l Just putting some thoughts out and you can't say with being 100 per cent certain that you know that Owen Harts death was nothing but a horrible accident with nothing else behind it. It may have been but then again maybe not
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Aug 18, 2008 20:48:39 GMT -5
In The Death of WCW, there's reference to a Kevin Nash-booked episode of Nitro that had zero wrestling in the first hour. None. Not one single match. You might recall that Nitro was a wrestling show. Just a bunch of skits.
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Post by Jock Ass on Aug 18, 2008 22:00:03 GMT -5
With all due respect, that claim is ridiculous. How could Vince McMahon know the equipment wasn't good enough? Is he supposed to be a professional stuntman or something? I mean, if the guys responsible of the equipment tell him it's fine, he's gonna believe him, and so would I, because HE is the professional who is supposed to be able to spot problems. Also, what reason could Vince potentially have to make Owen fall to his death? He was a highly popular guy who drew a lot of money, he was respected, and a death on the scene would only bring a bad reputation on the WWE and make it lose credibility, audience and therefore, money (which is exactly what happened) so I don't see why he would have sent him do a potentially lethal stunt. Beside, calling him a murderer is flat-out defamatory. The only way he could be called that would be if he intentionally set up the ropes to make Owen fall. And if you're gonna accuse anyone of this, you'd better have flawless evidences. This is just my strong opinion (I obviously can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt that Vince McMahon did purposely cause Owen Harts death. However no one can prove that he did not purposely cause Owens death either). Owen Hart did have a genuine fear of heights he (under no circumstances) wanted to preform that stunt. He was forced into it by McMahon (yes by the other bookers also. However it is McMahon's company and he is in charge at the end of the day what goes and what does not go). With his genuine fear of heights and not wanting to do the stunt. Vince should have personally made sure (so he could have put Owen at ease about the stunt). That it would go without a glitch or without any accidents occurring. HE did not bother to do this. He also hired someone who was not experienced or qualified enough to assist Owen with the stunt (the person who was hired had only assisted and watched someone else preform the stunt once or twice before). Vince McMahon would have known this. As he hired that person to help Owen and supervise the stunt with Owen. Why would he hire someone who was not qualified to assist with the stunt by any means (it's the same as getting employed for any job. The employer would want to check references and take details to make sure the person is qualified. WWF would not just hire any person to perform a stunt with as high a risk factor as this one had). McMahon is not sup;posed to be a professional stunt man but the person he hired is supposed to be. Also the rope and harness should have had a double and triple safety check (by WWF staff). To make sure that there was nothing being over looked. They are not just going to say 'ya if you say so whatever yawn'. There is a guys safety (and ultimately life on the line). They would have checked the rope and harness for anything which may have went wrong with the equipment. Owen once was a highly p[opular performer in WWF. He over the past few months leading up to Over The Edge (even since Bret Hart had left the company. On bad terms with Vince McMahon). Was headed back down the card and was made pretty much a joke of 'Blue Blazer gimmick'. Mostly coming from Owen trying to get out of his contract and follow Bret Hart to WCW. Vince would not let him go and his contract was coming to an end any way. Owen was not a draw at that time for WWF. No one came to see 'The Blue Blazer'. Vince was mostly taking another shot at Owen (out of frustration of the Montreal incident and the Harts and Bulldog going to WCW). Over The Edge was just the tip of the iceberg (yes it did gain some bad publicity for WWF. However it was an accident and not purpose. So it would not gain to much bad publicity for WWF. It was after all put down as just being a horrendous accident.) If you ever watch the begging promo for Over The Edge watch The Undertaker and what his character says about that night (yes it was just a promo but scripted by McMahon). Over The Edge (name of the PPV) and Undertaker beat Stone Coled for the WWF Championship at the end of the night (which should have been changed out of respect for Owen). Just my opinions and some food for thought. You don't have to agree with me.l Just putting some thoughts out and you can't say with being 100 per cent certain that you know that Owen Harts death was nothing but a horrible accident with nothing else behind it. It may have been but then again maybe not To paraphrase Vince Russo's comments about this from the Ultimate Insider's DVD, he said that the stunt was never a part of the original script; and that if Owen would have said that he didn't feel comfortable about it/not wanting to do it, then it would have been removed, end of story.
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Post by thewickedclown on Aug 18, 2008 22:12:16 GMT -5
This may have already been inducted but I remember this match with Owen Heart and Ken Shamrock in a MMA like cage without any cage fighting. I think they called it the Lions Den. What I remembered after the match was JR said it was an unbelievable, one of the best matches he has ever saw and we'll see more Lions Den matches to come. Of course we never did.
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Post by thewickedclown on Aug 18, 2008 22:17:08 GMT -5
Since Yukon John Nord was inducted, his tag team partner absolutely MUST be inducted: Flapjack Scott Norton! I saw this on a re-broadcast of 1990 AWA TV recently and was torn between laughter and absolute pity. What a horrible gimmick I've been watching old AWA shows on ESPN Classic as well and like you coulden't help but laugh. I think the whole AWA from 1988 to it's death in 1990 should be inducted. Once Kurt Hennig left the AWA just went south pretty fast.
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Post by Single H on Aug 19, 2008 13:28:01 GMT -5
To paraphrase Vince Russo's comments about this from the Ultimate Insider's DVD, he said that the stunt was never a part of the original script; and that if Owen would have said that he didn't feel comfortable about it/not wanting to do it, then it would have been removed, end of story. Ya becuase Vince Russo is the most trust worthy and truthfull person ever when it comes to wrestlnig knowlage and history
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Post by bob on Aug 19, 2008 13:40:59 GMT -5
Abyss vs Sting Last Rites match
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Post by Rave on Aug 19, 2008 23:41:43 GMT -5
Since Yukon John Nord was inducted, his tag team partner absolutely MUST be inducted: Flapjack Scott Norton! I saw this on a re-broadcast of 1990 AWA TV recently and was torn between laughter and absolute pity. What a horrible gimmick I've been watching old AWA shows on ESPN Classic as well and like you coulden't help but laugh. I think the whole AWA from 1988 to it's death in 1990 should be inducted. Once Kurt Hennig left the AWA just went south pretty fast. The main reason why the AWA died was already inducted (Team Challenge Series, which should be attributed to Greg Gagne and not Bischoff), but there were tons more sadly hysterical stuff that happened from 1988 on. I remember one episode where Madusa showed up in bright red feetie pajamas (she was forced to wear them as part of a stipulation), and I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 20, 2008 4:26:16 GMT -5
Abyss vs Sting Last Rites match I still don't get why people hated that match so much. The stipulation was basically a casket match with a different name, and I thought the match wasn't half bad. Also, how could I forget that SD vs Raw 2007 storyline in which you feud against Candice Michelle (and a bit against Edge). You get turned into a woman, you fight two Boogeyman (one of them being Arab speaking because he originally was Daivari) among other joyful stupidities. And of course, the big twist no-one (read: everyone) saw coming is that IT WAS JUST A DREAM. Oh, Viscera wants to date you, too.
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