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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 7, 2008 11:39:56 GMT -5
My best (made up) guess would be that there are physiological differences between whiny farm boys and walrus men. Or maybe it's because Ben had just turned his saber on and it hadn't had much time to heat up, whereas Vader's had been on for quite a while. The real world scenario is probably that the camera spends alot of time on Luke after his hand gets lopped off. If he were squirting blood for 10 minutes at the end of the film they'd be merging into slasher film territory. Tom Savini was busy that day.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Feb 7, 2008 13:33:54 GMT -5
Hayden Christiansen's spirit at the end of the reworked Jedi doesn't really make much sense. yes it does, That was how anakin looked before he turned to the sith, if anything it adds consistancy to all six films. That said i dont like how he appears after both yoda and obi wan, he shouldnt draw soo much attention to it they should just have him stood there like he used to be But he turned against the Sith at the end of Jedi. So surely his ghost should've been that of Sebastian Shaw and not Hayden Christiansen? |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 7, 2008 13:34:38 GMT -5
Wondering the same thing. Also, I might be wrong (my SW knowledge being not so big), but if I remember correctly, the Siths are Jedis as well (they just chose the path of the sark side), so why don' t their bodies disappear either when they die ? At the very end of Revenge of the Sith, Yoda tells Obi Wan that Qui Gon's spirit or essence or something has managed to return and that he's learned new secrets of the Force. Supposedly that's the great explanation of why Obi Wan and Yoda disappear, they're voluntarily joining the Force rather than just dying. Basically. Apparently Qui-Gon had been studying the relationship between the spirit and the Force prior to his death, it allowed him to not just disperse into the Force, he remained together in spirit. Qui-Gon taught Yoda and Obi-Won about the link, and they merged rather than dying. |
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 7, 2008 13:37:19 GMT -5
yes it does, That was how anakin looked before he turned to the sith, if anything it adds consistancy to all six films. That said i dont like how he appears after both yoda and obi wan, he shouldnt draw soo much attention to it they should just have him stood there like he used to be But he turned against the Sith at the end of Jedi. So surely his ghost should've been that of Sebastian Shaw and not Hayden Christiansen? I always figure he return to his younger self because that was the only time he was happy |
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Feb 7, 2008 13:52:57 GMT -5
Ok. Firstly, I'm going to assume that you've seen the Empire Strikes Back. If you haven't, then... 1) Leave the thread right now 2) What's the weather like on Mars? Anyway. At the end of Empire when Vader cuts Luke's hand off there is no blood. Anyone care to enlighten me as to why? Be as geeky with your Star Wars viewpoints as you want. And before anyone says it's because the lightsaber cauterizes the wound, why in A New Hope when that thing gets his arm lopped off in the Cantina is there blood next to it? Is it inconsistency? That wasn't HIS blood in Ep. IV. After Obi Wan permanently disabled the guy, he spilled his drink. Which was blood. Remember his tusks were all red at the tip? Makes sense, doesn't it? |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 7, 2008 13:59:39 GMT -5
But he turned against the Sith at the end of Jedi. So surely his ghost should've been that of Sebastian Shaw and not Hayden Christiansen? I always figure he return to his younger self because that was the only time he was happy ...and the last time he was truly human, and not a machine for the most part. |
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Post by Mother on Feb 7, 2008 14:45:17 GMT -5
I always figure he return to his younger self because that was the only time he was happy ...and the last time he was truly human, and not a machine for the most part. But should'nt have Luke been like...WTF who are you? |
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 7, 2008 15:07:01 GMT -5
...and the last time he was truly human, and not a machine for the most part. But should'nt have Luke been like...WTF who are you? Yeah. I don't know how the Force works or anything so I can't argue with Mr Lucas on the point. But I have to ask this: If you were Luke and you finally got the chance to talk to your father and have a relationship with him, wouldn't it be a tad um.....awkward to take fatherly type advice from some kid who looks younger than you? |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 7, 2008 15:25:24 GMT -5
But should'nt have Luke been like...WTF who are you? Yeah. I don't know how the Force works or anything so I can't argue with Mr Lucas on the point. But I have to ask this: If you were Luke and you finally got the chance to talk to your father and have a relationship with him, wouldn't it be a tad um.....awkard to take fatherly type advice from some kid who looks younger than you? Well, I don't think the ghosts are just going to be living with Luke from here on out. It's not like it's going to become 'Three Ghosts and a Jedi'. So it's not like he has to see him all the time. Plus, I don't think it would be any more awkward then learning your father is a maniacly, evil, jedi-killing, cyborg man that is leading the Empire to control the galaxy through might. I think if Luke can accept that almost 7 foot tall, Scuba-masking-breathing, evil man is his father, he can accept a ghost of a young man. Besides, all that isn't even a real plot problem, it's just a personal problem for a character. |
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Post by Bobafett on Feb 7, 2008 15:25:30 GMT -5
hmm..ever thought whats on the floor isn't blood..think on it..they are in a seedy dive of a cantina for all we know walrus man knocke over someones drink at the bar and his arm fell next to the spilled liquid
though heres a question, Owen and Beru surely musta been told that vader hadn't to know he had a son, so 1) why didn't they take the Organas lead and adopt Luke so he had the Lars name..and 2) they woulda let Luke join the Academy..it wasn't a revel academy but the Imperial..think on that..Vader woulda put 2 and 2 together (this was actually brought up in the expanded universe, the character Corran Horn caled Luke out over these things ). so why didn't they?
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 7, 2008 15:29:25 GMT -5
hmm..ever thought whats on the floor isn't blood..think on it..they are in a seedy dive of a cantina for all we know walrus man knocke over someones drink at the bar and his arm fell next to the spilled liquid though heres a question, Owen and Beru surely musta been told that vader hadn't to know he had a son, so 1) why didn't they take the Organas lead and adopt Luke so he had the Lars name..and 2) they woulda let Luke join the Academy..it wasn't a revel academy but the Imperial..think on that..Vader woulda put 2 and 2 together (this was actually brought up in the expanded universe, the character Corran Horn caled Luke out over these things ). so why didn't they? Maybe that's why Owen kept stalling Luke when it came to actually leaving? Remember he was like "I need you another year" and Luke was like "You say that every year!" |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 7, 2008 16:25:58 GMT -5
hmm..ever thought whats on the floor isn't blood..think on it..they are in a seedy dive of a cantina for all we know walrus man knocke over someones drink at the bar and his arm fell next to the spilled liquid though heres a question, Owen and Beru surely musta been told that vader hadn't to know he had a son, so 1) why didn't they take the Organas lead and adopt Luke so he had the Lars name..and 2) they woulda let Luke join the Academy..it wasn't a revel academy but the Imperial..think on that..Vader woulda put 2 and 2 together (this was actually brought up in the expanded universe, the character Corran Horn caled Luke out over these things ). so why didn't they? The Lars were actually known in their community. It was apparently common knowledge that Beru could not have a kid, so they could not fake that. They could not claim that he was the child of a sibling, because everyone knew that they had none. People did know about Owen having a step-brother named Skywalker, so they had to keep that name. It really was not an issue, since few kneww that Lord Vader was a Skywalker. On the other end, no one knew that Luke was even alive, so he was relatively safe. |
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Post by B'Cup x on Feb 7, 2008 19:19:07 GMT -5
I bring this up in every star wars thread but can someone answer me this: At the end of revenge they make a point of showing Organa instructing that C3POs mind should be erased, tho nothing is said of R2D2s? So are we to assume he knows all the anakin is darth vader crap and just decides not to share it with anyone? that scene always sat uneasy with me.
also, where the hell did his jetpacks go? and how come we see no familiar ships in the imperial armada despite it being set 20 yrs MAX before a new hope?
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Post by Zombie Mod on Feb 7, 2008 19:55:55 GMT -5
it wasnt blood.... he just got excited by the pain?
i'll go with "the lightsabre pushed the arm off not cut it off, hence the blood."
for the r2d2 question, well all through out the movies r2 insults, sulks, swears, is generally a pain in the arse so even if he did say they probably wouldnt believe him.
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Post by Grendel on Feb 7, 2008 20:22:43 GMT -5
hmm..ever thought whats on the floor isn't blood..think on it..they are in a seedy dive of a cantina for all we know walrus man knocke over someones drink at the bar and his arm fell next to the spilled liquid though heres a question, Owen and Beru surely musta been told that vader hadn't to know he had a son, so 1) why didn't they take the Organas lead and adopt Luke so he had the Lars name..and 2) they woulda let Luke join the Academy..it wasn't a revel academy but the Imperial..think on that..Vader woulda put 2 and 2 together (this was actually brought up in the expanded universe, the character Corran Horn caled Luke out over these things ). so why didn't they? Maybe that's why Owen kept stalling Luke when it came to actually leaving? Remember he was like "I need you another year" and Luke was like "You say that every year!" Maybe Luke said that because he was a whiny bitch? Hey, I love the movies, but when I watched them as an adult, Luke came off as a whiny, yet cocky bitch in the first movie. Or maybe it's just me? |
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 7, 2008 20:27:01 GMT -5
Maybe that's why Owen kept stalling Luke when it came to actually leaving? Remember he was like "I need you another year" and Luke was like "You say that every year!" Maybe Luke said that because he was a whiny bitch? Hey, I love the movies, but when I watched them as an adult, Luke came off as a whiny, yet cocky bitch in the first movie. Or maybe it's just me? It's not just you. He's probably supposed to come off like that though. He is playing a teenager. |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 7, 2008 21:41:40 GMT -5
I bring this up in every star wars thread but can someone answer me this: At the end of revenge they make a point of showing Organa instructing that C3POs mind should be erased, tho nothing is said of R2D2s? So are we to assume he knows all the anakin is darth vader crap and just decides not to share it with anyone? that scene always sat uneasy with me. I've long said this, too. Since Luke can pretty much understand the bleeps and blorps that come from R2, why isn't R2 going "DUDE! THAT'S YOUR DAD!" |
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 7, 2008 21:44:48 GMT -5
Did Artoo know that Padme was pregnant with twins? If so, he should've been telling Leia about her father too. And he should've been grossed out when Leia tongue kissed her brother.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 7, 2008 21:49:00 GMT -5
he should've been grossed out when Leia tongue kissed her brother. Maybe Artoo get's off on that kind of thing. Degenerate droid. |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 7, 2008 22:00:09 GMT -5
The Droids got their memories wiped. It blatantly says that at the end of Episode III. Just because they don't mention R2 by name doesn't mean they don't get him as well. Maybe that's why Owen kept stalling Luke when it came to actually leaving? Remember he was like "I need you another year" and Luke was like "You say that every year!" Maybe Luke said that because he was a whiny bitch? Hey, I love the movies, but when I watched them as an adult, Luke came off as a whiny, yet cocky bitch in the first movie. Or maybe it's just me? He was supposed to. He was just a whiney teenager that didn't know what's what in the world. As the movies progressed he progressed as a character and a person. |
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