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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:30:36 GMT -5
The same Shawn Michaels who had Jeff Hardy beat him clean in the ring last week which if you didn't read the spoilers, most would not have believed that Shawn would lose to him. Hardly grasping the spotlight, and it's not as if they have a whole slew of guys ready to take their place. Who would you suggest? Carlito? Kennedy? Londrick? Snitsky? There's not much you can go with that would make the fans give a crap. How about wwe actually trying to create some new compelling storylines for those guys? Best thing they come up with are incest angles? Too bad trips wasnt stuck with that one. Thats what sucks about it today. Even though there used to be guys stuck with crappy gimmicks 20-25 years ago, they still found SOMETHING for them to do. Not just throw all of them out there with no purpose or logic. We could start with HHH and HBK backstage. HHH looks into a mirror, and sees a visage of...the Warrior! HBK looks, and doesn't see anything. Then, maybe the WWE could install trapdoors in the ring, and have Cena fall onto one and break his shoulder. Then Warrior can come in and cream all three of them with three shoulder tackles and a splash onto all three simultaneously and win all the belts at once. The end.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 18, 2008 23:31:18 GMT -5
The same Shawn Michaels who had Jeff Hardy beat him clean in the ring last week which if you didn't read the spoilers, most would not have believed that Shawn would lose to him. Hardly grasping the spotlight, and it's not as if they have a whole slew of guys ready to take their place. Who would you suggest? Carlito? Kennedy? Londrick? Snitsky? There's not much you can go with that would make the fans give a crap. How about wwe actually trying to create some new compelling storylines for those guys? Best thing they come up with are incest angles? Too bad trips wasnt stuck with that one. Thats what sucks about it today. Even though there used to be guys stuck with crappy gimmicks 10-25 years ago, they still found SOMETHING for them to do. Not just throw all of them out there with no purpose or logic. Today, it seems if you arent one of the top top tier of guys 6-7 or so you are pretty much fodder. The guys stuck with crappy gimmicks then are not around now. Even Triple H's Conneticut blueblood gimmick is a classic idea.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 18, 2008 23:31:20 GMT -5
The same Shawn Michaels who had Jeff Hardy beat him clean in the ring last week which if you didn't read the spoilers, most would not have believed that Shawn would lose to him. Hardly grasping the spotlight, and it's not as if they have a whole slew of guys ready to take their place. Who would you suggest? Carlito? Kennedy? Londrick? Snitsky? There's not much you can go with that would make the fans give a crap. How about wwe actually trying to create some new compelling storylines for those guys? Best thing they come up with are incest angles? Too bad trips wasnt stuck with that one. Thats what sucks about it today. Even though there used to be guys stuck with crappy gimmicks 10-25 years ago, they still found SOMETHING for them to do. Not just throw all of them out there with no purpose or logic. Today, it seems if you arent one of the top top tier of guys 6-7 or so you are pretty much fodder. NO, what sucks about "today". Are being aware of fans such as yourself, and sharing a message board with them
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Post by saggyboyflair on Feb 18, 2008 23:32:13 GMT -5
enough of the warrior references. Who will not only wrestling fans or non wrestling fans remember more when its all over? A household name Warrior or a guy only wrestling fans will remember in Triple H? Case closed
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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:32:29 GMT -5
How about wwe actually trying to create some new compelling storylines for those guys? Best thing they come up with are incest angles? Too bad trips wasnt stuck with that one. Thats what sucks about it today. Even though there used to be guys stuck with crappy gimmicks 10-25 years ago, they still found SOMETHING for them to do. Not just throw all of them out there with no purpose or logic. Today, it seems if you arent one of the top top tier of guys 6-7 or so you are pretty much fodder. NO, what sucks about "today". Are being aware of fans such as yourself, and sharing a message board with them I'll go along with his idea, provided it all leads to a sudden re-emergence and mega push of Mordecai. Otherwise, his point is moot.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 18, 2008 23:32:34 GMT -5
How about wwe actually trying to create some new compelling storylines for those guys? Best thing they come up with are incest angles? Too bad trips wasnt stuck with that one. Thats what sucks about it today. Even though there used to be guys stuck with crappy gimmicks 20-25 years ago, they still found SOMETHING for them to do. Not just throw all of them out there with no purpose or logic. We could start with HHH and HBK backstage. HHH looks into a mirror, and sees a visage of...the Warrior! HBK looks, and doesn't see anything. Then, maybe the WWE could install trapdoors in the ring, and have Cena fall onto one and break his shoulder. Then Warrior can come in and cream all three of them with three shoulder tackles and a splash onto all three simultaneously and win all the belts at once. The end. That one visual was better for Saggy than a years subscription to Playboy TV.
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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:34:14 GMT -5
enough of the warrior references. Who will not only wrestling fans or non wrestling fans remember more when its all over? A household name Warrior or a guy only wrestling fans will remember in Triple H? Case closed Well, Warrior beat HHH in two minutes at WM12. Then again, HHH has won countless titles, and Warrior has all but faded into obscurity, grasping to what little 'fame' he can hold onto, no matter what the cost.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Feb 18, 2008 23:34:42 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters .
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 18, 2008 23:36:20 GMT -5
enough of the warrior references. Who will not only wrestling fans or non wrestling fans remember more when its all over? A household name Warrior or a guy only wrestling fans will remember in Triple H? Case closed Well, duh...he is the 2nd biggest star ever in the business. Hell even Trips used his backstage influence to convince Vinny mac that the best thing for business was to have him no sell the pedigree and beat him in 2 minutes.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Feb 18, 2008 23:36:59 GMT -5
That reminds me where is Mordecai these days?? Oh yea hes been repackaged 500 times because he cant over because he SUCKS HAHA
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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:37:27 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . And what period was the highest grossing ever, in your opinion?
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 18, 2008 23:38:16 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . The product is doing just fine...its not at the off the charts level it was at 98-00 but its they're still making more money than they know what to do with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 23:38:38 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . OK... lesse here... we have 3 guys in the ME match on Raw Edge and Taker in the ME match on SD MITB which will have 6 people the playboy thingy which involves Maria, Santino, Candice, and Beth Phoenix Tough Love which has Hornswoggle, Vince Mcmahon, Finlay, JBL an incest angle with two up and comers to get people to notice them and a returning Show against Mayweather... yup only the top 6 guys are getting storylines here! Edit: and Flair and HBK! oh and Chavo/Punk
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Post by Ace Diamond on Feb 18, 2008 23:38:57 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . So...Orton, who has the mic skills and charisma of a soap dish (and that's being mean to the soap dish) is champion...and that doesn't faze you... well either you're cowboy bob or warrior in disguise I don't even know why I responded to this, I think I just lost brain cells.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 18, 2008 23:39:24 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . And what period was the highest grossing ever, in your opinion? I'm pretty sure they had a pretty good year financially in 2000.... Say who was the top heel during that time?
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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:40:00 GMT -5
That reminds me where is Mordecai these days?? Oh yea hes been repackaged 500 times because he cant over because he SUCKS HAHA Currently, Kevin Fertig is likely making more money than you ever will, even if he is jobbing, or 'not getting over', if you will. He has more skill in one pinky than you ever will. In fact, Khali has more skill in his nosehairs than you.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 18, 2008 23:41:37 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . OK... lesse here... we have 3 guys in the ME match on Raw Edge and Taker in the ME match on SD MITB which will have 6 people the playboy thingy which involves Maria, Santino, Candice, and Beth Phoenix Tough Love which has Hornswoggle, Vince Mcmahon, Finlay, JBL an incest angle with two up and comers to get people to notice them and a returning Show against Mayweather... yup only the top 6 guys are getting storylines here! Edit: and Flair and HBK! oh and Chavo/Punk Don't forget Noble, Palumbo, and Michelle and I'm pretty sure they'll find something for Batista to do.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Feb 18, 2008 23:41:49 GMT -5
no Orton doesnt have the mic skills but he has decent charisma, the looks, the size, and the work in the ring to be an alright champion. About the same as Bret Hart had or someone of that nature. Bret didnt have the mic skills but had the rest. Sometimes thats all u need. Not in Hardy's case however. No size, not the looks to carry the company(he looks like a drugged out rave boy), one dimensional ring work (highspots), no mic skills, a little charisma not much
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Feb 18, 2008 23:41:59 GMT -5
Yea well thats why the product is in the shape its in. So you can forget my criticism but the numbers prove it. When only 6-7 guys on the roster get some actual programs and emphasis placed on them while the rest of the roster no one gives a crap what is going on, dont look for wrestling to ever reach the heights it once had. As long as the "mega draw" triple H is on top. Or all the charisma and mic skills of a plastic plant hardy is on top I guess thats all that matters . So...Orton, who has the mic skills and charisma of a soap dish (and that's being mean to the soap dish) is champion...and that doesn't faze you... well either you're cowboy bob or warrior in disguise I don't even know why I responded to this, I think I just lost brain cells. OR Warrior in a Cowboy Bob Disguise
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Post by gmanquik on Feb 18, 2008 23:42:52 GMT -5
In terms of the biggest period, by the way...I'd have to say it was during the Four Horsemen years in their very first run. Maybe during the Monday Night Wars? I'd say that the time when Warrior was champ, the WWF/E was in its biggest slump until '95, and even then, 1990-1991 was really bad until around Rumble '91.
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