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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Apr 4, 2008 1:57:27 GMT -5
If anyone does it'll be Edge next year. I think he'll retire with the streak intact though.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Apr 4, 2008 2:12:29 GMT -5
Edge, but everyone knows that Undertaker is too much of a mark for himself to ever let go of the streak. That's why he put Lesnar over. and Mick Foley. That's why he got a match out of Batista no one thought was possible. that's why he has said on numerous occasions that he wouldn't mind Kane ending his streak. That's also why he's had some of the shortest streaks as champion one can imagine while still being a top card draw. Sounds like ego to me. Exactly. He wins at one event without fail, and that's him being a mark for himself? How long have you been watching him wrestle? By my count, he's lost more big time matches at other events than he's won. Since when does winning all the time at only 1 out of a possible 12 events, equate to "ego problem"?
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Post by Mecca on Apr 4, 2008 2:14:54 GMT -5
Why should the streak never end?
Wrestling is worked, for him to be what he is and have that streak others in the business gave that to him and allowed that.
When he is ready to go out he should give that rub back by giving it to someone else, that is how the business works.
In a worked sport when you keep something like that it is frankly selfish.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Apr 4, 2008 2:19:45 GMT -5
I disagree with it being selfish. He can have that as his legacy. Why end it now anyway? Him losing won't hurt anything, but why even do it to begin with. I see no one on the roster who'd really be worthy of that honor.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Apr 4, 2008 2:49:24 GMT -5
In a perfect world, he would go out on-top by winning the title from John Cena at Wrestlemania 25. Knowing the WWE, he'll probably lose to a reunited Spirit Squad in a "West Texas Bleacher Match" or some shit. Eh, that's sounds like something TNA would do, actually. I could see TNA picking up the Undertaker, calling him "Zombie Jim", and mentioning that he has a 16-0 record at Bound for Glory every chance they get.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Apr 4, 2008 3:27:26 GMT -5
Why not go back to Mean Mark Callous?
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Post by samachine on Apr 4, 2008 3:49:07 GMT -5
Cena. And I hope he squashes him
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Apr 4, 2008 3:50:54 GMT -5
Whoever voted for Batista should climb in a box and mail themselves to Abu Dhabi.
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Post by Loki on Apr 4, 2008 3:52:33 GMT -5
Not having a 24 months title reign or not being a 72 times World Champion doesn't mean he can't be a huge mark for himself...
Undertaker has put over so many people, yet he NEVER lost his spot around the top of the card. Ever. Why? because he never looked weak, not even for a second.
People love to lambast Hulk Hogan, Triple H and Shawn Michaels for "hogging the spot", but Undertaker should be up there with them. But he took the smart route: instead of throwing fits or "marrying himself to the business", he played the "locker room leader" card, giving himself an aura of respectability while pursuing his own agenda anyway.
He's currently in his 6th World Title reign, so he's no stranger to gold like many would like to pretend.
Conceding a loss here and there isn't a big deal, especially when you've got a guaranteed WrestleMania win every given year.
The Streak is a bigger accolade than being N times World Champion
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Post by Fantozzi on Apr 4, 2008 4:18:15 GMT -5
other: cena
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Post by ghettooverlord on Apr 4, 2008 4:50:42 GMT -5
Why not go back to Mean Mark Callous? How would Russo spin this...Mean "Mark" Callous, the wrestler who thinks pro wrestling is real?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 4, 2008 7:04:48 GMT -5
Can someone answer me a question?Why in the f*** does everything have to be about "giving a new guy a rub" or "putting a new guy over"? Seriously, what the f***?
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Apr 4, 2008 7:20:10 GMT -5
Edge, but everyone knows that Undertaker is too much of a mark for himself to ever let go of the streak. Mmhmm, and you wouldn't be if you were him, right? If I was Taker, I wouldn't let go of the streak, either.
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 4, 2008 7:46:47 GMT -5
If I held the booking pencil, he'd job in a 30 minute classic to Mickie James. But I don't, so he'll never lose a Mania match.
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Post by Cheeba on Apr 4, 2008 7:46:51 GMT -5
At this point, the streak should never end. If should have ended at WM21 with Randy Orton (if it were to end at all).
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Post by eJm on Apr 4, 2008 7:56:15 GMT -5
Not having a 24 months title reign or not being a 72 times World Champion doesn't mean he can't be a huge mark for himself... Undertaker has put over so many people, yet he NEVER lost his spot around the top of the card. Ever. Why? because he never looked weak, not even for a second. People love to lambast Hulk Hogan, Triple H and Shawn Michaels for "hogging the spot", but Undertaker should be up there with them. But he took the smart route: instead of throwing fits or "marrying himself to the business", he played the "locker room leader" card, giving himself an aura of respectability while pursuing his own agenda anyway. He's currently in his 6th World Title reign, so he's no stranger to gold like many would like to pretend. Conceding a loss here and there isn't a big deal, especially when you've got a guaranteed WrestleMania win every given year. The Streak is a bigger accolade than being N times World Champion I'll agree with that, but add during his American Badass days, he was made to sometimes look pretty damn vulnerable and that's why people like me prefer that character to the one we have now.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Apr 4, 2008 8:01:31 GMT -5
Most of these guys he's beaten already and it doesn't look like the streak will ever end.
The only person at this point I could see beating him is Cena, which funny enough wasn't an option there.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Apr 4, 2008 8:50:08 GMT -5
i don't like the idea of anyone breaking it, butthe mere idea of taker vs cena, in houston, next year, with both belts on the line, makes me wanna s**t with glee.
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Post by randomranter on Apr 4, 2008 8:56:53 GMT -5
Not having a 24 months title reign or not being a 72 times World Champion doesn't mean he can't be a huge mark for himself... And in the wrestling business, you have to be a huge mark for yourself if you intend to get ahead. Many top wrestlers have said that before. I don't see a problem with this. He was on the losing end of a total squash match on PPV vs Khali when Khali first started. Many have said that he did an amazing job of looking weak vs. Edge and putting him over in that match even though he won. Mick Foley/Mankind came out with several clean wins vs. Taker during their early feuds. Foley was the one who always looked strong in the various buildups. MAVEN eliminated him from a Royal Rumble. He's lost just as many, if not more "specialty" matches like HIAC and casket matches than he's won. So he's "hogging his spot" by being in the mid-card for 80% of his wrestlemania appearances? He's had 3 main event matches, and the rest are split between solid mid-card matches (ranging from people like Jake Roberts, Flair, HHH, and Kane) and low-end filler matches (like Snuka, Mark Henry, and King Kong Bundy.) Cena has participated in more main event WM matches than Undertaker has in his near 20 year career. Or maybe it's just that people in the locker room have respect for the guy. Ever think of that? 20 Years+ of experience. Top money draw. Can adapt to various styles of ring work. Is respected by management, who take his suggestions seriously. That's the type of guy I'd want to lead the locker room if I had the choice, too. And his combined title reigns lasted 37 weeks total. Only his 2nd title reign lasted longer than two months. The rest have been two months or less. By comparison, JBL's single run with the strap lasted longer than all 5 previous Undertaker reigns *combined*. And Undertaker has done that, many times over. Which is exactly the reason he deserves to keep it. Not too many people can maintain a gimmick that is a solid money draw for two decades straight without getting stale in the eyes of most casual fans. The man took what should have been an instant-induction into Wrestlecrap and turned it into a license to print money. He's given us 5-star matches and some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history. 20 years into the business and the guy can still go better than most of the roster. He deserves to keep the streak. There is not one single person on the roster deserving of the rub.
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Post by Franchise on Apr 4, 2008 12:54:51 GMT -5
Not having a 24 months title reign or not being a 72 times World Champion doesn't mean he can't be a huge mark for himself... And in the wrestling business, you have to be a huge mark for yourself if you intend to get ahead. Many top wrestlers have said that before. I don't see a problem with this. He was on the losing end of a total squash match on PPV vs Khali when Khali first started. Many have said that he did an amazing job of looking weak vs. Edge and putting him over in that match even though he won. Mick Foley/Mankind came out with several clean wins vs. Taker during their early feuds. Foley was the one who always looked strong in the various buildups. MAVEN eliminated him from a Royal Rumble. He's lost just as many, if not more "specialty" matches like HIAC and casket matches than he's won. So he's "hogging his spot" by being in the mid-card for 80% of his wrestlemania appearances? He's had 3 main event matches, and the rest are split between solid mid-card matches (ranging from people like Jake Roberts, Flair, HHH, and Kane) and low-end filler matches (like Snuka, Mark Henry, and King Kong Bundy.) Cena has participated in more main event WM matches than Undertaker has in his near 20 year career. Or maybe it's just that people in the locker room have respect for the guy. Ever think of that? 20 Years+ of experience. Top money draw. Can adapt to various styles of ring work. Is respected by management, who take his suggestions seriously. That's the type of guy I'd want to lead the locker room if I had the choice, too. And his combined title reigns lasted 37 weeks total. Only his 2nd title reign lasted longer than two months. The rest have been two months or less. By comparison, JBL's single run with the strap lasted longer than all 5 previous Undertaker reigns *combined*. And Undertaker has done that, many times over. Which is exactly the reason he deserves to keep it. Not too many people can maintain a gimmick that is a solid money draw for two decades straight without getting stale in the eyes of most casual fans. The man took what should have been an instant-induction into Wrestlecrap and turned it into a license to print money. He's given us 5-star matches and some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history. 20 years into the business and the guy can still go better than most of the roster. He deserves to keep the streak. There is not one single person on the roster deserving of the rub. Very well said sir. Obviously you did your research. Well done.
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