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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Apr 6, 2008 19:03:22 GMT -5
Whenever ECW seems to get the big name that will help it or propel it to the next level, that big name seems to either leave, gets in trouble, or dies.
Kurt Angle: May 29th-August 25th, 2006. Leaves for TNA.
Big Show: June 7th-December 6th, 2006. Retires.
Rob Van Dam: May 29th, 2006-June 4th, 2007. Quits.
Chris Benoit: June 11th-June 20th, 2007. Kills self and family.
Which one of these men could've taken ECW to the next step, had they not left?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 6, 2008 19:05:15 GMT -5
Van Dam. The ratings were at their highest (no pun intended) when he was champion. Ratings dipped again when he left. WWE's audience was already watching, but RVD was one of the last things keeping original ECW fans watching.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Apr 6, 2008 19:07:30 GMT -5
Benoit > Angle > RVD > Show. Edit: Oh, and I'm kind of interested to see how the votes go on Benoit and Angle. Their styles are... were ( ) so similar that I'd imagine the fans of that type of wrestling will be split between them.
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Post by J is Justice on Apr 6, 2008 19:07:52 GMT -5
RVD
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Post by Mecca on Apr 6, 2008 19:08:31 GMT -5
It's RVD, no matter what is said about his promo skills or his workrate, he had something that always hooked fans especially casual fans...something that Benoit really lacked and angle was 50/50 on.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 6, 2008 19:09:39 GMT -5
The show should have been built around RVD, though I suppose he got in trouble with management for pretty valid reasons.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 6, 2008 19:12:00 GMT -5
The show should have been built around RVD, though I suppose he got in trouble with management for pretty valid reasons. He wasn't in trouble, actually. He talks about it in a recent shoot interview. He said when he got suspended, Vince was like "Just be careful when you come back, okay?" and that was it. They were pushing him really strongly after he returned in August. It wasn't until they decided that they wanted to push Lashley that RVD took the de-push.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 6, 2008 19:15:02 GMT -5
It's RVD, no matter what is said about his promo skills or his workrate, he had something that always hooked fans especially casual fans...something that Benoit really lacked and angle was 50/50 on. Well said. I would say Angle is a close second, but RVD would really be the standard bearer.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Apr 6, 2008 19:18:36 GMT -5
Chris Benoit.
When it comes to working with the younger guys (the ones the show is built around), he'd have pretty much been the only one out of that four who could have really been able to help get them over with the crowd and always provide some quality matches for the show aswell. Not to mention, he's also the only one out of that four I really would have wanted to see on my T.V. for that long of a time.
I miss him.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 6, 2008 19:22:43 GMT -5
The show should have been built around RVD, though I suppose he got in trouble with management for pretty valid reasons. He wasn't in trouble, actually. He talks about it in a recent shoot interview. He said when he got suspended, Vince was like "Just be careful when you come back, okay?" and that was it. They were pushing him really strongly after he returned in August. It wasn't until they decided that they wanted to push Lashley that RVD took the de-push. He may have not been told he was in trouble, but it hurt him alot. He was in the midst of getting a huge push that he was over enough to always have and they were always resistant to giving him.. When he messed up it basically gave any detractor he had ammo of "see we told you so"
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Post by chunkylover53 on Apr 6, 2008 19:43:46 GMT -5
Van Dam. The ratings were at their highest (no pun intended) when he was champion. Ratings dipped again when he left. WWE's audience was already watching, but RVD was one of the last things keeping original ECW fans watching. I thought its ratings were at its highest due to initial interest, weren't they? Anyway, I choose Benoit, he could've brought something new to the table, however, Kane being ECW's top guy dosen't hurt now that its a major star holding the belt.
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Post by Jtre on Apr 6, 2008 20:03:59 GMT -5
Van Dam. The show was at its best, and most watched, when he and Sabu were the cornerstones.
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Post by acressl on Apr 6, 2008 20:09:59 GMT -5
You could argue Chris or RVD, I think. (Kurt's potential can't be measured as he never got out of the gate) Chris doesn't stand alone. You have to put his departure with Eddie's, Dean's and Jericho's, don't you? That could have been a serious difference maker don't you think? Rob, though, was like the last bastion of ECDub or something. He was still more or less "the" star at the time of his defection. I'm sure he could see the writing on the walls though.
Wait, this was intended to be new ECW. Derp. Disregard this post up through now. I'd say RVD then. He hurt himself at a very bad time in this new deal and there's really no telling how far he'd have gone. While never a frequent holder of the E's titles, I could have seen him possessing the ECW title for a grip.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Apr 6, 2008 20:28:36 GMT -5
The whole show was originally built around RVD, so him.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Apr 7, 2008 5:59:50 GMT -5
Curtis W. Angle
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Post by Mac on Apr 7, 2008 6:19:04 GMT -5
I'd say Kurt Angle easy. He was a pitbull character, a former multi time world champion, giving him the belt gave the title a sense of legitamacy. Here is upstart ECW coming back with a World Champio who when booked to be tough is a suplex/submission machine who just bulldozes through guys. I thought ECW was going to actually go in an ECW style direction with Kurt as champion, but when they just started throwing the belt on whomever they wanted to for no particular reason I think ECW started its slow death.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Apr 7, 2008 6:43:28 GMT -5
RVD was so played out. At first he started to work a different match in ECW but as usual RVD continued to have the same match every week.
Benoit is my vote cause Angle sucks
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 7, 2008 9:46:40 GMT -5
RVD was so played out. At first he started to work a different match in ECW but as usual RVD continued to have the same match every week. Benoit is my vote cause Angle sucks Pretty sure this thread was about who would have helped the show most, not who do you personally like best. No, I'm not defending RVD. I'm defending Kurt Angle, who I don't even like. He was more interesting on ECW than he had been during his entire run on RAW. Angle was a big help in the first month and a half of ECW programming. Just because I don't like the guy doesn't mean I'm going to say otherwise.
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Post by The G.O.A.T. on Apr 7, 2008 9:52:58 GMT -5
Van Dam. The ratings were at their highest (no pun intended) when he was champion. Ratings dipped again when he left. WWE's audience was already watching, but RVD was one of the last things keeping original ECW fans watching. Agreed 100%
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Apr 7, 2008 10:15:05 GMT -5
RVD was so played out. At first he started to work a different match in ECW but as usual RVD continued to have the same match every week. Benoit is my vote cause Angle sucks Pretty sure this thread was about who would have helped the show most, not who do you personally like best. No, I'm not defending RVD. I'm defending Kurt Angle, who I don't even like. He was more interesting on ECW than he had been during his entire run on RAW. Angle was a big help in the first month and a half of ECW programming. Just because I don't like the guy doesn't mean I'm going to say otherwise. Yeah...Kurt was f***ing awesome during his ECW run. He was a brutal MMA machine. If they really just took ECW back to where it was and made it a second farm system/TV show like they should have, Angle would still have been around and have been less crazy. He could have gotten the MMA out in the ring, and not try to fight people like Couture. They totally dropped the ball with ECW. Instead of making it a niche show to draw in the people who bought the PPVs (which were so successful they brought the brand back because of these people) and also used it to develop new talent before shipping them to the big brands, (by having it run in the east coast like the old ECW) they thought it could carry its own and draw the same as RAW and SD. What they didn't realize is what they lost in ratings they gained in potential PPV buyers (ONS 2005/6 were some of the highest buyrates in years) and merch movers. Retards. Now instead of an extra 2 million fans, they just over saturate their existing fanbase with a third brand. Bolded to show why everyone who wants to say that the new ECW fails and sucks, can. Back to my Angle argument, he wanted a lighter schedule and if ECW was their second farm system after OVW (at the time) and he was still on TV and possibly world champ, you know he would have worked it. And it would have been a safe haven for people like Benoit and others who still had a plethora of wrestling knowledge to give back but were too distraught by the road.
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