Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 27, 2008 13:11:32 GMT -5
London one of the best? Yeah... London can probably pull off some great high-flying moves, and that's pretty much it. He's small, a good 30 pounds smaller than HBK. He's NOT charismatic in any way, shape or form His style doesn't fit WWE and would look horrible against bigger (ie. regular-sized) opponents. I don't care how awesome he was on ROH and Flippy-Floppy Wrestling Federation. He's been in WWE for, what now, 6 years, and he has done not so much. If ONE YEAR of Tag Team reign on SmackDown hasn't gotten him and Kendrick over enough not to fall off the radar seconds after the draft, I don't know what will help him. Sure, those belts aren't the most prestigious ever, and they didn't get a lot of airtime for promos, if at all. But, a guy like Jeff Hardy, who, by his own admission, CAN'T CUT A DECENT PROMO in WWE style, managed to get himself megaover with the standard "welcome back" IC title run, with roughly no great material to work with. The comparison with HBK is off on so many levels it's not even funny Yeah, he's only a flippy guy. I know you don't care about his ROH work but, seriously. If you'd ever seen that you would not say all he does is flips. Also, as his occassional WWE.com bits with Kendrick have shown, he is a witty and charismatic guy. Yo ucan't say a guy isn't charismatic if you've never heard him cut a promo or have any mic time. London's only ever had WWE.com articles to show his charisma, and to me he's shown he has it. Not as much as say, HBK, but he has some charisma. I've seen his ROH stuff right up until his final appearance facing Samoa Joe in 2003 and I didn't think he was that special. Could bump like hell and do great high-risk moves, but that's it,IMO.
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Post by Kyle on Jun 27, 2008 13:12:58 GMT -5
I've always thought Paul London was the proverbial black hole of wrestling. Anytime he's on my TV set everything just seems to suck. There is more to wrestling than back flips, you have to be entertaining. Paul London is not entertaining. Maybe they don't give him enough of a chance, but if he really had something he'd have proved it by now.
And "Flippy-Floppy Wrestling Federation" is a great analogy, Loki.
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Post by Loki on Jun 27, 2008 13:34:04 GMT -5
It's not that I don't care about his ROH work (just) because I'm not a fan of indy/flippy wrestling. It's mostly because I think comparing WWE style and requirements to those of ROH is like comparing football and rugby. Very similar environment, but different system.
That being said, I fail to see all that potential in London as WWE Superstar.
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Post by The Line on Jun 27, 2008 13:41:28 GMT -5
They could have him work matches with Wang from here until eternity, and I'd be happy.
I remember a few years back London cut a really good, serious promo on WWE.com. It was after a match he had with Chavo, where Chavo dumped him over the top rope, and London cut himself pretty badly on part of the ring. Just a freak accident, but it lead to a really intense promo all shot in black and white, with blood dripping down his face. It was cool.
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Post by rrm15 on Jun 27, 2008 13:43:06 GMT -5
Maybe now thats he's a singles wrestler, and they're bringing up people that Shawn Michaels has had a hand in training, and Jericho and Cade are feuding with HBK, 2-1, Shawn will enlist another one of his trainees to help him out....
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Post by Shy Guy on Jun 27, 2008 13:50:21 GMT -5
to be fair, i wouldn't push london either if he was on my roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 13:56:25 GMT -5
He should have been moved to ECW, I was expecting him to be moved to ECW after I saw Spanky was moved to SD. With Kofi and Shelton away, London could be one side of a new low card feud. Keep him face and feud him with Burke, turn him heel and feud him with Super Crazy (or turn Super Crazy heel). Something like that. Maybe if he became ECW Champ...but jobbing on Raw > Jobbing on ECW. On ECW there wouldn't have been any reason to job him. They have people to job already, London could have been a midcard kinda guy on ECW that wins and loses.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 27, 2008 14:13:14 GMT -5
Who is tired of Miz and Morrison? They keep getting better and better.
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Post by SassovsHart on Jun 27, 2008 14:13:40 GMT -5
I respect London's ability, but I've always felt Kendrick was a better fit for WWE than him. I know Kendrick's even smaller than him, but I think he's got more of a personality that can help him stand out in WWE's wacky sports entertainment circus than London does. I'm not saying he doesn't have any charisma, but I don't think he stands out as much in that area as Kendrick. I think he'd be better off in a fed that works styles of matches that would allow him to do the all the crazy stuff he used to do.
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Post by popples on Jun 27, 2008 14:43:54 GMT -5
Didn't somebody say there was a rumour that London and Kendrick were in line for a main-event push after Vince got blown up but that London smiling at an inopportune moment.
I think the rumour was that London was going to be the bomber and lure Kendrick into doing evil stuff but eventually Kendrick for rebel and fight against London for the WWE title.
Sounds kind of far-fetched to me but it would be interesting.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jun 27, 2008 15:35:41 GMT -5
Basically, it takes something special to be a main eventer or over with the WWE crowd, and have the WWE be willing to invest in you to make them money.
London, to a WWE crowd, is nothing special. He's just a small high flier that does flippy moves like any other small high flier that they've ever seen. It doesn't matter how awesome he was in ROH, because it's a different ball game in the WWE. He isn't getting a big push right now because as of yet, he hasn't shown anything to suggest he deserves it.
Saying that, he's either been split up from Kendrick because they feel both shows need a couple of jobbers that the crowd gets behind, or they are about to push London as a serious contender. Purely being a 'good wrestler' (in the technical sense) isn't enough in the WWE though, and that's the way it should be.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jun 27, 2008 15:51:11 GMT -5
They did win the Raw tag titles. London is a small guy though, and can bump like crazy. He's their perfect jobber. But its a waste of good talent to use someone special like London as a jobber. They should just use colen delaney. They've rarely used him as a jobber. They just don't use him much except against the lower card. I think he might be in line for something now. They're pushing Cade as Michael's best student and pairing him with Jericho who's feuding with HBK. So have HBK and London claim he was the best student. They could even give the IC belt to London to transition it to Cade.
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Post by PTBartman on Jun 27, 2008 16:16:43 GMT -5
I whine a much as anyone about the repeated and baffling burial that Londrick has gotten, but I'm willing to wait and see what they do with London and Kendrick as singles. As a fan, I wish they could find something for London to do that doesn't involve him staring up at the lights, but what can you do? Put him in Submission moves where he's face down?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 27, 2008 16:35:14 GMT -5
Okay guys this bothers me. I dont understand why the company hates Paul London so much. Lets look at the facts. I see a lot of OPINIONS, but no facts.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jun 27, 2008 17:10:02 GMT -5
Okay guys this bothers me. I dont understand why the company hates Paul London so much. Lets look at the facts. I see a lot of OPINIONS, but no facts. Your facts prove nothing. NOTHING!
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 27, 2008 17:50:57 GMT -5
Who is tired of Miz and Morrison? They keep getting better and better. And they've drawn.... ah yes, big fat zero. Moving on.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 27, 2008 17:59:04 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? The only reason they moved Kendrick was so that London could be the one behind this Vince fiasco.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 27, 2008 18:16:19 GMT -5
Who is tired of Miz and Morrison? They keep getting better and better. And they've drawn.... ah yes, big fat zero. Moving on. The WWE does not place tag teams at the top of cards, therefore it is impossible to tell who draws what.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jun 27, 2008 18:19:46 GMT -5
LONDON HAS TEH NUCLEAR HEATZ!!11
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 27, 2008 18:33:39 GMT -5
Why do people think being a midcard guy is so terrible?
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