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Post by Red Impact on Jul 10, 2008 23:16:58 GMT -5
With all due respect mate, you are dead f***ing wrong. Bret has openly said many times, losing Owen was the worst thing that ever happened to him. Losing his parents was number 2. I don't know how he ranks the other horrible events he's been through, but at this point I'd be surprised if the Screwjob cracked the Top 5. I think the bigge4st reason why it seems that way is people people keep bringing it up all the time and then, surprise surprise, they publish the comments on their own and this tired discussion starts up again.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 10, 2008 23:19:16 GMT -5
I know it falls within the 1996-present window, But seriously, there is NOTHING "current" about anything that is in anyway, even slightly, related to the "Screwjob".
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 11, 2008 11:11:10 GMT -5
Utter and complete BS. McMahon knew Bret for 14 years, and had a long-term relation with the Hart family. I'm sure there should have been enough trust and respect built up to know Hart would never do that. To prove my point, here's a quote on page 303, from Chris Jericho's book A Lion's Tale (hardcover edition) "...But to my surprise, he explained that before I left he wanted be to win the ECW television championship. It took a lot of trust for Paul (Heyman) to want that, as I had no contract with him. I could've won the belt and thrown it in the garbage can on live WCW TV..." And Jericho had only worked for ECW for six months. your proof is different wrestler in a different situation with a different promoter and company? right Mighty similar situation, though, right?
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 11, 2008 13:28:54 GMT -5
Bert screwed Bert. While Ernie watched.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 11, 2008 13:35:45 GMT -5
People care because it is the biggest story in pro wrestling since the end of the territory era. Never before or since has the promoter intentionally and so blatantly changed the storyline in a match without telling one of the participants. And, no other match has had so much impact on the business. The Montreal Screwjob created the "evil" Mr. McMahon character-who went on to feud with Stone Cold steve Austin in the biggest drawing angle of all time. It arguably saved the WWF from disaster, at a time when it seemed the WCW had a chance of beating them. The various personalities involved in the Screwjob are still fascinating and worth speculating over. Earl Hebner simply did his job at the time-that is, he followed the script given to him by the boss-Vince McMahon. To have done anything else would have been foolish. Bret Hart's continuing obsession with Montreal is fascinating in and of itself. He clearly has lost perspective. In the last 10 years, he's lost 2 brothers, one tragically in a ring accident; his beloved parents; his 20 year marriage; his health, and his career as a result of his health. Yet he still seems to think Montreal was the worst thing that ever happened to him. Amazing. Yes, BUT IT'S BEEN 11 SMURFING YEARS! This was probably the longest we went without a Montreal thread at least.
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Post by Bobafett on Jul 11, 2008 14:24:53 GMT -5
how come people say Bret is obsessed about the screwjob..when the the same people who brng it up, bear in mnd whenever he is interviewed he IS asked about it, the only thng he is still pissed about is HBK's involvement, bear in mind there is a kinda honor among wrestlers sorta thng and in Brets eyes..HBK broke it
hell WWE remind us of it left right and centre
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jul 11, 2008 14:27:54 GMT -5
how come people say Bret is obsessed about the screwjob..when the the same people who brng it up, bear in mnd whenever he is interviewed he IS asked about it, the only thng he is still pissed about is HBK's involvement, bear in mind there is a kinda honor among wrestlers sorta thng and in Brets eyes..HBK broke it That's what I don't get either, especially when he's asked about it constantly since then.
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Post by Madman Szalinski on Jul 11, 2008 14:40:18 GMT -5
My first thought was "so what if Earl refused to do it?"
They use another ref, yeah yeah. But a little line caught my eye, something along the lines of another ref wouldn't do it or didn't know how to do it (referring to the screwjob I guess.) So, what if a rookie ref screwed up the screwjob? The whole thing would have been blown up in front of the world. Imagine the kind of disaster that would have brought out.
Makes me want to write one of those RTB's on it...seriously.
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Post by NOwave on Jul 11, 2008 14:57:18 GMT -5
I don't believe I am wrong to say Bret is obsessed with Montreal. I agree that he has said that Owen's death was his "darkest day", but he spends more time talking about Montreal and the aftermath than than he spends on anything else.
Look in his book, or in any interview. He is clearly still very animated when it comes to the subject of Montreal. Intellectually, he can acknowledge that Owen's death was more important, but I think he has a hard time recognizing that fact emotionally.
And, yes, he is asked about it by every interviewer. But he KNOWS he will get those questions, and he still consents to the interview. Why would he do that unless down deep he still WANTS to talk about it? I'm not sure he's even aware of how it looks to others.
Don't get me wrong-I am a huge fan of Bret the Hit Man Hart. I have enjoyed his work for many years, and believe he is a fascinating human being. I hope his pain lessens in the coming years. The last 11 have certainly been miserable for him.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 11, 2008 15:09:24 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if all of us here have seen Bret's 2006 HOF induction speech, or the way he carried himself and represented the industry in the international media during the Benoit tragedy.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jul 11, 2008 15:34:43 GMT -5
I don't believe I am wrong to say Bret is obsessed with Montreal. I agree that he has said that Owen's death was his "darkest day", but he spends more time talking about Montreal and the aftermath than than he spends on anything else. Look in his book, or in any interview. He is clearly still very animated when it comes to the subject of Montreal. Intellectually, he can acknowledge that Owen's death was more important, but I think he has a hard time recognizing that fact emotionally. And, yes, he is asked about it by every interviewer. But he KNOWS he will get those questions, and he still consents to the interview. Why would he do that unless down deep he still WANTS to talk about it? I'm not sure he's even aware of how it looks to others. Don't get me wrong-I am a huge fan of Bret the Hit Man Hart. I have enjoyed his work for many years, and believe he is a fascinating human being. I hope his pain lessens in the coming years. The last 11 have certainly been miserable for him. This just reads like you're trying to sound intelligent but it just comes off as awful. Emotionally he hasn't been able to recognise that his brother dying was something more impactful on his life than something that happened at his job? Really?
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Jul 11, 2008 15:48:39 GMT -5
Here's what I have never had answered. How exactly was Bret Hart screwed? He left for more cash. There wasn't a no compete involved (if I recall the short time lapse). And if anything, he has a ready made storyline when he starts WCW. If he never wanted to drop it to Shawn, he should have known that it was at least a possibility, and worked to drop it to someone else prior to that night.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jul 11, 2008 15:53:37 GMT -5
Here's what I have never had answered. How exactly was Bret Hart screwed? He left for more cash. There wasn't a no compete involved (if I recall the short time lapse). And if anything, he has a ready made storyline when he starts WCW. If he never wanted to drop it to Shawn, he should have known that it was at least a possibility, and worked to drop it to someone else prior to that night. I see a few problems with your thinking: 1. He was swerved, not exactly screwed. That finish was different than the norm, so yeah he wasn't "screwed", but swerved would be the better term. The Montreal Swervejob sounds catchier on paper, and doesn't sound like a sex position. 2. They exhausted that the week before the "drop the title at a house show" thing, but the program was so huge, that anything less would be a total disappointment. Vince Russo has stated that Bret and Shawn hate each other, but would work together for the good of the business. Thats what Survivor Series represents until the end. 3. His (Bret's) contract was intentionally breached, and was told to go to WCW, so he did it to also avoid legal crap.
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Post by The"threadicidal"bristolspapa on Jul 11, 2008 16:15:21 GMT -5
Here's what I have never had answered. How exactly was Bret Hart screwed? He left for more cash. There wasn't a no compete involved (if I recall the short time lapse). And if anything, he has a ready made storyline when he starts WCW. If he never wanted to drop it to Shawn, he should have known that it was at least a possibility, and worked to drop it to someone else prior to that night. I see a few problems with your thinking: 1. He was swerved, not exactly screwed. That finish was different than the norm, so yeah he wasn't "screwed", but swerved would be the better term. The Montreal Swervejob sounds catchier on paper, and doesn't sound like a sex position. 2. They exhausted that the week before the "drop the title at a house show" thing, but the program was so huge, that anything less would be a total disappointment. Vince Russo has stated that Bret and Shawn hate each other, but would work together for the good of the business. Thats what Survivor Series represents until the end. 3. His (Bret's) contract was intentionally breached, and was told to go to WCW, so he did it to also avoid legal crap. Fair enough. I just never thought his career went into the toilet for it. It eventually did, but for myriad reasons not related to this.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 11, 2008 16:46:55 GMT -5
Here's what I have never had answered. How exactly was Bret Hart screwed? He left for more cash. There wasn't a no compete involved (if I recall the short time lapse). And if anything, he has a ready made storyline when he starts WCW. If he never wanted to drop it to Shawn, he should have known that it was at least a possibility, and worked to drop it to someone else prior to that night. That is why I always put quotes around the word "screwjob", as you may have noticed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 17:02:27 GMT -5
This is how every interview with Bret starts:
"Hi Bret, we're glad you couldZOMG MONTREAL LETS TALK ABOUT IT"
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Post by corndog on Jul 11, 2008 17:08:14 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of Bret Hart. I have watched many of his recent interviews on YouTube and the Bret Hart DVD. First of all, he was obsessed with the screwjob up until his brother died. Then he got really pissed at Vince for his brother dying due to a ridiculous angle and complete carelessness. Then a couple years later he decided to meet with Vince in a public place, Vince was freaking wired and had policeman surrounding the place "incase Bret did anything"!? Bret is not obsessed with what Goldberg did because Goldberg didn't do it on purpose. He has forgiven him and even said he felt bad that such a nice person was the one to accidentally end his career. But he has also said that Goldberg was stiff, and this wasn't the first time he had injured someone. As far as him still being obsessed with the screwjob, the only person he seems bitter towards is Shawn. Bret has said that he thinks both Vince and himself made bad decisions and that he could understand what Vince did from a business standpoint. He is still bitter about Shawn's involvement and has said he doesn't like him for previous reasons too. Also the reason Bret didn't want to job was not because he didn't want to drop the belt to Micheals, it was because he didn't want to lose the belt in Canada.
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Post by Tiiulicious on Jul 11, 2008 17:13:01 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I've always liked Hebner (met him twice and he's a very nice man) so the interview was an interesting read for me.
I think it's time to stop the endless Montreal debate thought. It's been over a decade and I think everything that can be said about it, has been said already. I'm sure Bret's over it, it's just people wanting to bring it up all the time. I seriously doubt Bret goes into interviews and immediatly starts talking about it, more likely people just don't know when to stop asking about it over and over again.
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Post by mauled on Jul 12, 2008 4:23:58 GMT -5
Hogan has bigger things to worry about Perhaps but it was Hogan who brought it up. The interviewer asked the question of whether anyone has refused to lose (probably in a less than subtle reference to Hogan himself) and Hogan pretty much spouted off on Bret and teenyweeny Shawn Micheals.
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Post by mauled on Jul 12, 2008 4:40:31 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I've always liked Hebner (met him twice and he's a very nice man) so the interview was an interesting read for me. I think it's time to stop the endless Montreal debate thought. It's been over a decade and I think everything that can be said about it, has been said already. I'm sure Bret's over it, it's just people wanting to bring it up all the time. I seriously doubt Bret goes into interviews and immediatly starts talking about it, more likely people just don't know when to stop asking about it over and over again. People always talk about Bret getting over it but for me Vince and Co seem to be the ones who are not over it. You have them either constantly do Screwjob scenarios in the shows. There is Bret's everyone screws me promo (back long before Montreal and was a work) on no less than 3 dvd's. You have Vince and co constantly talking about it (And changing there stories as well) with hardcore lackeys like Briscoe talking about HBK becoming a man that night (For lying and then crying in the corner!) There was even going to be a screwed the Bret Hart story with Bret's enemies lineing up to take shots at him. And on WWE.com a what would happen if the screwjob had been reversed with good ole Hunter stating "they would not be that stupid" (him and Shawn are one and he same I guess) And why??? For me the reason is image and how they see people percieve them. Vince came across as a cold lier who tried to shaft a loyal 14yr employee. HBK who is now ment to be god's chosen wrestler came across as a cowardly lying backstabber who was caught on camera swearing on God that he did not know anything and obviously thought with bret out the way he was going to be top guy. Hunter as Shawns loyal apprentice (But out of all of them I he cares least in jmo) . And even today you HBK in his book declaring Bret's a bad wrestlers and in interviews not supporting him as champion. so for me its the WWE not Bret who cant get over Montreal.
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