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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jul 14, 2008 23:08:40 GMT -5
Although I agree with the sentiment behind this thread, I don't think it's fair to lump all guys together in this thinking. The original person who made that quote about Candice doesn't necessarily reflect the brains of all guys. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, it just seems the gripe would be better directed at the person who made the Candice comment and not all guys everywhere. Yeah, this is how I feel, too. I hate when people make generalizations like "all guys do this". I just think you should have directed this to the particular poster who said what he said about Candice Michelle, instead of titling the thread ''Guy brains don't make sense". I know every guy on this thread doesn't think the same way, because I certainly do not necessarily share Stinger4Christ's opinion about the women in WWE, or women in general.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 14, 2008 23:10:05 GMT -5
It's basically assumed that 90% of the guys on here (save the ones with "morals"...like me) would bang any diva regardless of who it is. I think Lita is ugly and has a crappy tattoo...I'd still do her. Hell, I'd probably do Awesome Kong. Seriously joking about the Awesome Kong part. You do have a point, but it's kind of moot. I can't stand when someone goes on about how ugly a "diva" other than Ashley is, so I see no harm in calling them on their crap. The bottom line is that the ugliest chick in WWE is probably hotter than anyone that myself, or any of my fellow crappers will ever get with. Which isn't as depressing as it sounds, because my girl is still FINE AS SMURF...... Way better than Candice... Well she's better than Lita....
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Post by Corporate H on Jul 14, 2008 23:13:15 GMT -5
From another thread. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF THINKING. And it's on the internet all over the place, even on this board, when you guys talk about divas. HOW DOES NOT FINDING A GIRL ATTRACTIVE RELATE TO ACTIVELY SLEEPING WITH BEAUTIFUL WOMEN?When I see a bad movie, I'm still allowed to criticize it, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BAD. I don't need to go out and make a great movie to have an opinion on cinema, do I? It just really bothers me that this kind of thinking is used, because it's really aggressive, as opposed to constructive. It basically says "NO, MY OPINION IS RIGHT, AND YER DUM AND YOU DONT HAVE ANY TEH SEX WIT NOBODY SO FOREVER YOU LOSE AND IM A BIG WINNAR ON THE INTERNET ALWAYS." If I think John Cena has always looked funny and kind of ugly like a caveman with legs that are too short like a gorilla, THEN THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I don't need to be dating George Clooney (or, for example, I don't know, Edge) to think that he's ugly. I put this in the WWE forum because that's where I see it the most, and I'm wondering, seriously, help me out: HOW DOES THIS LOGICAL FALLACY RUN RAMPANT THROUGHOUT EVERY ARGUMENT ABOUT WOMEN'S ATTRACTIVENESS?Well allow me to welcome you to a forum. Honestly what are you expecting? People agreeing with you all the time. Post of the week. "ERGH! OPPOSITE OPINIONS, SMASH!"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 14, 2008 23:31:41 GMT -5
She's right. It's such a weird argument.
"this burger is terrible."
" Yeah, well I bet you can't cook it as good!"
"Um, what does that have to do with anything?"
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jul 14, 2008 23:44:44 GMT -5
The bottom line is that the ugliest chick in WWE is probably hotter than anyone that myself, or any of my fellow crappers will ever get with. See, I don't fully believe that to be the case either. Just because we are all on a wrestling message board doesn't necessarily mean we are all hideous and "can't get hot women". I think that is just a silly widespread stereotype more than anything. Even if there are people who might consider themselves to be in that boat, it doesn't mean that we all are incapable of meeting and/or dating super attractive ladies. I apologize if you were just speaking for yourself, but please don't put me in that category.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 23:47:22 GMT -5
Well allow me to welcome you to a forum. Honestly what are you expecting? People agreeing with you all the time. Post of the week. "ERGH! OPPOSITE OPINIONS, SMASH!" Lmao. That's what was going through my mind.
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Post by kittylimits on Jul 15, 2008 1:23:54 GMT -5
I agree with everyone.
1) Person who said Candice was unattractive. They're allowed their opinion.
2) Person who made statement that that person MUST date models, if they find someone as attractive as Candice to be unattractive. That person obviously really likes Candice and wanted to share HIS perspective.
3) Original poster who does not understand guy brains. Me neither. There are, however, a lot worse things that get said around here, especially in regards to female wrestler looks and level of attractiveness. But this wrestling forum is not unlike Western society.
4) Kelly Kelly is super hot but I don't want to see her on TV. I dunno how this relates, but it just was made to show that I can be NOT entertained by someone who I think is super hot, because attractiveness is not related to talent. Actually, TALENT might relate to attractiveness. You should see the men I've dated. Talented, but questionable by so many as far as their looks go. (Note: My current boyfriend is a super hottie, and the first boyfriend I've had that my friends actually say is good looking.) Anyways, the point is, Candice was not always hot, but then she got all energetic and tried hot, and became a decent wrestler (for 2007 WWE standards) so she became hot. I dunno how this got to MY OPINION of Candice, but yeah.
IT just made me realize, though, that it'll be interesting to see when Candice comes back to WWE TV, and where she'll fit in, since now the Divas in the limelight are actual super talented wrestlers, and she doesn't compare.
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Post by ilggant on Jul 15, 2008 2:32:20 GMT -5
I think we need Doytch to come back and give us his opinion on the matter. What he says goes. Agreed?
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 15, 2008 9:30:34 GMT -5
I think we need Doytch to come back and give us his opinion on the matter. What he says goes. Agreed? AGREED!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 10:42:54 GMT -5
I think we need Doytch to come back and give us his opinion on the matter. What he says goes. Agreed? AGREED!! I'm down.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jul 15, 2008 11:48:15 GMT -5
She's right. It's such a weird argument. "this burger is terrible." " Yeah, well I bet you can't cook it as good!" "Um, what does that have to do with anything?" Well, alot of people (not everyone) that will say sonething is horrible ARE saying it as if they could do a better job themselves. So people who make that comment are people who deal with those other people 80% of the time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 15, 2008 11:52:58 GMT -5
She's right. It's such a weird argument. "this burger is terrible." " Yeah, well I bet you can't cook it as good!" "Um, what does that have to do with anything?" Well, alot of people (not everyone) that will say sonething is horrible ARE saying it as if they could do a better job themselves. So people who make that comment are people who deal with those other people 80% of the time. granted.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 15, 2008 23:52:46 GMT -5
See....it's just the fact that so many, many MANY threads get floated around here that assault women wrestler's weight and looks, that it almost becomes second nature to take those insulting comments and turn it around and say, "Yeah, ok, you think SHE'S dog ass ugly....let's see a picture of the woman you're currently having sex with." , and to be honest, I think that's a valid counterpoint. I mean, if you had a friend who said, "Goddamn, that Mercedes is f***in' UGLY!" wouldn't you counter with something like "Well, what the f*** are YOU driving? A GMC Jimmy? Oh, ok....you're PERFECTLY qualified to be judging the Mercedes' looks.".
A LOT of the guys who make stupid ass comments (Like the jerk who posted the pictures of the paper bags in that Candice thread) either are too young to know what sex is....or probably come from the Tom Leykis camp where they themselves are no beauty pageant winners, but have IMPOSSIBLY high standards for their women. Those people are CHAUVINISTS....and yes, WOMEN can be chauvinistic too.
Yes, everybody IS entitled to their opinions....yes, beauty IS subjective......so is COMEDY, too......but there IS such a thing as tact, and compassion, and overall general decency...I mean, that old adage of "If you don't have anything NICE to say about someone...." still applies in the modern world, right?
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Post by machinegun on Jul 16, 2008 0:00:25 GMT -5
I agree that we need doytch back NOW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 0:29:27 GMT -5
See....it's just the fact that so many, many MANY threads get floated around here that assault women wrestler's weight and looks, that it almost becomes second nature to take those insulting comments and turn it around and say, "Yeah, ok, you think SHE'S dog ass ugly....let's see a picture of the woman you're currently having sex with." , and to be honest, I think that's a valid counterpoint. I mean, if you had a friend who said, "Goddamn, that Mercedes is smurfin' UGLY!" wouldn't you counter with something like "Well, what the smurf are YOU driving? A GMC Jimmy? Oh, ok....you're PERFECTLY qualified to be judging the Mercedes' looks.". A LOT of the guys who make stupid ass comments (Like the jerk who posted the pictures of the paper bags in that Candice thread) either are too young to know what sex is....or probably come from the Tom Leykis camp where they themselves are no beauty pageant winners, but have IMPOSSIBLY high standards for their women. Those people are CHAUVINISTS....and yes, WOMEN can be chauvinistic too. Yes, everybody IS entitled to their opinions....yes, beauty IS subjective......so is COMEDY, too......but there IS such a thing as tact, and compassion, and overall general decency...I mean, that old adage of "If you don't have anything NICE to say about someone...." still applies in the modern world, right? Absolutely not, I don't know where you get off with these sick ideas but we don't stand for that kind of talk around here! Tact? Compassion? DECENCY!? THIS IS THE INTERNET!
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Post by hbkjoec on Jul 16, 2008 1:57:25 GMT -5
I'd do them all. Even Ashley. And Paris Hilton. Anything over a 6.5 is fair game. OooooooooaOH!
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Post by skiller on Jul 16, 2008 2:09:54 GMT -5
I've also seen this argument realte to in ring skills.
Eg. Poster 1 - "Man [this wrestler] sucks. He can't wrestle for s***!" Poster 2 - "I'd like to see you do better."
Back to the topic at hand though. In the real world, there's this girl who I'm friends with, but just about everyone else I know seems to absolutely despise her. I find her to be incredibly attractive and fun, but I don't chastise others for having a different opinion. I may ask why they feel that way, but never criticize them for not agreeing with me.
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