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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2008 13:10:26 GMT -5
I think you guys vastly overrate the Cowboys. Sometimes you are what your record says you are. Offensively, the running backs are a good unit overall and compliment each other nicely. I'm starting to think Romo is what he is, a talented QB who can extend plays and make things happen, but stricken with poor decision-making ability and showing little progress on his ability to progress through his reads, often rellying on a receiver he's comfortable with (whether he's open or not). I can't help but wonder what happens when he ages and loses his ability to scramble, as he's not a good pocket passing QB to be blunt. The offensive line is a collection of players who you won't get the most out of unless they're in a contract year and playing to get paid or have a coach lighting a fire under their ass. Flozell is long in the tooth and heavy in the pocket now, bad combo. Leonard Davis got his contract, played hard for a season, now its back to why Arizona wanted nothing to do with him after he became a free agent, namely: he's lazy. Gurode can't long snap, has issues sometimes even when Romo's under center, doesn't hold the point of attack well and is a center, mind boggling. Berger is above average and so is Columbo. The receivers are a mixed bag, as well. Owens is on the wrong side of 30 and can be taken out of games now. He can't fight off a bump at the line and, although he demands help over the top with a safety, he's not going to beat coverage that often. I'd actually not be surprised to see him off the roster next season. Its an outside chance, but he's not what he used to be. Roy Williams looks lost out there and Patrick Crayton is a #3 receiver at best. Miles Austin is someone I don't know if I want to see for a number of seasons moving forward. Witten is an absolute warrior and one of the best at his position. Defensively, they've got some nice components, but the secondary is subpar if the front seven isn't getting pressure. Newman is the only DB that teams specifically have to worry about and he's seemingly constantly injured. Ken Hamlin pretending to be a safety is sad to watch. The Boys might be further ahead if Pacman just gets himself permanently banned, as he's worthless on the field. The front seven is a pretty good unit overall, but they don't play disciplined. Demarcus Ware is doing his best Lavar Arrington impersonation and free lancing for himself, without anyone ever calling him on it. When he's making plays, everything is golden, but you can see a lot of times he loses contain with his assignments because he really, really wants that sack record, even if its not good for the team. I can tear apart the Giants if you'd like, this isn't to pile on the Cowboys, but I really am not seeing this amazing team you guys think you have. No one in the league is really that good, to be honest. Dallas is what it is, which isn't a bad thing perse, but they are losing the group Parcells put together and taking the personality of Wade, a bad combo to have (which essential boils down to a poorly constructed group of lazy players). You all know me, I'm THE leader of the Cowboy fanbase here at the 'Crap- and have been since '03; but this man speaks the truth for the most part. Beyond this objective breakdown, a lil I might quibble with, but most I have to absolutely concede; if Dallas has shown anything at all this year, it's the inability to be consistent and win when every bounce doesn't go their way. To me, the whole team has shown a mental fragility to not be able to overcome adversity. Championship teams don't blow leads like the one against Pittsburgh when they have the chance to take control of their own destiny, and especially don't play like they did in that debacle on Saturday night when it matters most. It pains me to say, but to paraphrase Denny's famous Bears rant " They are who we thought they were!" And they're just not that good, not as a team. It stinks, and if they're able to qualify and make some sort of playoff run, I'll admit I'm wrong-- HAPPILY so-- but I don't see it.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 22, 2008 13:41:12 GMT -5
Interesting that San Diego/Denver got chosen for SNF, when for me, NY Jets/Miami is the bigger game and means almost the same thing.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2008 13:56:22 GMT -5
For the way Pennington got unceremoniously dumped-- seriously they cut him the Friday night before a pre-season game he was supposed to be starting after he and his wife just bought a house there-- for Favre and for the incredible turn around in Miami; I'd like to see the Dolphins win
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 22, 2008 14:02:37 GMT -5
For the way Pennington got unceremoniously dumped-- seriously they cut him the Friday night before a pre-season game he was supposed to be starting after he and his wife just bought a house there-- for Favre and for the incredible turn around in Miami; I'd like to see the Dolphins win I'm torn. I don't really dislike the Jets but I'm sick of ESPN and the media talking about them constantly. I know that's not the Jets fault but still. I think the Dolphins are a good story but I loathe Pennington so I don't really want to see them win. So I guess I'd rather watch San Diego/Denver.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2008 14:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah I've got no real feeling about the Jets one way or another, and I'm not a Favre hater, he seems like he'd be one of the players you'd most want to have a beer with, BUT at the same time, I feel for poor Pennington, and given that he's played better than Favre and has led a better turn around to boot, I think it'd be nice vindication for him.
That said if you don't like Pennington, I can see where ya wouldn't root for him. Again no strong feelings there either, so I'm fairly objective about it.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 22, 2008 14:44:09 GMT -5
Coach Brad Childress confirmed Monday that Tarvaris Jackson will remain the Vikings' starting QB going forward.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 22, 2008 14:44:49 GMT -5
Saints No. 3 QB Joey Harrington expressed sympathy for his former team following New Orleans' 42-7 drubbing of the host Lions Sunday.
"Who would have believed that I was here in the heyday?" Harrington said. "No one deserves to go through this."
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2008 14:47:02 GMT -5
Heh, Harrington has kinda gotta be laughing his ass off privately though, as he was blamed a lot for their problems. Granted some of it was valid, but still.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 22, 2008 15:42:50 GMT -5
I am not saying they are amazing and I agree with you there aren't that many great teams in the league, and that's why I consider them the best team in their conference
All those teams in that division are a fluke other than Carolina
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 22, 2008 15:44:33 GMT -5
Talk about a negative town. The Giants are a bigger story in the national news than locally. The Giants / Panthers game is the lead story on ESPN, but here in New York, the Jets are the lead story on radio and the papers.
Though understandly for the papers, the night game forced them to tone down the Giant coverage, but still on the radio, it is all about how much the Jets stink, instead of how great the Giants are.
It was the same way in 98 with our two baseball teams, the Mets got more coverage by the local sports media than the Yankees in their 114 win season, they were secondary in their own town.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 22, 2008 15:45:53 GMT -5
All those teams in that division are a fluke other than Carolina Dude, no offense, but you need to take off the rose-colored homer glasses. I would LOVE to agree with you. I would LOVE to say they are all flukes except Carolina. I hate the dirty birds, I hate the Bucs and I don't really hate the Saints but since they are in my division I like them to lose anyways. What you said is just simply not true. There is nothing to back that statement. The NFC South is about to set a record for home record for a division. That's not a fluke. You know... I get it now. Nice gimmick/sarcasm man.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 22, 2008 15:47:03 GMT -5
Interesting that San Diego/Denver got chosen for SNF, when for me, NY Jets/Miami is the bigger game and means almost the same thing. Yeah, I am mad about that actully. Because here in New York, when the local teams play a home game on sunday afternoon, they have a no compete claus. So that means here in New York, we won't be able to watch the Cowboys / Eagles game. So I can't watch an important game that effects my team, instead I have to watch two teams I don't care that much about.
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Post by ani on Dec 22, 2008 15:51:47 GMT -5
It was the same way in 98 with our two baseball teams, the Mets got more coverage by the local sports media than the Yankees in their 114 win season, they were secondary in their own town. Lol, what radio station were you listening to? All heard was Yanks, Yanks, Yanks in 1998. The only time the Mets would've stolen the thunder from them that year was when they traded for Mike Piazza.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 22, 2008 15:59:40 GMT -5
I believe they all have good records because they get to play each other many times throughout the year, for the exception of the Panthars, I can't see any of those teams having a shot at anybody in the NFC East
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 22, 2008 16:07:16 GMT -5
I believe they all have good records because they get to play each other many times throughout the year, for the exception of the Panthars, I can't see any of those teams having a shot at anybody in the NFC East That can be said for any team from any divison. Everyone in the NFC South is pretty much 1-1 against each other. So that doesn't help their records at all, it's a wash. Every NFC South team has won at home when facing an NFC South team.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 22, 2008 16:11:19 GMT -5
It was the same way in 98 with our two baseball teams, the Mets got more coverage by the local sports media than the Yankees in their 114 win season, they were secondary in their own town. Lol, what radio station were you listening to? All heard was Yanks, Yanks, Yanks in 1998. The only time the Mets would've stolen the thunder from them that year was when they traded for Mike Piazza. All summer the majority of the callers were Mets fans talking about their drama. Reguardless today, the lead story is the Jets in New York. While in the national media it is the Giants, which is kind of weird. The Giants get more attention outside their market than inside their market today. Had the Giants lost yesterday, and the Jets won, it would be the other way around. Losing is more interesting than winning in our media.
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Post by S-Chrome on Dec 22, 2008 16:11:34 GMT -5
It was the same way in 98 with our two baseball teams, the Mets got more coverage by the local sports media than the Yankees in their 114 win season, they were secondary in their own town. Lol, what radio station were you listening to? All heard was Yanks, Yanks, Yanks in 1998. I have to agree with Ani here. The Yanks were in the midst of a historic season and the Mets disappeared down the stretch that year like they did ten years later. ;D The Jets are a bigger story because, hey, let's face it... the media in NY is world-famous for just destroying people in sports and running them out of town if they fail. To score just three damn points against a dead Seahawk team is the bottom dropping out of what was arguably the second-best team in the NFL. I would think that it would be to football's benefit if they tanked the Dolphin game to keep the Patriots out of the playoffs. ;D
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 22, 2008 16:18:34 GMT -5
I believe they all have good records because they get to play each other many times throughout the year, for the exception of the Panthars, I can't see any of those teams having a shot at anybody in the NFC East That can be said for any team from any divison. Everyone in the NFC South is pretty much 1-1 against each other. So that doesn't help their records at all, it's a wash. Every NFC South team has won at home when facing an NFC South team. As a neutral person(I'm a Lions fan) I would say the NFC South is the stronger conference. The Panthers are a great team this year. The Bucs have been good the last few years. While Atlanta may be a one year wonder(have to wait and see),you can't deny what they have done this year. The Saints had a down year but are still 8-7. As for the NFC East,you have the Giants who are the best team in the conference and have proven last year wasn't a fluke. After that it kind of falls off. The Cowboys do the same thing every year. Until they can all get on the same page and Romo can prove he's a reliable QB post November,I just can't see them doing much. Philadelphia has been up and down all year. Same with the Redskins but they lost to the Bengals so that loses a lot of points for them. I think both conferences are good conferences. Just this year,the South is better. That's my take on it though.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 22, 2008 16:24:08 GMT -5
It's all pretty much opinion, none of us can factually prove one division is better. even though we are both being unbiased (I'm assuming Deadpool: D-Will's biggest fan is as well) we still think the division with our "favorite" team is the better division
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 22, 2008 16:31:36 GMT -5
It's all pretty much opinion, none of us can factually prove one division is better. even though we are both being unbiased (I'm assuming Deadpool: D-Will's biggest fan is as well) we still think the division with our "favorite" team is the better division I was saying the NFC South is arguebly stronger. As in it could be argued that the NFC East or the NFC South is the best. They are both tough, great divisions this year and they both could be considered the best.
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