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Post by Loki on Dec 29, 2008 11:57:37 GMT -5
Hogan by a thousand of miles...
The Hulkster WAS WrestleMania, and he has pretty much been the focal point in EVERY WrestleMania he has competed in. That's the reason WWF could afford to have "blah" cards at times, because Hulk v Anyone was a good draw by itself.
HBK may have better matches, but he has rarely been the One Man Show. His match has often been the highlight of the night in terms of actual action, but not the match that sold the event.
Taker's streak is almost worthless in my eyes, as most of his opponents were clearly weaker, and even with those who were on his level the outcome was always a tad too obvious, with very few exceptions. In recent years, they could just have him go through his routine to please the fans, against a random jobber, without the need of "wasting" another Superstar on a match more predictable than a Yokozuna squash on Wrestling Challenge.
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Post by TheShowStoppin Classic JBHENDU on Dec 29, 2008 13:41:18 GMT -5
It's not Hogan, because, and I say this as a Hulkamaniac, Wrestlemania is way bigger than Hulkamania
I'm stuck between HBK and Taker I would love to see Taker vs HBK at Mania, but since Brother Love scrrewed that up...........
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Post by Robbymac on Dec 29, 2008 13:53:42 GMT -5
Here is my take on things. There are 7 Wrestlemania's out of a possible 24 that couldn't have been sold nearly as effectively without Hogan being on the card.
1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 18 all would have lost signifigant luster without Hogan being involved.
As for Taker there isn't a single Wrestlemania match that he has had that Wrestlemania was "sold" on. Even his two main events at 13 and 24 there was Bret/Austin and then Cena/HHH/Orton and Flair/HBK that sold the card. His matches are usually filler.
For Shawn while he has had some show stealers his place in the main event only elevated the card twice. 12 and 20. At 11 LT and Bigelow were what sold the card, and in reality the Title match was a vehicle to get Diesel over. Bret, for example, could have stepped in there and the card wouldn't have lost anything. In 14 it was all about Austin. I could have been the champion and the card would have sold itself. In Wrestlemania 20 he was placed in the main event for the simple fact that the WWE didn't feel that Benoit was a strong enough challenger to sell the card on, so in that respect I'll give him credit for that one.
Shawn has had the best matches, but when you look at it from a business perspective, its Hogan by a WIDE, WIDE margin. Quite frankly, I don't even think Taker's in the discussion.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 29, 2008 13:58:06 GMT -5
It's not Hogan, because, and I say this as a Hulkamaniac, Wrestlemania is way bigger than Hulkamania I'm stuck between HBK and Taker I would love to see Taker vs HBK at Mania, but since Brother Love scrrewed that up........... I can respect the opinion that Taker or Shawn deserve the nickname, but I have a hard time accepting the opinion that Hogan doesn't deserve the nickname. I have a hard time seeing WrestleMania becoming a huge, established event with a mid 1980s WWE roster that did not include Hulk Hogan. The first Mania was built off buzz from Hogan (and Piper and Mr. T) from MTV. The second Mania didn't do as well, but the third WrestleMania firmly established the event as the biggest event in all of wrestling. The next WrestleMania was a financial success, but not a critical success. The success of the show was largely because of the interest in the Hogan/Andre/DiBiase saga which had played out on NBC. By this point the show was established and Hogan would play a crucial role in the next four (V, VI, VII, VIII). He was brought back for Mania IX, but in was only advertised as having a midcard tag match, though obviously he ended up having a bigger role. I've just gone through the first nine WrestleManias, in which Hogan had a big role in each. Then you can also consider his big WrestleMania return at WrestleMania X-8, which felt like one of the biggest Mania matches ever. The next year he has another big match with Vince McMahon. Though his matches in these years were not the final match, they were arguably the most hyped matches and Hogan/Rock and Hogan/Vince was used on the respective DVD covers. The same thing happened at WrestleMania IV, when Hogan was not in the last match, but the cover of the VHS tape showed he and Andre instead of Savage/DiBiase. How does he not deserve it? I can see other wrestler's also deserving it, but how does Hogan not deserve it?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 29, 2008 14:08:51 GMT -5
Include IV, VIII, and X-9 too. The buzz and interest for WrestleMania IV was built around the Hogan/Andre/DiBiase feud, which was showcased on NBC. The second round match between Andre/Hogan was the most anticipated match for the show and an image of the two colliding was used as the cover for the VHS tape. I think you should include WrestleMania XIII too, though Savage and Flair had a big part of selling that PPV. His match with Vince was the most hyped match for X-9 and once again Hogan and his rival got the cover of the VHS/DVD. (every time Hogan's match wasn't last on WrestleMania, he still got the cover of the VHS/DVD with his rival: Andre at IV, Rock at X-7, and Vince at X-9). All of his other matches were the last match.
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Post by Robbymac on Dec 29, 2008 14:15:02 GMT -5
Include IV, VIII, and X-8 too. The buzz and interest for WrestleMania IV was built around the Hogan/Andre/DiBiase feud, which was showcased on NBC. The second round match between Andre/Hogan was the most anticipated match for the show and an image of the two colliding was used as the cover for the VHS tape. I think you should include WrestleMania XIII too, though Savage and Flair had a big part of selling that PPV. His match with Vince was the most hyped match for X-8 and once again Hogan and his rival got the cover of the VHS/DVD. (every time Hogan's match wasn't last on WrestleMania, he still got the cover of the VHS/DVD with his rival: Andre at IV, Rock at X-7, and Vince at X-8). All of his other matches were the last match. I'll give you IV. 18 was Hogan-Rock, 19 was Hogan-McMahon. I think Flair-Savage could have sold 8, and Lesnar-Angle/Rock-Austin could have sold 19 without Hogan. But you can certainly make the arguement. I'm certainly with you on this one.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 29, 2008 14:21:37 GMT -5
Oops, I meant X-9 when I typed X-8. I agree that there were plenty of matches that helped sell Mania X-9 (it would have been a strong financial success without Hogan), but I was just mentioning that his match with Vince was the most hyped with Bob Costas and Jesse Ventura and others filming spots talking abou the match and how it would decide who made Hulkamania and WrestleMania and all that. It was a big match, but I agree that WrestleMania X-9 was loaded with big matches.
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Post by Thrillho on Dec 29, 2008 17:04:13 GMT -5
I'll call my first born child Wrestlemania.
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Post by thedavefather on Dec 29, 2008 17:07:09 GMT -5
I think it really all comes down to one thing. What are we taking about. And what i mean by that is this , are we talking about who sold the most shows, or who has the most matches we remeber from WM. HBK gets called Mr. Wrestlemania cause he has had the best match on sooo many of the WM's. And you could call Hogan Mr. Wrestling cause not just Wrestlemania but Wrestling in general wouldn't be what it is without him. When i say Mr.Wrestlemania i am talking match quality only and Mr. Wrestlemania in that sense is HBK. IF i was talking about importance of course Hogan.
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Post by boomhauer20055 on Dec 29, 2008 17:56:55 GMT -5
VINCE
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Post by Jiren on Dec 29, 2008 18:02:51 GMT -5
Hogan
But Piper deserves an honorable mention.
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