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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 25, 2008 0:44:40 GMT -5
As I said when I first saw it... yeah that's topical. Seriously, the Ruck Fules shirt was from like 3 years ago. And these people criticize Cena for being stale
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Post by bretclark on Dec 25, 2008 2:50:32 GMT -5
This brings up a good point. THE ATTITUDE ERA IS OVER. OVER. O-V-E-R. DONE. It doesn't make much sense to keep complaining that Vince isn't running things the same way that he did during the Attitude Era, because it's not the Attitude Era anymore. I agree with this reply, but on the same token, I'll be the first to admit the double standard (Divas posing nude, Superstars wearing offensive shirts, Vince McMahon talking about his so called "grapefruits", etc.) is just ridiculous. This is why I don't bother with the WWE modern product. - bretclark
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Post by Killah Ray on Dec 25, 2008 9:45:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't watch wrestling to watch naked women, raunchiness for the sake of being raunchy, or any of the other typical "Attitude Era" traits. I watch wrestling for you know, ummmm wrestling.
Hell I love watching local indy promotions since there is no real storyline going on just pure wrestling so I have no clue why people get upset it's not the attitude era anymore. Excuse me I'm sorry that you complain so much about World Wrestling Entertainment when in reality we get more wrestling on a show these days than we ever did 10 years ago.
I'm sorry but as much as I liked the attitude era I love this one just the same....anything to get away from all of the 2-3 minute matches that filled the typical attitude era Raw.
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Dec 25, 2008 9:54:03 GMT -5
Some things are always consistent. However, why waste time trying to control how people think? The same reason people waste time bitching about how they're smarter than the bookers and writers. ...But I am smarter than the bookers and writers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2008 17:21:37 GMT -5
The same reason people waste time bitching about how they're smarter than the bookers and writers. ...But I am smarter than the bookers and writers. put three chimps and zoidberg in a room and what do you get? the WWE creative team!
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Post by angryfan on Dec 26, 2008 0:57:08 GMT -5
Been said, but the double standard just kills me. We'll brag about our female employees posing for Playboy, but don't you think about saying any dirty words because there are children present!
As for the whole "control" issue, it's completely obvious that that's the system, period. Why do the majority of new hires, either from a different company or the indys, get "repackaged"? Simple, because that way WWE controls what the viewer sees. It's the whole "you will get X, and you will react accordingly" thing. If, howeveer, many, or even a very loud some, do not react accordingly, we will work THAT into the commentary to explain how those reacting in a manner contrary to what we hoped for are somehow "unconventional" or, in other words, wrong.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 26, 2008 3:42:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see more signs of this ilk, but just for wrestlers in general, i.e.
HATT MARDY! BELTON SHENJAMIN! MEY RYSTERIO! LBJ! WIMMY JANG YANG!
etc
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 26, 2008 8:21:20 GMT -5
JR mentioned in his latest blog that he was glad those signs were taken away and that they have passed the attitude era of "say whatever you want." Some things are always consistent. However, why waste time trying to control how people think? How do you make the jump from " Guy had a giant (and not really kid friendly) sign taken away" to " trying to control how people think"? I'm really curious to how this occurs.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 26, 2008 14:00:22 GMT -5
Heck, i remember seeing a bret "the shotman" hart sign on raw back in 97 (only it didnt say shot) and this was pre-attitude (though they were slowly moving away from that in 97 to be fair).
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Post by metylerca on Dec 26, 2008 14:04:38 GMT -5
Been said, but the double standard just kills me. We'll brag about our female employees posing for Playboy, but don't you think about saying any dirty words because there are children present! As for the whole "control" issue, it's completely obvious that that's the system, period. Why do the majority of new hires, either from a different company or the indys, get "repackaged"? Simple, because that way WWE controls what the viewer sees. It's the whole "you will get X, and you will react accordingly" thing. If, howeveer, many, or even a very loud some, do not react accordingly, we will work THAT into the commentary to explain how those reacting in a manner contrary to what we hoped for are somehow "unconventional" or, in other words, wrong. How dare they want their company to go in their own direction without a few people here or there trying to get themselves over by going against the grain! How dare they, indeed.
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Post by efram on Dec 26, 2008 14:05:17 GMT -5
i actually thought that 'we've cena nuff' was quite clever and made me smile, but anyway like JR said the days of bringing signs that are the slightest bit controversial are over
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Dec 26, 2008 14:46:06 GMT -5
Been said, but the double standard just kills me. We'll brag about our female employees posing for Playboy, but don't you think about saying any dirty words because there are children present! As for the whole "control" issue, it's completely obvious that that's the system, period. Why do the majority of new hires, either from a different company or the indys, get "repackaged"? Simple, because that way WWE controls what the viewer sees. It's the whole "you will get X, and you will react accordingly" thing. If, howeveer, many, or even a very loud some, do not react accordingly, we will work THAT into the commentary to explain how those reacting in a manner contrary to what we hoped for are somehow "unconventional" or, in other words, wrong. How dare they want their company to go in their own direction without a few people here or there trying to get themselves over by going against the grain! How dare they, indeed. How's that Koolaid taste? All of Angryfan’s points were spot on. Just because WWE wants a certain image presented doesn't mean their paying audience should automatically accept it carte blanche. Seriously, that's the point; it's not just their product-- it belongs to the people who pay to see it--they're entertainment-- and by proxy people can react anyway they want as long as it isn't disrupting the show in any way. Their problem is they can't accept even the slightest hint of backlash even if it is from a harmless tiny percentile of their overall fanbase. And this stems from their lack of flexibility to ever change or even look at certain things that may not be working. WWE has become a manufacturing line, and their writers and bookers are the equivalent of bored line-workers dropping the same crap into a box hour after after. The thought is gone in most cases—the originality. WWE is a formula. And one that sadly needs a reboot like played out WWF formulas of a bygone era that worked, but now just keep a small percentage of a fragmented audience—who watch no matter what— entertained, while not capturing the imagination of anyone who’d normally not give two shits about wrestling, thus relaunching another boom. Wrestling is not cyclical. No one just watches all of a sudden for no reason and embraces a tired direction. Wrestling’s golden ages came about not by accident but through an orchestrated change of pace in how they present their product. Anyway, I think their fear comes from the fact that often, their audience can be swayed on a whim, and then react against their wishes or plans. i.e. The Matt Hardy thing…even if that change is much more appropriate and satisfying than the manufactured non-emotionally driven fakery of say Kane & Lita’s “divorce”—their original “idea”. What they don't realize is, even if the crowd does get brainwashed or swayed by the grumblings of a started few, that's just the way things go. That IS how things catch on. Not just in wrestling. My point is, they can't expect to always control things. Cena, as a character, is MUCH more interesting when they allow both the embrace and the hatred. It gets real lame when they pretend there's not a portion of the crowd that hates him. Or tell the home audience that the reaction they're hearing is wrong. The problem with having a monopoly is after a while, you start believing you don’t ever have to answer to anyone…even your customers.
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Post by mpt on Dec 26, 2008 20:17:04 GMT -5
THey even confiscated a "We've Cena Nuff" sign on this week's Raw, and it didn't have one bit of profanity! It just shows you that the WWE has become a totalitarian state.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 26, 2008 20:25:42 GMT -5
How dare they want their company to go in their own direction without a few people here or there trying to get themselves over by going against the grain! How dare they, indeed. How's that Koolaid taste? All of Angryfan’s points were spot on. Just because WWE wants a certain image presented doesn't mean their paying audience should automatically accept it carte blanche. Seriously, that's the point; it's not just their product-- it belongs to the people who pay to see it--they're entertainment-- and by proxy people can react anyway they want as long as it isn't disrupting the show in any way. Their problem is they can't accept even the slightest hint of backlash even if it is from a harmless tiny percentile of their overall fanbase. And this stems from their lack of flexibility to ever change or even look at certain things that may not be working. WWE has become a manufacturing line, and their writers and bookers are the equivalent of bored line-workers dropping the same crap into a box hour after after. The thought is gone in most cases—the originality. WWE is a formula. And one that sadly needs a reboot like played out WWF formulas of a bygone era that worked, but now just keep a small percentage of a fragmented audience—who watch no matter what— entertained, while not capturing the imagination of anyone who’d normally not give two excretory matters about wrestling, thus relaunching another boom. Wrestling is not cyclical. No one just watches all of a sudden for no reason and embraces a tired direction. Wrestling’s golden ages came about not by accident but through an orchestrated change of pace in how they present their product. Anyway, I think their fear comes from the fact that often, their audience can be swayed on a whim, and then react against their wishes or plans. i.e. The Matt Hardy thing…even if that change is much more appropriate and satisfying than the manufactured non-emotionally driven fakery of say Kane & Lita’s “divorce”—their original “idea”. What they don't realize is, even if the crowd does get brainwashed or swayed by the grumblings of a started few, that's just the way things go. That IS how things catch on. Not just in wrestling. My point is, they can't expect to always control things. Cena, as a character, is MUCH more interesting when they allow both the embrace and the hatred. It gets real lame when they pretend there's not a portion of the crowd that hates him. Or tell the home audience that the reaction they're hearing is wrong. The problem with having a monopoly is after a while, you start believing you don’t ever have to answer to anyone…even your customers. And when you start thinking THAT way, customers and patrons decide that they'd rather NOT give you their hard earned money if that's the way you're going to act. I stand by my earlier prediction of WWE's next step being studio taped shows. Heck, in this economy, just THINK of the money they'd save if they did that. And then they could control everything, from the BOOS to the CHEERS to the age of those admitted. And really, all it would take is for someone in TNA to wake up and realize that they can, in fact, offer an alternative to WWE's "Kiddie-Tude" era. They can offer more adult oriented, intelligent, dramatic storylines and characters that actually speak, think and act like adults. Basically do to the WWE what the WWE did to wCw back in the day. Present something more cutting edge and make Vince's playground look as third grade as it really is.
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