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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Jan 2, 2009 14:16:19 GMT -5
this is the worst spot of all...i can't stand it, the setup is so dumb.
It could work if he did it only once in awhile...but he does it EVERY match, sometimes 2 or 3 TIMES A MATCH!!
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jan 2, 2009 14:25:05 GMT -5
Yeah you are right. I sorta remember that now. Gosh I miss that Rey. So bad *sniff sniff*
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Post by Loki on Jan 2, 2009 16:47:11 GMT -5
Is there a move in Rey's arsenal that doesn't require a ridiculous high amount of suspension of disbelief?
IMO Rey should have never been used outside of the Cruiserweight Division.
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Post by HBKite on Jan 2, 2009 16:50:56 GMT -5
The 619 is a terrible finisher, he should use it as a regular move in my opinion.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2009 17:16:39 GMT -5
I buy the set-up for the 619 better than that legdrop on the opponent stuck in the ropes that he used to do in WCW. The only person that sold the set-up decently enough was Kidman.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2009 17:18:21 GMT -5
The 619 is a terrible finisher, he should use it as a regular move in my opinion. It isn't his finisher. It is a set-up for that springboard sit-out splash that it one of his finishers. |
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Post by Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems on Jan 2, 2009 17:30:52 GMT -5
If you watch any lucha, the 619 as we know it is by no means a finisher. It's a mid-match spot to set up for something even more choreographed. Why he or WWE thought to use it as anything else boggles my mind but as for the set up it's less ridiculous than the stinkface/Umaga Ass Bomber/Jeff's corner dropkick, etc. set-up. As has been mentioned, the second rope chokehas been done to death for decades and is only recently out of style.
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Post by Loki on Jan 2, 2009 17:36:41 GMT -5
The 619 is a terrible finisher, he should use it as a regular move in my opinion. It isn't his finisher. It is a set-up for that springboard sit-out splash that it one of his finishers. Another horribly contrived move... The logical reversal would be a powerbomb, or even waving him off like a mosquito would work. Surely having a guy 1 foot taller and 50lbs heavier than Rey fall like cardboard is not the most credible thing. Even for the magical world of pro wrestling |
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Post by The QC Loser on Jan 2, 2009 17:39:59 GMT -5
The bossman used to use the spot of the opponent falling on the second rope all the time. He would either jump on their back after bouncing off the ropes or he would slide under and uppercut them.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2009 17:41:59 GMT -5
It isn't his finisher. It is a set-up for that springboard sit-out splash that it one of his finishers. Another horribly contrived move... The logical reversal would be a powerbomb, or even waving him off like a mosquito would work. Surely having a guy 1 foot taller and 50lbs heavier than Rey fall like cardboard is not the most credible thing. Even for the magical world of pro wrestling I believe Matt Hardy reversed one of Rey's moves in that exact same manner once. Looked pretty good too. |
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Jan 2, 2009 18:30:55 GMT -5
Not to mention how many times the opponent starts to get up just that tiny bit, so they have one leg under them to sell the kick.
The move was so much better in WCW, when he didn't use it to kick someone, just to put the brakes on and counter an irish whip. Same with Booker's spinaroonie, it had NO business being used as a finisher/setup.
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Post by EJS on Jan 2, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
I have seen Amazing Red do the 619. He calls it the 718. I think honestly I seen him do it before I ever saw Rey do it. Granted either way I don't think it's enough to be a finisher. Jarrett, Jericho, Austin and most everybody else really have just used it a signature ove. really. I think the best I've really seen Rey do the 619 was around the corner post to Kane. That one I kinda bought. First off, cool username (I like the album 'The Silver Tonged Devil and I'). Also, Rey used that move in WCW all the time, but not as an offensive maneuver. It is possible that Amazing Red used the move as an offensive move before Rey did. In WCW, Rey used that move in various ways to trip up his opponent, but I don't even remember him using it as an offensive move the way he does now. I can't remember if he used it in WCW to attack an opponent standing outside the ring, but I never remember him doing it the way he does now. I believe the story goes Tazz say Rey doing it at some point before Rey debuted on Smackdown, and told him he should do it as a signiture move instead of a taunt/fakeout. |
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Post by Schemer on Jan 2, 2009 18:49:16 GMT -5
My dad who is about as markish as someone can get even had problems with it and he regularly insulted it. I don't like the time it takes to do the spot because of the length, and also, you can usually see someone glance behind them to see where Rey is.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2009 19:05:07 GMT -5
It's not as bad as the stinkface setup  Or The Worm. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2009 19:09:17 GMT -5
It isn't his finisher. It is a set-up for that springboard sit-out splash that it one of his finishers. Another horribly contrived move... The logical reversal would be a powerbomb, or even waving him off like a mosquito would work. Surely having a guy 1 foot taller and 50lbs heavier than Rey fall like cardboard is not the most credible thing. Even for the magical world of pro wrestling To be fair, they get it after getting kicked in the face, which would be seen as putting them off their balance. Like you said, though, it's reversible, hence why I think it's a good finisher in its own way. It can lead a dozen places, depending on who he's facing. |
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Post by gaff on Jan 2, 2009 19:24:23 GMT -5
I'm debating what's worse. The 619 or his "fall off the top rope like a corpse" splash. I would think the 'fall off the top rope' would be more devastiting because you would be coming down like a dead weight |
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Post by Lara on Jan 2, 2009 19:34:53 GMT -5
It's the length of time it takes to set up and execute that puts me off.
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Post by r. on Jan 2, 2009 19:59:31 GMT -5
ii agree, also for the record has anyone ever countered takers Oldschool (which is a far more absurd spot) while he's crashing down on them?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2009 20:18:23 GMT -5
ii agree, also for the record has anyone ever countered takers Oldschool (which is a far more absurd spot) while he's crashing down on them? A couple of people have. I think Tazz turned it into an armdrag on him once, and I know Mankind has crotched him from it a couple of times. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 2, 2009 22:40:36 GMT -5
When Taker's a heel he seems to almost always get crotched on the top rope, when going for old school.
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