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Post by corndog on Feb 8, 2009 4:10:17 GMT -5
How many of you think that Evolution was a form of the Four Horsemen. They did have the top guy, HHH who was in Flair's spot. Orton who was the new guy like AA, and possibly the technican like Tully(although not as good). But Batista was the enforcer like Arn. Obviously Flair was the veteran like Ole was in '86. Also was this the best since the original?
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 8, 2009 5:27:08 GMT -5
Um. It was a form of a stable. Not the 4Horsemen. It just happend to have 4 people and Ric Flair.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 8, 2009 6:30:49 GMT -5
it mas pretty much the same thing, just under a different name. also, it wasn't the best since the original since the version of the Horseman the is generally considered to be the best is Flair, Tully, Arn & Barry Windham
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Post by bretclark on Feb 8, 2009 7:07:29 GMT -5
No, no, no, and no. Granted, it was a pretty cool concept for about 5 minutes.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 8, 2009 10:58:21 GMT -5
Not only was it a similar idea, both Triple H and Flair was pretty up-front with it as such in interviews around the time. It was a blatent copy and they always said so.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Feb 8, 2009 12:44:39 GMT -5
Not.
Even.
Close.
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Feb 8, 2009 14:21:41 GMT -5
I'm going with the unpopular answer here and saying it most definitely was a form of the Horsemen.
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Post by Single H on Feb 8, 2009 18:05:03 GMT -5
Ya without a doubt. They maybe were not as good as the original 4 Horsemen or as o9ver with the fans or be as fondly remembered or what ever but they were defiantly a version of the 4 Horsemen or a concept of the stable.
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Post by Garee on Feb 8, 2009 18:32:20 GMT -5
They were that kind of stable, but couldn't really compare to the Horsemen
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Post by BRAINFADE on Feb 8, 2009 18:46:13 GMT -5
Not a form of the Horsemen, but definately the closest thing we've had to it in modern times.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 8, 2009 18:50:38 GMT -5
They had the Horsemen in mind when they came up for the idea of starting the stable with Hunter and Flair. In fact, the credible news sites were correctly reported that they were starting a stable with Flair and Triple H.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 8, 2009 18:52:14 GMT -5
Yup. And hell compared to some of the later versions it was better.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Flair,Tully,Ole,Arn and Flair, Tully,Barry,Arn versions; it'd be hard to touch them, but some of the other permutations were weaker than Evolution I feel.
That's probably not the most popular opinion, but there it is.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Feb 8, 2009 19:00:13 GMT -5
I also remember reading reports before Evolution showed up of a new iteration of the Horsemen stable in the works.
So it is possible that they originally kicked around the idea of Evolution being the new Horsemen.
Then of course, you have the promos with Flair and HHH at the time that hinted at it.
Officially they count, but I would say Evolution was, well, an evolution of the Horsemen. You could call them a spiritual successor.
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Post by Loki on Feb 8, 2009 19:13:40 GMT -5
No...
* Triple H wasn't Ric Flair. The only thing the two had in common was their obsession with the World Title, but for totally different kayfabe reasons. Trips was obsessed with proving he was the best, The Nature Boy wanted it as the forte of his arsenal of "weapon of mass seduction"
* The was no Veteran-Mentor in the 4 Horsemen
* Arn & Tully were Flair's goons, those who had to take care of the dirty business for him, but it was half-implied they wouldn't have gone places outside of the Horsemen. Orton and Batista were heavily touted as future World Champions from their first day in Evolution.
So no.
The Four Horsemen:
Who: Ric Flair and his popular minions Kayfabe Goal: keeping the NWA belt on Flair as long as possible, while dominating the rest of the card too Non-Kayfabe Goal: building-up and establishing new faces thanks to a super-established heel champion What happened after it: Flair never was the same, the Horsemen legacy got raped. The end of an era
Evolution:
Who:Triple H, Ric Flair and two Blue Chippers Kayfabe Goal: keeping the WHC title on Triple H, while dominating the rest of the card Non-Kayfabe Goal: establishing the new-born WHC title, giving some credibility back to Flair, establishing Batista and Orton as future Top Names What happened after it: Triple H is still over and is entering Legend Territory, Flair got his last, glorious, hooray and has left a lasting impression on younger fans too, Orton and Batista are established Top Names
The Four Horsemen defined the era they wrestled in, Evolution (faithful to its name) kinda defined its era and the following one
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Feb 8, 2009 19:26:29 GMT -5
I stick to my answer. Sort of.
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Post by Red Lion on Feb 8, 2009 19:29:47 GMT -5
No, but I believe it was formed around the time that Trips and Flair were rumoured to start a New Four Horsemen stable, so the interwebz claimed that that was what Evolution indeed was.
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Post by Loki on Feb 8, 2009 19:41:54 GMT -5
No, but I believe it was formed around the time that Trips and Flair were rumoured to start a New Four Horsemen stable, so the interwebz claimed that that was what Evolution indeed was. So we'll soon have people claimin Legacy is some sort of real-life counterpart to the much rumoured "Orton and his friends against Triple H and HBK's backstage dictatorship"? Originally it was supposed to be Orton, MVP, Umaga and Carlito... I kinda wish it was truth, considering what we're getting instead.
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Post by Franchise on Feb 8, 2009 19:53:52 GMT -5
It was definitely a stable built from the Horsemen's form, but it wasn't actually the 4 Horsemen stable, if that's what you're asking.
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Post by parder on Feb 8, 2009 20:18:55 GMT -5
The Horsemen was an influence of sorts, but the main concept was the 3 generations of greatness obsessed with money, power, women and their man Triple H. The latter part is more similar to the Horsemen than the former.
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Post by Jared Jammer on Feb 8, 2009 22:32:38 GMT -5
Evolution - Four-man "elite" stable. Ruthless, arrogant, suit-wearing, high-life living S.O.B.s. Totally dominate, once simultaneously holding all of the major titles on their brand. WOOO! 4 Horsemen - Four-man "elite" stable. Ruthless, arrogant, suit-wearing, high-life living S.O.B.s. Totally dominate, once simultaneously holding all of the major titles in their fed. WOOO! I'm just not seeing the similarities. I'm pretty sure the Evolution name was a play on the fact that they were basically the Horsemen, evolved. Flair was now the J.J. Dillon of the group, and Triple H was the new Flair. Batista was the new Enforcer, and Orton was the cocky douchebag with a famous last name.
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