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Post by Ramses on Mar 11, 2009 18:43:21 GMT -5
the fighters we should ban if any should be Akuma, Seth and Gouken. Sure, they are toned down, but they are still cheep, so Non bosses would work better.
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Post by King of Fighters on Mar 11, 2009 18:50:08 GMT -5
the fighters we should ban if any should be Akuma, Seth and Gouken. Sure, they are toned down, but they are still cheep, so Non bosses would work better. Gouken and Akuma are not broken in regulaur play.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2009 19:09:20 GMT -5
There are no broken and playable characters in SF4. If Seth were boss-tier as a playable, you'd probably want to ban him, but he isn't. He has the worst damage output in the game and his ability to take damage makes Akuma and Maskless Vega look like tanks. He also doesn't have the insane priority that Boss Seth does.
Akuma is good. REALLY good. But he's tournament legal and Sagat, Viper, and Zangief are on par with or considered better than him, tier-wise. Gouken's also pretty good, but he isn't THE top-tier or anything (at least not yet). If he's banned for anything, it's for being a playable in console-only, but I don't expect many tournaments to do that.
Just for reference, EVO, the biggest tournament in the US, isn't banning any characters. Including Seth.
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Post by King of Fighters on Mar 11, 2009 19:13:55 GMT -5
There are no broken and playable characters in SF4. If Seth were boss-tier as a playable, you'd probably want to ban him, but he isn't. He has the worst damage output in the game and his ability to take damage makes Akuma and Maskless Vega look like tanks. He also doesn't have the insane priority that Boss Seth does. Akuma is good. REALLY good. But he's tournament legal and Sagat, Viper, and Zangief are on par with or considered better than him, tier-wise. Gouken's also pretty good, but he isn't THE top-tier or anything (at least not yet). If he's banned for anything, it's for being a playable in console-only, but I don't expect many tournaments to do that. Just for reference, EVO, the biggest tournament in the US, isn't banning any characters. Including Seth. Pretty much this. SFIV is extremely well balanced and the gap between Top tier *Sagat* and low tier *Vega and Cammy* is pretty small.
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Post by bigHEADinc on Mar 11, 2009 19:27:42 GMT -5
There are no broken and playable characters in SF4. If Seth were boss-tier as a playable, you'd probably want to ban him, but he isn't. He has the worst damage output in the game and his ability to take damage makes Akuma and Maskless Vega look like tanks. He also doesn't have the insane priority that Boss Seth does. Akuma is good. REALLY good. But he's tournament legal and Sagat, Viper, and Zangief are on par with or considered better than him, tier-wise. Gouken's also pretty good, but he isn't THE top-tier or anything (at least not yet). If he's banned for anything, it's for being a playable in console-only, but I don't expect many tournaments to do that. Just for reference, EVO, the biggest tournament in the US, isn't banning any characters. Including Seth. To tell you the truth I haven't even unlocked Seth yet (I'm really not that interested to), but I put that rule into place assuming that he was just as unfair in regular play as he was as the final boss. I wouldn't ban Akuma or Gouken either as they both require skill to play with (The people I've beaten who choose the two can attest to that). That all being said, I don't mind if Seth is used as long as he is as unbroken as you say he is.
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Post by bigHEADinc on Mar 11, 2009 19:47:54 GMT -5
Okay, a little update...
Currently I took down info on 5 people based on replies through PM. I've sent PMs to everybody else who said they were interested.
Currently, here's who have been signed up...
PS3 Tourney[/u] Ramses a big fat fail turtle Arthur Digby Stamp J is Justice, loves Jim Carrey
360 Tourney[/u] bigHEADinc King Fox McGeedorah jamofpearls
Obviously I need at least 8 per system to truly have a tournament...
I've also sent out PMs to the following people, so please PM me back if you're still interested!
Dude is Half-Jill & Half-Jack. Godz, The Red Cyclone Steveweiser Ken-Oh thwak is the genetic repo man! KStrick, it's Tribe time! Satsui no M.O.P. Thanos Doctor Doom
Also, I do plan on adding people on the 360 side of things, so if you see a friend request from Wind224 then it's me, although it is actually my brother's account.
So yeah, if you haven't PM'd me, please do so. If your name is not on any of the lists, please PM me the following...
System of Choice: PSN ID/360 Gamertag: Character of Choice:
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Mar 11, 2009 19:52:21 GMT -5
Hey man, count me in on 360.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2009 20:04:41 GMT -5
I'll get to ya once I decide on a character. But I'm interested in the 360 one.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 11, 2009 20:44:23 GMT -5
To the banning of characters...eh. I just played a few rounds with bigHEAD....ask him how Gouken fared against my Blanka Though to be fair, he then picked Blanka and raped the f*** outta my Chun-Li Anyway, Seth is pretty crappy. In regular play, he takes double damage and his moves do considerably less damage.
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Post by bigHEADinc on Mar 11, 2009 20:47:04 GMT -5
To the banning of characters...eh. I just played a few rounds with bigHEAD....ask him how Gouken fared against my Blanka Though to be fair, he then picked Blanka and raped the snork outta my Chun-Li Anyway, Seth is pretty crappy. In regular play, he takes double damage and his moves do considerably less damage. Yeah, f*** Gouken... Don't worry buddy, you'll get yours... As for Seth, I'm assuming that means he plays kinda like Shin Akuma and God Rugal in Capcom vs. SNK 2 (They were strong as hell but took double the damage of everybody else).
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Mar 11, 2009 20:50:48 GMT -5
IMO Seth isn't even that strong, he just has a versatile amount of moves.
Seriously, once you play as him you'll look at the damage he does and say WTF? His ultra combo suddenly does less damage than a spinning piledriver from Zangief.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Mar 11, 2009 21:01:15 GMT -5
You can count me in for a PS3 tourny. PSN ID is in the sig. If you have sigs turned off, it's "A-welCruiz" (no quotes, duh)
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2009 21:40:05 GMT -5
To the banning of characters...eh. I just played a few rounds with bigHEAD....ask him how Gouken fared against my Blanka Though to be fair, he then picked Blanka and raped the snork outta my Chun-Li Anyway, Seth is pretty crappy. In regular play, he takes double damage and his moves do considerably less damage. Yeah, f*** Gouken... Don't worry buddy, you'll get yours... As for Seth, I'm assuming that means he plays kinda like Shin Akuma and God Rugal in Capcom vs. SNK 2 (They were strong as hell but took double the damage of everybody else). Seth WISHES he had the damage output of Shin Akuma and God Rugal. He makes Dan look strong by comparison. His biggest strength is his versatility, as he has all sorts of moves. And his Shoryuken and QCB+K can do decent amounts of damage. And while his Ultra does a pathetic amount of damage compared to some others, it hits at fullscreen, so it can make for a good punishment tool when your opponent's not in a position to block. That's about it, though. Also, theoretically, two heavy normals and a full meter Final Atomic Buster from Zangief can KO Seth.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2009 22:38:58 GMT -5
Oh, if anyone's interested, here's some Japanese tiers as of 2/2009. Now, like any other tier list, especially one for a game as competitively young as SF4, these aren't absolute, so expect some shakeups later on. These also don't include the console-only characters, so these aren't going to last long. Should be interesting to see how things change by EVO, as that tournament will allow ALL the characters.
God - Sagat, C. Viper, Akuma, Zangief
Top - Ryu, Boxer, Rufus, Blanka
Upper - Chun-Li, Dictator, Ken, Dhalsim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte
Mid - Claw, Guile
And before anyone mentions the tier list in Prima's SF4 strategy guide, ignore it. Those tiers mean dick as the console-exclusive characters haven't seen extensive high-level and tournament play yet.
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 11, 2009 22:51:24 GMT -5
I wonder why nobody uses her.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Mar 11, 2009 22:51:24 GMT -5
Oh, if anyone's interested, here's some Japanese tiers as of 2/2009. Now, like any other tier list, especially one for a game as competitively young as SF4, these aren't absolute, so expect some shakeups later on. These also don't include the console-only characters, so these aren't going to last long. Should be interesting to see how things change by EVO, as that tournament will allow ALL the characters. God - Sagat, C. Viper, Akuma, Zangief Top - Ryu, Boxer, Rufus, Blanka Upper - Chun-Li, Dictator, Ken, Dhalsim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte Mid - Claw, Guile And before anyone mentions the tier list in Prima's SF4 strategy guide, ignore it. Those tiers mean dick as the console-exclusive characters haven't seen extensive high-level and tournament play yet. Although I am hearing that fei-long has a dizzy loop on the consoles so he may have some issues in tournament play soon.
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Post by King of Fighters on Mar 11, 2009 22:54:46 GMT -5
I wonder why nobody uses her. She top tier but a bit tough to use right, plus shes a completely new character so it'll be awhile before she sees major use. Her superjump is extremely good Canceling purposes. Thwak-Probably not, El Feurte has an infinte attack loop himself. The usual tournament rules with things like that is that if you use em your kicked out.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 11, 2009 23:14:12 GMT -5
Viper's a very advanced character, but in the right hands she can be an absolute monster.
Fei Long and Fuerte have infinites, but they're very situational and only work on a few characters. Infinites tend to be banned from tournament play anyway, but these two in particular are pretty hard to pull off.
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Post by honsou on Mar 11, 2009 23:26:41 GMT -5
Fei Long and Fuerte have infinites, but they're very situational and only work on a few characters. Infinites tend to be banned from tournament play anyway, but these two in particular are pretty hard to pull off. Infinites are never banned from tournament play, the only things that were ever banned were actual cheating or horrible glitches (guile glitch, for anyone whos never seen it, look it up on youtube and see how hilarious it is). Anyway I'm up for the 360 tournament, my gamertag is honsou94
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Mar 12, 2009 0:52:56 GMT -5
Fei Long and Fuerte have infinites, but they're very situational and only work on a few characters. Infinites tend to be banned from tournament play anyway, but these two in particular are pretty hard to pull off. Infinites are never banned from tournament play, the only things that were ever banned were actual cheating or horrible glitches (guile glitch, for anyone whos never seen it, look it up on youtube and see how hilarious it is). Anyway I'm up for the 360 tournament, my gamertag is honsou94 I thought you could store a charge with guile in street fighter 2... maybe I've heard wrong.
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