so randy orton basically beats up old people?

[kanyoncutter]

barryhorowitz4ever said:

you think they will ever bring in ddp, to have a "my more vs. your rip off version" match lol

To be honest he should be brought in to give orton lessons on how to use his finisher. Some people seem to believe orton does it better but honestly ddp seem to have more variety and surprise with it. See we wouldnt think this if wwe had let orton learn his craft a little more in the ring. Of course the deadman will get pinned by him at some point sadly. I say send orton to OVW for some seasoning and some time away from the camera.

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kanyoncutter said:

However the nail in the coffin for me on the ring skills theory was when he botched the rko on jericho back in january and had to get up and retry.

He's made roughly 4 or 5 mistakes in the ring and as we see from last monday's RAW even a couple of pros like Flair & Angle can make mistakes. People have greatly exagratted his mistakes

[barryhorowitz4ever]

such a shame they didnt take ddp seriously yeah orton really needs to go to ovw. did anyone else yawn when he was introduced as the second draft pick lol

[kanyoncutter]

cyclonechyno said:

He's made roughly 4 or 5 mistakes in the ring and as we see from last monday's RAW even a couple of pros like Flair & Angle can make mistakes. People have greatly exagratted his mistakes

Sorry I cant blame jericho and its more than 4 or 5 mistakes he just plain looks green at a lot of times in the ring. Also this monster heel he was came a lot from hanging in evolution so he hasnt proven jack to me. Christian is a more potent canidate for the legend killer gimmick. Randy is a canidate for a sexual harassment gimmick (Sorry pot shot at backstage accusations)

[kanyoncutter]

barryhorowitz4ever said:

such a shame they didnt take ddp seriously yeah orton really needs to go to ovw. did anyone else yawn when he was introduced as the second draft pick lol

No I was hoping they would say it was a mistake and he was supposed to be drafted to wwe velocity.

['Foretold' Joker]

The worst there is, the worst there was and the worst there ever will be . . .

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kanyoncutter said:

Sorry I cant blame jericho and its more than 4 or 5 mistakes he just plain looks green at a lot of times in the ring.

Of course we can't blame jericho, it's against the law here

;D

Also, name these other mistakes because the only ones I can think of are

RKO on Jericho (Which I still feel wasn't his fault)
The time he took 3 attempts to undo a turnbuckle (Even I cringed at this one)
The time he announced a tag team match for the world championship (And that even ain't in ring)

[barryhorowitz4ever]

"The worst there is, the worst there was and the worst there ever will be . . ."

lol! wouldnt that be great if that was his new catch phrase!

[kanyoncutter]

joker said:

The worst there is, the worst there was and the worst there ever will be . . .

True but sadly I fear marketing did get some people and this thread will grow to become insanely large and full of supporters and haters of him. Gimmick is workable the person behind it is currently not. I also love how people always compare randy to cena its a null point. Cena got over with how ever many moves you figure he does, and everyone in the main crowd pops for him. Orton got over mainly with women in the crowd and thats not quite the same. Stack it with the fact most people hate cena due to his gimmick(white people can rap even if he cant so it is ok) and your looking at a weird argument.

Mainly I feel orton was rushed and whatever greatness he had is currently in jeopardy due to the wwe itself in some cases not admitting defeat. (his injury could have saved him somewhat)

['Foretold' Joker]

Randy Orton is in fact similar to maven . . . . except Maven's dad isn't an ex-wrestler . . . lol

[kanyoncutter]

joker said:

Randy Orton is in fact similar to maven . . . . except Maven's dad isn't an ex-wrestler . . . lol

Thats a good one especially considering Orton's dad wasnt much of a wrestler (not a legend im sorry its true) but i just got an idea.

Make orton's dad feud with him. Have Orton's dad lose.

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kanyoncutter said:

Thats a good one especially considering Orton's dad wasnt much of a wrestler (not a legend im sorry its true) but i just got an idea

Before I say this, I want to make this clear. I regard Bob Orton's induction as the weakest one to date but the guy was involved in the first Wrestlemania main event, and I don't buy the theory it was done to make Orton happy since the WWE had recognised Orton wasn't over as a face and pulled him from the main event so why induct his dad for Orton's sake? I just find it hard to swallow

Btw is this bitch about Orton threads going to be a monthly occurance because if so I'll make notes ahead of the next one...

[Bhester]

any time an RKO is reversed, you know Orton's winning a match, because the Orton match formula is as follows:

reversed RKO
reversed opponents finisher
RKO
1-2-3

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Did Taker reverse Orton's finisher at Mania?

I think he might have, unsure though. Anyone remember?

[kanyoncutter]

cyclonechyno said:

Before I say this, I want to make this clear. I regard Bob Orton's induction as the weakest one to date but the guy was involved in the first Wrestlemania main event, and I don't buy the theory it was done to make Orton happy since the WWE had recognised Orton wasn't over as a face and pulled him from the main event so why induct his dad for Orton's sake? I just find it hard to swallow

Btw is this pregnant dog about Orton threads going to be a monthly occurance because if so I'll make notes ahead of the next one...

I dont buy that either to be honest with ya but I think they decided to hold off other bigger potential inductees for future induction.

Also yeah the I hate orton threads are becoming common. In all honesty though no matter how nice he is to fans outside of the ring and no matter how many legends he beats until he fans that way to click with a larger majority of the audience you will probably keep seeing these things.

When your promised a lot of greatness (and the general public along with net smarks were even if it wasnt directly) a lot of greatness is expected. So far it hasnt happened.

Im out of the arguement for now im sure page 7 will exist when I check again.

[maskedsasquatch]

The problem was that they pushed him too hard. Period. His match against Foley at Backlash and the thumbtack bump proved to me that he wants it badly enough. Hey, at least he's wrestling. Wheres' Goldberg? Lesnar? I don't care for Orton but the legend killer gimmick is sound.

[Lancers]

Randy Orton has the pompous, arrogant look to him that suits his "legend killer" persona perfectly. And whoever made the joke about having the same moveset as Maven without the famous dad is 100% correct. The WWE has usually tried harder to push second and third generation superstars because of lineage which seems stupid and it is.

[thebiggestdave]

I think Randy is pretty good as long as we don't have another crap match where he gets "knocked out" like at the Royal Rumble. That ruined the whole PPV.

As for Taker reversing the finisher, it was the other way round. Randy reversed the chokeslam into an RKO, which looked awesome, but Taker grabbed the bottom rope when Orton pinned him. Orton went for a tombstone, Taker reversed that into one of his own. Good match.

[EvilShadow76]

The Legend Killer gimmick sucks balls. A crappy gimmick for a very crappy wrestler.

Sadly McMahon will continue to force this guy on us when he returns full time why I don't know. There's not a damn thing good about Orton.

[admiralcrunchy™]

I too enjoy this gimmick...expecially as a heel since he gets alot of heat from the crowd everytime he attacks them. And it shouldn't matter if Randy Orton isn't as great as Jake the Snake...here's a guy who is young and in his prime and here's another guy who hasn't really done anything since the mid 90's. Even Quake said he would have no problem putting Orton over. And I wouldn't mind seeing Hogan do it either, but Hogan would never do it since in order to put people over...he must be given the title first...and I really don't want to see that happen.