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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 23, 2005 8:02:34 GMT -5
This week, Cena's album is at #82 on the Billboard 200, down from #64 last week.
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Post by doubleyou on Jun 23, 2005 8:04:45 GMT -5
Nelson Muntz: "HA HA!"
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Post by hbkismyherostill on Jun 23, 2005 8:07:02 GMT -5
I wonder where it would be if stores actually carried it. In my area Target and Best Buy were sold out the day it came out.
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Post by Bhester on Jun 23, 2005 8:10:06 GMT -5
My local Walmart had one copy, but really nobody buys cds like that from Walmart.
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Post by jevman on Jun 23, 2005 12:04:54 GMT -5
I wonder how many it would have sold if "The Trademark" wasn't on the CD, and someone who could rap was. For example, a monkey in a tux.
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Post by Hypnotix on Jun 23, 2005 15:20:12 GMT -5
Is Cena's CD enhanced with video footage on it? If it is, I'll buy it.
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Post by hbkismyherostill on Jun 23, 2005 23:48:43 GMT -5
Is Cena's CD enhanced with video footage on it? If it is, I'll buy it. Not enhanced...sorry.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jun 30, 2005 9:40:42 GMT -5
This week on the Billboard 200, Cena's album drops to #96 in its 7th week. At this rate, it will drop out of the Top 100 next week.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jun 30, 2005 10:08:27 GMT -5
Heh... the fact that it was in the top 100 at all is amazing.
Think of it this way... it's a WWE wrestler. That slashes the amount of people who would give it a shot. It's widely known that he portrays the rapper gimmick, whether it's genuine or not isn't the issue, but there is the doubt there that he's just exploiting his gimmick and could really care less about rap, that plausible doubt slashes the amount of people further.
The ones most heavily advertising this are the WWE themselves. And since not everyone who enjoys rap watches the WWE, that also slashes the amount of people who would give it a chance.
And also, despite this... it's still considered mainstream. Which also slashes the amount of people who would give this a chance.
So taken all that into account, it's truly amazing that he made it into the top 100 at all. Just think of how many amazing albums never even touch the top 100. So either the marketing machine is in full swing and a lot of people blindly followed, or this CD is actually better than people thought.
Not a rap fan, so I can't give a review. But, just taking all this into account... you have to give credit to whoever masterminded this. Be it Cena himself, or just the WWE saying "Hey, let's make our rapper guy make a rap CD."
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Post by hbkismyherostill on Jun 30, 2005 10:10:29 GMT -5
I read that it debuted pretty well in Australia of all places recently.
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Post by richardnoggin on Jun 30, 2005 12:00:01 GMT -5
Heh... the fact that it was in the top 100 at all is amazing. Think of it this way... it's a WWE wrestler. That slashes the amount of people who would give it a shot. It's widely known that he portrays the rapper gimmick, whether it's genuine or not isn't the issue, but there is the doubt there that he's just exploiting his gimmick and could really care less about rap, that plausible doubt slashes the amount of people further. The ones most heavily advertising this are the WWE themselves. And since not everyone who enjoys rap watches the WWE, that also slashes the amount of people who would give it a chance. And also, despite this... it's still considered mainstream. Which also slashes the amount of people who would give this a chance. So taken all that into account, it's truly amazing that he made it into the top 100 at all. Just think of how many amazing albums never even touch the top 100. So either the marketing machine is in full swing and a lot of people blindly followed, or this CD is actually better than people thought. Not a rap fan, so I can't give a review. But, just taking all this into account... you have to give credit to whoever masterminded this. Be it Cena himself, or just the WWE saying "Hey, let's make our rapper guy make a rap CD." i'm not sure how amazing it really is. hell i think even those lame WWE cds with entrance themes made the top 100.
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Post by ACG2x on Jun 30, 2005 12:19:19 GMT -5
OK, I'll go with my Cena album review here-
IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD. I really think that alot of people dissing it have heard only Cena's theme and Bad Bad Man.
The whole album, while not a ***** classic rap CD (to me, that's reserved for only The Chronic, Life After Death and The Eminem Show) is very good. Cena is a talented MC and makes numerous creative rhymes on lots of the tracks.
While the WWE may view this CD as a way to make a fast buck off Cena's popularity, Cena and Trademarc do not. The beats are really impressive. Some of the stuff comes off as sounding strange though but Cena is at his best when he's profane and loud which is what he's allowed to be here.
I am willing to bet that decent portion of the hate comes from people who don't like most rap period or don't like John Cena's WWE character. Therefore, your opinion on the album is predicated on that fact.
I'm also decently sure that I'll get a post or two calling me an "OMG, ur justt a Jawn Seena fanboy u fag" or something of the like but before you do, do a post search for my previous posts on Cena. I'm not rehashing old stuff here, go read it.
I enjoy all music and hip hop is no exception. Cena's album I think was never going to be a true #1 chart topper because he's A)- White and B)- A wrestler.
The general public automatically equates wrestlers with "fake" and thus assumes that the CD will be the same.
And I hate to bring it up, but no white rapper in the near future will be able to make it huge because of the dominance of Eminem. Rap is considered a "black" industry and there really is only room for one white MC for the time being. If you don't believe me, how many other white MC's (no Kid Rock is not an MC) have made it that big since Marshall Mathers hit the scene.
I'd give "You Can't See Me" a **1/2 out of *****. It's worth a buy if you are into hip hop and Cena does have lots of creative rhymes and good beats. A few songs that are too slow and almost boring, but not a bad album.
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Post by laserblade on Jun 30, 2005 12:24:17 GMT -5
His singing might be good but if his cd does badly that means his wwe status will go down... And I'll be happy
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Post by richardnoggin on Jun 30, 2005 12:24:49 GMT -5
you can thank randy savage for the predetermind notion of the american public.
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Post by Benjamin Boone on Jun 30, 2005 12:26:08 GMT -5
OK, I'll go with my Cena album review here- IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD. I really think that alot of people dissing it have heard only Cena's theme and Bad Bad Man. The whole album, while not a ***** classic rap CD (to me, that's reserved for only The Chronic, Life After Death and The Eminem Show) is very good. Cena is a talented MC and makes numerous creative rhymes on lots of the tracks. While the WWE may view this CD as a way to make a fast buck off Cena's popularity, Cena and Trademarc do not. The beats are really impressive. Some of the stuff comes off as sounding strange though but Cena is at his best when he's profane and loud which is what he's allowed to be here. I am willing to bet that decent portion of the hate comes from people who don't like most rap period or don't like John Cena's WWE character. Therefore, your opinion on the album is predicated on that fact. I'm also decently sure that I'll get a post or two calling me an "OMG, ur justt a Jawn Seena fanboy u enchanted person" or something of the like but before you do, do a post search for my previous posts on Cena. I'm not rehashing old stuff here, go read it. I enjoy all music and hip hop is no exception. Cena's album I think was never going to be a true #1 chart topper because he's A)- White and B)- A wrestler. The general public automatically equates wrestlers with "fake" and thus assumes that the CD will be the same. And I hate to bring it up, but no white rapper in the near future will be able to make it huge because of the dominance of Eminem. Rap is considered a "black" industry and there really is only room for one white MC for the time being. If you don't believe me, how many other white MC's (no Kid Rock is not an MC) have made it that big since Marshall Mathers hit the scene. I'd give "You Can't See Me" a **1/2 out of *****. It's worth a buy if you are into hip hop and Cena does have lots of creative rhymes and good beats. A few songs that are too slow and almost boring, but not a bad album. OH MY GAWD U JAWN SEENA FANN AND I H8 JAWN SEENA HE DESTROY WWE AND SO DO YOU! I kid man. I haven't gotten John Cena's CD, but I know that he isn't pretending to be someone he isn't. It's too bad that most of the responses given as to why people don't like Cena is because 1) He's white 2) He listens and recites rap 3) Put the two together and he's automatically a poser or wigger or any other dumb ignorant term people like to throw around.
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Post by hbkismyherostill on Jun 30, 2005 12:27:54 GMT -5
I am willing to bet that decent portion of the hate comes from people who don't like most rap period or don't like John Cena's WWE character. Therefore, your opinion on the album is predicated on that fact. I'm also decently sure that I'll get a post or two calling me an "OMG, ur justt a Jawn Seena fanboy u enchanted person" or something of the like but before you do, do a post search for my previous posts on Cena. I'm not rehashing old stuff here, go read it. Ok my good man I am happy you said what you said about the people that hate John Cena the wrestler are giving a very biased review on his album.(that I bet they never heard outside of two songs) It's also unfair to judge it if you're not even a rap fan at all. I am not so I'm not even gonna try and rate it. And yes....sadly you will be called a Cena "fanboy" or my personal favorite "12 year old girl" over this by a few people that cannot understand this from that. I like the album even though a few songs sound a lil campy I do appreciate the guy's effort.
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Post by Joe on Jun 30, 2005 12:33:59 GMT -5
I have been a fan of Hip-hop for 20 years. The first rap album I purchased was Whodini's "Escape" so I am definitely qualified to speak about the quality of Cena's album.
It is pretty good. When Cena first started, I had my doubts about his gimmick and his ability to flow. After listening to the album, however, I can say he is pretty good good on the mic. He is no Jay-Z, but lyrically he is better than Baby, Mike Jones and Mase to name a few.
As far as those who seem to celebrate the "failure" of his album because it is poised to drop out of the Top 100 after several weeks: That isn't a failure. Many second-tier rap and rock artists find there albums out of the Top 100 in less than 4 weeks. When you factor in the fact that we live in the bootleg era (imagine how many albums Eminem, Nelly and Jay-Z would have sold prior to the prevalence of music downloading), and you will see that Cena's CD is definitely a success. Hopefully, he will continue to try and develop as an MC, because he does have potential.
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Post by richardnoggin on Jun 30, 2005 12:35:35 GMT -5
"When you factor in the fact that we live in the bootleg era (imagine how many albums Eminem, Nelly and Jay-Z would have sold prior to the prevalence of music downloading),"
music downloading (piracy) cost the industry 4.4. BILLION dollars last year.
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Post by Joe on Jun 30, 2005 12:42:12 GMT -5
"When you factor in the fact that we live in the bootleg era (imagine how many albums Eminem, Nelly and Jay-Z would have sold prior to the prevalence of music downloading)," music downloading (piracy) cost the industry 4.4. BILLION dollars last year. Thank you. The people I mentioned in my posts have had very successful album sales despite this. If not for piracy, Eminem and/or Nelly probably would have sold "Thriller" numbers.
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Post by Benjamin Boone on Jun 30, 2005 12:43:17 GMT -5
That is A LOT of cash lost. I can only imagine the money lost will be higher at the end of this year too.
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