Miss RKO
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Post by Miss RKO on Mar 24, 2009 7:23:56 GMT -5
A grown man beating up a 60 year old isnt as bad in the eyes of pro wrestling as it is to thrash a woman Stephanie took one bump. Ric Flair got the living crap kicked out of him for 10 minutes. Beaten, ostensibly, to the point of bleeding profusely. Kicked up and down, inside and outside the ring. And oh yeah, clobbered in the head with a television camera. It wasn't even close. If one is not going to complain about a senior citizen getting a savage blood-inducing beating for 10 minutes, how can one then complain about an adult woman (and a former WWE Women's Champion, by the way ) taking ONE lousy bump? EDIT: Miss RKO, I know you aren't necessarily defending that double standard yourself. That's why I changed 'you' to 'one' in the last paragraph. To pro wrestling an old man can defend himself but a woman can't...its crap since girls can but in real life beating up either is wrong. It bugs me that violence is allowed to women if she's a heel since it sends the wrong message to people. ANY violence to a woman heel or face shouldnt be allowed and even tho Steph can take bumps they shouldnt do it, if they're in PG mode. I know its wrestling but kids do take what they see as serious
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Johnny D
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Post by Johnny D on Mar 24, 2009 7:30:10 GMT -5
Ted and Cody are all like yucky he kissed a girl. "That is sooo gay!"
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Miss RKO
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Miss RKO on Mar 24, 2009 8:51:51 GMT -5
Ted and Cody are all like yucky he kissed a girl. "That is sooo gay!" Jealousy brews in Legacy
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Post by queenbee on Mar 24, 2009 10:04:40 GMT -5
You know, if this was real life and I was HHH, after I got out of the hospital for treatment of my cracked skull, I'd hunt down Shawn Michaels and kick his ass. Some best friend who sits there and lets all that transpire and does nothing about it. Well, he was too busy digging the graveyard
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 13:33:11 GMT -5
To pro wrestling an old man can defend himself but a woman can't In pro wrestling, a woman can hold a man's singles title. In pro wrestling, a woman can straight-up beat a man who outweighs her by 80-100 pounds (or more, at times). So why aren't you concerned about kids 'taking seriously' that it's okay to beat up a senior citizen to the point where he is bleeding out of his head? Much like Stephanie McMahon, Ric Flair could not defend himself there. Unlike Stephanie who only took one bump, Flair caught a savage beating for 10 minutes. When you compare the two scenarios on every facet but gender, the Flair scenario looks far, far worse. Flair is as weak as Stephanie, he's older, he took a SUBSTANTIALLY longer beating, AND it was substantially more savage (being bludgeoned with a camera, having his head busted open, etc). So, with every facet but gender factored in, the balance is actually quite heavily on the side of the Ric Flair segment as being substantially more objectionable, but NOT to the point where it doesn't warrant a change from the PG rating. But because Flair is a man and Stephanie is a woman, the former is PG and the latter is worse than PG? The difference between "violence against defenseless women" and "violence against defenseless men" is so severe that it tips the scale that far the other way? That's an awfully odd conclusion to draw about a society that is supposed to be a gender-blind meritocracy. And if you're concerned about the wrong message, how can saying "it's okay to beat a male senior citizen halfway to death but you can't touch a woman" send anything but an incredibly wrong message? Messages like that empower female bullies, they empower women to be violent in public, in relationships, or anywhere where they may be violent to a man without fear of any sort of reprisal in self defence. And for the record, senior citizens are also VERY vulnerable to abuse, physical or otherwise, from those charged to take care of them. But none of those real world issues matter, because pro wrestling is theater. It is a performance martial art with standards and forms over a century old. The stories center around a violent 'sport', the stories are told with violence. And women are becoming a far greater part of it. No longer just worthless eye-candy. Women are becoming pivotal parts of these violent stories, as passive instigators (Vicky Guerrero), as violent instigators (the Divas routinely beating the snot out of Santino Marella, women who have held males singles titles, etc.) and as helpless victims (Stephanie McMahon). To say that women have no active part in this violent theater would be to spit on women like LuFisto and Mickie Knuckles, or women in other performance martial arts like Michelle Yeoh and Cynthia Rothrock, or women in legitimate violent sports like Lalia Ali and Lucia Rijker. Equality is great, I embrace it daily. I encourage you to do so too.
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Miss RKO
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Miss RKO on Mar 24, 2009 13:44:51 GMT -5
Flair may be 60 but he seems to be able to hold his own against Jericho and to pro wrestling beating up a guy does seem acceptable and people weren't crying when a face was beating up Flair. This is the problem when a face like Batista is beating up Flair its fully accepted but a heel doing it is wrong? If ANYONE heel or face is thrashing a 60 year old it should be condemmed regardless. Faces are meant to be praised when beating up heels even if they seem defenceless and that is my issue. A face beats up a woman as well its ok but a heel does it and they get called evil but why must the damn face get praised for battering a girl regardless of what she's done?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 14:25:29 GMT -5
Flair may be 60 but he seems to be able to hold his own against Jericho and to pro wrestling beating up a guy does seem acceptable and people weren't crying when a face was beating up Flair. This is the problem when a face like Batista is beating up Flair its fully accepted but a heel doing it is wrong? If ANYONE heel or face is thrashing a 60 year old it should be condemmed regardless. Faces are meant to be praised when beating up heels even if they seem defenceless and that is my issue. A face beats up a woman as well its ok but a heel does it and they get called evil but why must the damn face get praised for battering a girl regardless of what she's done? Why were the faces praised when they finally got their hands on Jimmy Hart or Bobby Heenan? Because the manager was a pipsqueak who hid behind bigger people, attacked people that they had no desire to face fairly, screwed people out of valuable professional achievements, and thus when the face finally got to lay one on the kisser of Heenan / J. Hart etc., it was fair retribution. Of course, Jessie Ventura would have a fit, Gorilla Monsoon would point out that it was just retribution, and so forth. Just like how when (face) Kane finally got his hands on Lita after Lita routinely tortured him week after week, including interfering in his matches by hitting him with everything from a chair to a cinder block (no, really. A cinder block!), people cheered.
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