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Post by destrucity on Oct 9, 2009 16:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by quantum on Oct 10, 2009 9:21:18 GMT -5
Which was the wrong choice and only one persons opinion and IMO also they were way off on a few other years as well. Winning match of the year doesn;t really mean much. As it is all down to one persons (or a few peoples) personal opinions and taste 9and we all have different) and nothing else really. It's when people present opinion as fact when the problems start to arise. 95 had quite a few other matches which were far better than Diesel VS Shawn at Mania during 95 (for example both Bret Hart VS Diesel matches at the Rumble and Survivor Series were far better, Hart VS Hackushi In Your House 1 was again a lot better, HBK VS Razor Summerslam 95 was the better Ladder match and better than Diesel VS HBK at Mania just to name a few)
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Oct 12, 2009 14:13:09 GMT -5
Wrestlemania IX would have been awesome had Papa Shango and El Matador made the main card, and they would not have cut the Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Kamala match-up! (Or was it British Bulldog vs. Berzerker? That was WM8, right?)
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Post by quantum on Oct 13, 2009 13:00:06 GMT -5
Wrestlemania IX would have been awesome had Papa Shango and El Matador made the main card, and they would not have cut the Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Kamala match-up! (Or was it British Bulldog vs. Berzerker? That was WM8, right?) Yeah Bulldog VS Berzerker was Wrestlemania 8. It got cut off which would have been awesome as I always was a big Bulldog fan and think it was a shame he never had a decent singles match at Mania. His feud with Berzerker was below par but better than noting. I never heard anything about Bigelow and Kamala at Mania. I don;t think Kamala was still in WWF Mania 9 time . however battle of two big men Bigelow was a big man who could carry just about anybody. Which is awesome for someone his size.I would have liked to have seen that and think as Bigelow was with WWF at Mania 9 time and wasn;t used it was terrible mismanagement by WWF the fans loved to see Bigelow on the card and they could have found someone for him to face. How about Ramon instead of Backlund as Backlund was doing nothing at that time and was thrown on the card to face Ramon at as a random opponent. A heel vs heel Ramon vs Bigelow feud would have been good in 1993.
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Post by destrucity on Oct 15, 2009 23:35:23 GMT -5
Which was the wrong choice and only one persons opinion and IMO also they were way off on a few other years as well. Winning match of the year doesn;t really mean much. As it is all down to one persons (or a few peoples) personal opinions and taste 9and we all have different) and nothing else really. It's when people present opinion as fact when the problems start to arise. 95 had quite a few other matches which were far better than Diesel VS Shawn at Mania during 95 (for example both Bret Hart VS Diesel matches at the Rumble and Survivor Series were far better, Hart VS Hackushi In Your House 1 was again a lot better, HBK VS Razor Summerslam 95 was the better Ladder match and better than Diesel VS HBK at Mania just to name a few) FYI, the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Awards are not one person's opinion. It is voted on by the readers of Pro Wrestling Illustrated.
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Post by quantum on Oct 16, 2009 13:19:12 GMT -5
Which was the wrong choice and only one persons opinion and IMO also they were way off on a few other years as well. Winning match of the year doesn;t really mean much. As it is all down to one persons (or a few peoples) personal opinions and taste 9and we all have different) and nothing else really. It's when people present opinion as fact when the problems start to arise. 95 had quite a few other matches which were far better than Diesel VS Shawn at Mania during 95 (for example both Bret Hart VS Diesel matches at the Rumble and Survivor Series were far better, Hart VS Hackushi In Your House 1 was again a lot better, HBK VS Razor Summerslam 95 was the better Ladder match and better than Diesel VS HBK at Mania just to name a few) FYI, the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Awards are not one person's opinion. It is voted on by the readers of Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Still don't take away the fact it was the wrong choice and so were a few of the others and what does FYI mean?
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Post by Woooooolhouse! on Oct 16, 2009 14:30:22 GMT -5
Wrestlemania IX would have been awesome had Papa Shango and El Matador made the main card, and they would not have cut the Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Kamala match-up! (Or was it British Bulldog vs. Berzerker? That was WM8, right?) Yeah Bulldog VS Berzerker was Wrestlemania 8. It got cut off which would have been awesome as I always was a big Bulldog fan and think it was a shame he never had a decent singles match at Mania. His feud with Berzerker was below par but better than noting. I never heard anything about Bigelow and Kamala at Mania. I don;t think Kamala was still in WWF Mania 9 time . however battle of two big men Bigelow was a big man who could carry just about anybody. Which is awesome for someone his size.I would have liked to have seen that and think as Bigelow was with WWF at Mania 9 time and wasn;t used it was terrible mismanagement by WWF the fans loved to see Bigelow on the card and they could have found someone for him to face. How about Ramon instead of Backlund as Backlund was doing nothing at that time and was thrown on the card to face Ramon at as a random opponent. A heel vs heel Ramon vs Bigelow feud would have been good in 1993. I have never seen anything written about a possible Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Kamala match at WM9, but I remember on the original WWF VHS release, at the end of the tape, there was some footage of Bam Bam feeding a camel or something while an apology ran across the bottom of the screen, apologizing for the cutting of this match. I really, really wish I could find this somewhere to help prve to myself that I'm not insane...
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Post by destrucity on Oct 16, 2009 15:08:55 GMT -5
FYI means For Your Information
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Post by spaceship on Oct 16, 2009 15:55:03 GMT -5
It's a fun show. Not great wrestling, but fun.
I love the atmosphere.
Maybe my favorite looking Wrestlemania ever.
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Post by segaz on Oct 26, 2009 22:09:01 GMT -5
Other WM9 things not mentioned yet:
WM9 also has Razor-Backlund.
Why? I have no idea. the match could have been on Superstars for all I cared.
And seeing Perfect get attacked by HBK was great. And seeing Bret attacked by Luger. ("I think it's a setback" Bret you got knocked out with that steel forearm during a press conference, it's more than a setback).
Annnd that interview with those two guys in togas. And Heenan riding the camel backwards. And Sherri getting slapped by Luna Vachon. (How on earth did they end the Shawn/Sherri angle anyway? Thought it was at RR 93 but it appears not....) Doink defacing the statue Banksy Style, Lugers fireworks mirrors and beautiful valets, Macho almost punching Heenan, Hogan giving money away, Undertaker with the Vulture before Sting, (and did he have a gold casket? No? my mistake)
WM9 ......far from wrestlecrap.
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Post by segaz on Nov 7, 2009 18:56:06 GMT -5
Wow, I killed the 'feel good' of WM9. Mention of Razor/Backlund overdo it perhaps?
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Nov 7, 2009 19:30:13 GMT -5
That was actually a pretty good match. Only problem is that it was very short. It was also interesting to see the fans come down on the heel Razor's side, and was my first time seeing the fans not follow the face/heel format.
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Post by mauled on Nov 22, 2009 8:11:36 GMT -5
I think people's problem is not Hogan getting the belt but he pretty much didnt do anything until King of the Ring apart from the odd promo on a beach in Florida which (to me anyway) seemed really in contrast to Hart who had been wrestling pretty much every show as champion before hand. Savage did a great comment on this at King of the Ring.
Besides which the real problem was he reneged on doing a Hart/Hogan match up for Summerslam (WOuld have been worth watching in JMO). I mean when you even have HBK off all people in his book saying Hart got short changed by Hogan you know it must have been bad.
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Dec 9, 2009 15:36:06 GMT -5
Haven't seen it yet but just looking down the card it doesn't LOOK bad. Sure we all know that Giant Gonzalez was a brick and silly and the Hogan surprise swerve win which people liked at first (some anyway) has looked awful year after year but this is hardly the end all be all. Many would say the end all be all of a different kind. I'll see it one day and truly judge for myself.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 15, 2009 18:35:37 GMT -5
Put next to say WM6 or 3 it is wrestlecrap. If biggest show of the year, memories that will be played over and over for decades is the standard than as compared to every WM before or after WM9 is wrestlecrap
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Post by corndog on Jan 3, 2010 1:27:53 GMT -5
Wrestlemania XI was far worse... To me, WMIX is mostly crap because of the good matches with bad finishes (HBK V Tatanka) or bad matches, period... There is some good in the card as a whole, and Bobby Heenan made the event hilarious (His chemistry with Macho Man is great) although another knock and miss is that this is the first one that doesn't have Gorilla calling it... The commentary probably makes the event a great deal more entertaining for me... Oh, and Ted DiBiase's white/silver tuxedo combo is awesome. I actually was going say WM 11 was much worse, if not the worse WM ever. I completely agree with bad matches vs bad finishes, minus Gonzolez/Undertaker which was horrible. I think alot of people just hated it because of Hogan's title win at the end. But I bet that hatred has come more recently than at the time, learning about the politics of the situation and the fact that Hogan left after KOTR. I guess the fact that Yoko/Bret was actually a good match added insult to injury after Bret who even though not being able to lift Yoko found creative ways to approach the match by changing his moveset and put on an entertaining match with him.
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Post by sonicreducer on Jan 7, 2010 18:48:17 GMT -5
I once kept a log of how many times Randy Savage said key phrases such as 'doin' the thing', 'dig it', and verbally assaulted Bobby Heenan; the numbers were astounding. I'll try to find them and post them up myself, but it's a fun activity for the entire family to do together.
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Post by navajomartian on Apr 18, 2010 16:00:02 GMT -5
Ive written reviews for a bunch of the WWF/WWE/WCW ppv on the IMDB page. I concocted a pretty accurate, sometimes crappy scoring system on rating the matches then converting those star ratings into star points for the final score based on a 0.0 to 10.0 scale. Here are how I rated the Wrestlemanias from 1-20:
Current Standings:
Mania 17: 10.1 Mania 19: 9.9 Mania 20: 8.1 Mania 18: 7.6 Mania 10: 7.3 Mania 3: 7.1 Mania 6: 7.0 Mania 5: 7.0 Mania 4: 6.8 Mania 16: 6.5 Mania 7: 6.4 Mania 8: 5.9 Mania 13: 5.7 Mania 14: 4.9 Mania 2: 4.8 Mania 12: 4.6 Mania 15: 4.4 Mania 1: 4.1 Mania 11: 3.9 Mania 9: 3.8
Yeah, I think Mania 9 was the worst Mania ever (up until 20 atleast) but a 3.8 star rating is just lower mediocre stuff. Here's the list of shows that scored lower than Mania 9:
Unforgiven 98 No Mercy 99 IYH: It's Time IYH: DX IYH: Cold Day In Hell IYH: Great White North Judgement Day 2004 Armageddon 2004 (just finished writing the review last week, took me three days to sit through it) World War 3 98 (I bought this 2 months after Fall Brawl because im dumb) Uncensored 2000 (what a pitiful crowd) Great American Bash 99 Fall Brawl 98 (im one of 12 people who bough this piece of **** ppv) Bash At The Beach 99 (This show influence me greatly in turning away from WCW) Starrcade 97 King Of The Ring 99 King Of The Ring 95 Halloween Havoc 99 ( Russo's first wcw ppv at the helm could you tell?)
All the stuff above scored a 2.9 star rating or lower. That's a pretty good gap between Mania 9's 3.8.
Everything mentioned above either had the wrong guys going over/poor booking/wrestlers sleep walking through the show politics or just simply not having good storylines because they came in between big payoff shows and the companies would rather just fling em out there and hope to snare some suckers and move onto the next night.
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Post by Icecap on May 6, 2010 14:27:08 GMT -5
Which was the wrong choice and only one persons opinion and IMO also they were way off on a few other years as well. Just like your assertion that WM IX wasn't WrestleCrap is just your opinion. Bottom line is that it's RD's site, and it got an induction because he thought it sucked. And I have news for you, a lot of people (myself included) agree with him. I tell you all again Wrestlemania IX is far, far worse than Wrestlemania XI. WM XI was really boring and over loaded with celebrities of the mid-90's but it had some decient matches. Diesel-HBK is a good match, LT-Bam Bam is a good celebrity match. Yes a football player headlined the biggest ppv of the year in a major down period. I don't think that's enough to make it wrestlecrap. WM IX on the other hand? You've got the announcers in togas, you've got a who's who of wrestlecrap gimmicks, you've got heels going over in what should have been blow off matches, and you've got the Hogan win at the end. It's pure crap and should be treated as such. Very well said. The whole thing was like one big joke. There's a very fine line between "having fun" and "making a mockery of your own event." The WWF crossed that line with 'Mania IX.
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Post by Arturo Classico on May 6, 2010 16:39:10 GMT -5
Wrestlemania IX was much worse but I still hold down to my convictions that XI should be inducted. Due to the Jonathan Taylor Thomas Bob Backlund chess match, obessing about Pamela Anderson the massively annoying officiating by Piper during the suprisingly horrible Hart/Backlund, and the main event being Bam Bam jobbing to LT which would be okay if it wasn't the ME, just horrible the only thing that saves it was the decent Diesel/HBK match and the suprise of Owen and Yoko winning the tag titles made it better than IX which had one of the worst title changes known to man and had so many insignifigant crap that made it a bore to watch.
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