Why Mysterio went to SD and Other Random News

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

I'll wait until any of this actually happens before passing judgment. Remember when they were supposed to ban the name "Superstars"?

[Dynamite Kid]

I STILL LOVE YOU MIKE CHIODA!

[BoilerRoomBrawler]

Mmm... yes.
Shallow and pedantic.

[sunnytaker]

Apr 23, 2009 16:13:09 GMT -5 Snitsky said:

Here are the RAW quarter hour ratings from Monday night:

* 9:00 - 3.70 (Jericho/Steamboat/Cena Interview)
* 9:15 - 3.31 (Batista vs. Chavo/Shane Talks With Batista)
* 9:30 - 3.71 (Kane vs. CM Punk,Santino/Santina/Beth Phoenix Interview)
* 9:45 - 3.48 (Beth Phoenix vs. Melina, Shane Talks With HHH)
* 10:00 - 4.04 (John Cena vs. Chris Jericho)
* 10:15 - 4.03 (Edge Beat Down of Cena, Rey Mysterio vs. Big Show)
* 10:30 - 3.67 (Superstars Video Recap, Legacy Talks)
* 10:45 - 3.82 (HHH vs. Randy Orton)
* Overrun - 4.26 (HHH vs. Randy Orton Finish)

I just realised-Batista segment had the least viewers watching...wonder what they were doing?

photoshop threads

[Miss RKO]

Lol that'd explain it

[Citizen Snips Has Left]

I get the Match of the Year thing.

It's only been a few weeks since Undertaker/HBK which many, many people (including over half of this board) declared already to be the Match of the Year.

Then weeks later, a completely unhyped TV match on ECW of all shows is given that sort of mention? Granted, it was a very good match, but using Match of the Year to describe a match most people won't remember by July so soon after Taker/HBK does diminish the epic feel of the WM match some.

[SAJ Forth]

Apr 23, 2009 16:07:30 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Did I read that Orton is looking for a "another part man" to join Legacy? So that means they're looking for a tranny and that one of them already is for that matter?

Peter Weller's son to join Legacy?

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

Next thing you know we'll be reading:

"In all subsequent reissues of Wrestlemania III, Gorilla Monsoon's assessment of the main event as 'the irresistible force meeting the immovable object' will be replaced with Michael Cole describing the event as 'vintage Wrestlemania!'"

That said, it seems like every other month WWE is looking for more and more petty things to get up in arms about. Banning the referees names? Next thing you know, they won't be able to say the word "belt," or "wrestling." Oh wait.

I can't stand how homogenized the product is. Do they really have to do damage control on everything, regardless of whether or not it's damage in the first place?

For instance, the commentary. On 24/7 I watch Primetime wrestling, and it starts out in the studio with Bobby and Gorilla, and then cuts to taped matches with Bobby and Gorilla, Jesse and Gorilla, or one of their shoestring announce teams (like Lord Alfred Hayes and Johnny V or...ugh...Duke Doherty), and in each and every one of those instances the commentary seems more organic, fluid. Yes there are mistakes, but the banter is genuine, the repartee quick and fun. I love listening to the exchanges Bobby and Gorilla would have, or Gorilla and Jesse would have. Hell, Lord Alfred Hayes even had his moments. But you NEVER get genuine banter or exchanges today. Everybody sounds the same, and nobody is allowed to talk plainly or casually because Vince is screaming in their ear the entire time.

Sorry, went on a bit of a rant. But the new commentary aesthetic is really getting played out.

[AriadosMan]

First, I agree that banning ref names is a stupid move.
Second, what was Manu's gimmick before he was referred to as such on TV again? I'm pretty sure he was "Deuce" of Deuce and Domino, but I keep getting the guys in that team and their names mixed up.

[Mac]

Looks like theres not a huge amount of interest in Batista squashes or woman's matches. no surprise there.

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Apr 23, 2009 17:56:01 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

First, I agree that banning ref names is a stupid move.
Second, what was Manu's gimmick before he was referred to as such on TV again? I'm pretty sure he was "Deuce" of Deuce and Domino, but I keep getting the guys in that team and their names mixed up.

You're thinkin' Sim Snuka. Manu made his debut, joined Legacy, lost alot, got kicked out of Legacy, got fired.

[Mac]

Manu should paint himself green and have orange hair and rock a Blanka gimmick.

[AriadosMan]

Apr 23, 2009 18:09:57 GMT -5 The Summer of Muskrat XVII said:

Apr 23, 2009 17:56:01 GMT -5 AriadosMan said:

First, I agree that banning ref names is a stupid move.
Second, what was Manu's gimmick before he was referred to as such on TV again? I'm pretty sure he was "Deuce" of Deuce and Domino, but I keep getting the guys in that team and their names mixed up.

You're thinkin' Sim Snuka. Manu made his debut, joined Legacy, lost alot, got kicked out of Legacy, got fired.

I must have got them confused because it seemed like the writing hinted that the two would form a tag team after Manu got kicked out.

[blef]

The ref thing is foolish, but I can understand it.

A lot of the ones with names (Hebner, White, Korderas) are gone now, others like Doan, Robinson and Chioda are known enough by the fans who still care about knowing refs' names, and they've never really identified a lot of the newer refs of late anyway.

.......by the way, the referee section at WWE.com is still up and operational as of this posting.

[OriasPool]

Apr 23, 2009 16:00:42 GMT -5 Miss RKO said:

Banning the ref thing seems a little silly to me.

yeah, they're not people according to the WWE. I mean simply not mentioning them is one thing, but outright BANNING the use of their names, what the hell WWE???

[Dean-o]

Apr 23, 2009 17:54:04 GMT -5 Threadkiller [Classic] said:

Next thing you know we'll be reading:

"In all subsequent reissues of Wrestlemania III, Gorilla Monsoon's assessment of the main event as 'the irresistible force meeting the immovable object' will be replaced with Michael Cole describing the event as 'vintage Wrestlemania!'"

That said, it seems like every other month WWE is looking for more and more petty things to get up in arms about. Banning the referees names? Next thing you know, they won't be able to say the word "belt," or "wrestling." Oh wait.

I can't stand how homogenized the product is. Do they really have to do damage control on everything, regardless of whether or not it's damage in the first place?

For instance, the commentary. On 24/7 I watch Primetime wrestling, and it starts out in the studio with Bobby and Gorilla, and then cuts to taped matches with Bobby and Gorilla, Jesse and Gorilla, or one of their shoestring announce teams (like Lord Alfred Hayes and Johnny V or...ugh...Duke Doherty), and in each and every one of those instances the commentary seems more organic, fluid. Yes there are mistakes, but the banter is genuine, the repartee quick and fun. I love listening to the exchanges Bobby and Gorilla would have, or Gorilla and Jesse would have. Hell, Lord Alfred Hayes even had his moments. But you NEVER get genuine banter or exchanges today. Everybody sounds the same, and nobody is allowed to talk plainly or casually because Vince is screaming in their ear the entire time.

Sorry, went on a bit of a rant. But the new commentary aesthetic is really getting played out.

Amen, brother. I can listen to commentary from the 80's and 90's for hours and be entertained. Now I can barely pay attention. It's got to go.

[arrogantmodel]

I remember Mysterio being pissed when he got drafted to RAW, saying that SmackDown targeted the latino market more. I remembered that and thought he must be happy when he was sent back to the blue show.

[Bobby Womack]

Apr 23, 2009 17:05:54 GMT -5 @supersweetbotch said:

Like what everyone else said. Banning the ref names is extremely disrespectful. Apparently I read something Refs hurt them selves just as much as the wrestlers with all the crouching, bending down, falling down on there stomach first, making counts, and getting up. Plus whats the point of banning there names?

I also would like to add why would you also ban MOTY and instant classic phrases? The commentators are suppose to put over guys, matches, events huge and make the viewers at home they witness something special and get them excited over it.

star ratings for matches and MOTY are direct WON references

Apr 23, 2009 17:54:04 GMT -5 Threadkiller [Classic] said:

Next thing you know we'll be reading:

"In all subsequent reissues of Wrestlemania III, Gorilla Monsoon's assessment of the main event as 'the irresistible force meeting the immovable object' will be replaced with Michael Cole describing the event as 'vintage Wrestlemania!'"

That said, it seems like every other month WWE is looking for more and more petty things to get up in arms about. Banning the referees names? Next thing you know, they won't be able to say the word "belt," or "wrestling." Oh wait.

I can't stand how homogenized the product is. Do they really have to do damage control on everything, regardless of whether or not it's damage in the first place?

For instance, the commentary. On 24/7 I watch Primetime wrestling, and it starts out in the studio with Bobby and Gorilla, and then cuts to taped matches with Bobby and Gorilla, Jesse and Gorilla, or one of their shoestring announce teams (like Lord Alfred Hayes and Johnny V or...ugh...Duke Doherty), and in each and every one of those instances the commentary seems more organic, fluid. Yes there are mistakes, but the banter is genuine, the repartee quick and fun. I love listening to the exchanges Bobby and Gorilla would have, or Gorilla and Jesse would have. Hell, Lord Alfred Hayes even had his moments. But you NEVER get genuine banter or exchanges today. Everybody sounds the same, and nobody is allowed to talk plainly or casually because Vince is screaming in their ear the entire time.

Sorry, went on a bit of a rant. But the new commentary aesthetic is really getting played out.

what makes you think that vince, the obsessive micromanager that we all know him to be, wasnt just as much of a micromanager back then? and what makes you so sure that he does so much yelling now, other than a couple of dirt sheet reports? in a recent interview lawler said that he never gets yelled at by mcmahon and that once in a while cole gets told off for messing something up, if even cole only gets yelled at on occasion i really doubt its that bad, who would need more telling off than him? the whole yelling thing has been so overhyped by mick foleys diva attitude he somehow developed between his 2nd and 3rd book and now thinks hes above criticism or instruction, id tell him to get back on plan too if all he did was talk about what porn stars hes friends with and make jokes at the expense of the product

[Bub (BLM)]

So the refs get no name recognition for their hard work, and announcers aren't allowed to put over midcarders when they have great matches. Jesus christ, I'm really starting to hate WWE. Ever since this PG thing started, they've been trying to change everything in an effort to seemingly be different just for the hell of it.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Apr 23, 2009 22:29:04 GMT -5 Bobby Womack said:

Apr 23, 2009 17:05:54 GMT -5 @supersweetbotch said:

Like what everyone else said. Banning the ref names is extremely disrespectful. Apparently I read something Refs hurt them selves just as much as the wrestlers with all the crouching, bending down, falling down on there stomach first, making counts, and getting up. Plus whats the point of banning there names?

I also would like to add why would you also ban MOTY and instant classic phrases? The commentators are suppose to put over guys, matches, events huge and make the viewers at home they witness something special and get them excited over it.

star ratings for matches and MOTY are direct WON references

Apr 23, 2009 17:54:04 GMT -5 Threadkiller [Classic] said:

Next thing you know we'll be reading:

"In all subsequent reissues of Wrestlemania III, Gorilla Monsoon's assessment of the main event as 'the irresistible force meeting the immovable object' will be replaced with Michael Cole describing the event as 'vintage Wrestlemania!'"

That said, it seems like every other month WWE is looking for more and more petty things to get up in arms about. Banning the referees names? Next thing you know, they won't be able to say the word "belt," or "wrestling." Oh wait.

I can't stand how homogenized the product is. Do they really have to do damage control on everything, regardless of whether or not it's damage in the first place?

For instance, the commentary. On 24/7 I watch Primetime wrestling, and it starts out in the studio with Bobby and Gorilla, and then cuts to taped matches with Bobby and Gorilla, Jesse and Gorilla, or one of their shoestring announce teams (like Lord Alfred Hayes and Johnny V or...ugh...Duke Doherty), and in each and every one of those instances the commentary seems more organic, fluid. Yes there are mistakes, but the banter is genuine, the repartee quick and fun. I love listening to the exchanges Bobby and Gorilla would have, or Gorilla and Jesse would have. Hell, Lord Alfred Hayes even had his moments. But you NEVER get genuine banter or exchanges today. Everybody sounds the same, and nobody is allowed to talk plainly or casually because Vince is screaming in their ear the entire time.

Sorry, went on a bit of a rant. But the new commentary aesthetic is really getting played out.

what makes you think that vince, the obsessive micromanager that we all know him to be, wasnt just as much of a micromanager back then? and what makes you so sure that he does so much yelling now, other than a couple of dirt sheet reports? in a recent interview lawler said that he never gets yelled at by mcmahon and that once in a while cole gets told off for messing something up, if even cole only gets yelled at on occasion i really doubt its that bad, who would need more telling off than him? the whole yelling thing has been so overhyped by mick foleys diva attitude he somehow developed between his 2nd and 3rd book and now thinks hes above criticism or instruction, id tell him to get back on plan too if all he did was talk about what porn stars hes friends with and make jokes at the expense of the product

The difference, if there is one, is that Goriila was Vince's equal from back in the day. He wouldn't take Vince's shit. Others like Heenan and Ventura were guys that Vince had to fight for to keep, so he couldn't just bully them around. Now their is little competition, and the guys Vince has he most likely doesn't consider them his equal or worry about them going some other place to work. Moreover, there is much more live television today, so things can't be fixed in post production.