Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 23, 2008 3:40:53 GMT -5
Wow that was long-winded. But like others have said, Bret never personally agreed to do this interview and he had no confirmation from Marcy. The "not my problem" comment might seem cold, but if you didn't have clearance from your management, would you sit down in front of a professional film crew for an interview? I have no idea if Bret is a jerk in his day to day life, but it's hard to judge him too harshly for this. If what is written above is true, it reflects much more poorly on Bret's management. But even so the guy should've waited until he had final confirmation before traveling 131 miles (which isn't THAT far incidentally....Less than a 3 hour trip by car). All true, but fun fact, the USA is only 262 miles across. See?
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Post by Bobby Womack on Dec 23, 2008 5:18:51 GMT -5
what a jerk, and as expected the hart fans are out in full force jumping the director like a ratpack even though the poor guy makes totally valid points, and any 'fan' who is willing to come out of pocket to pay for all a wrestlers expenses for no other gain than getting to be his personal groupie for the trip, leaves themself open to any personal insults they get imo, i wouldnt call him a 'mark' but 'ringrat' wouldnt be a stretch
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Post by Stu on Dec 23, 2008 5:48:00 GMT -5
I have no idea who to believe. All I know is that I hear more bad than good about Hart these days, and it's getting to the point I'm really seeing him more for his bitterness rather than who he was more than a decade ago.
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Post by markdown474 on Dec 23, 2008 6:43:52 GMT -5
I'd also have to point out that for as long as it is, this guy's email doesn't even tell the whole story. What was exactly in the "redundant email, void of any answers, clearly dodging issues" that Marcy sent this guy after all this? Perhaps that's true, but he's not even letting us know what was in that email, just leaving it up to us to trust it was redundant and didn't answer anything.
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chairshotshurthead
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 23, 2008 7:36:30 GMT -5
Irrespective of personal taste, Amy Winehoue is generally considered an incredible musician. Stopped reading there.
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Post by sabu on Dec 23, 2008 16:32:44 GMT -5
Bret is a bitter, self-centered ass hole. He takes himself and the wrestling business too seriously. It's a work, Bret!
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Post by markdown474 on Dec 24, 2008 9:12:40 GMT -5
Bret is a bitter, self-centered ass hole. He takes himself and the wrestling business too seriously. It's a work, Bret! People are constantly dismissing Bret Hart as bitter when the truth is none of us are around him in his day to day life. All we see of him is very small bits and pieces of when he makes appearances. More often than not when he's talking about the screwjob or anything else wrestling related it is in response to questions people ask of him. He may seem bitter when the 2 minute blurbs we see of him here and there are speaking of something that was very dark to him, but I'm guessing for the most part wrestling is well behind him and he's living his life quite happily and without bitterness. And if you havent' done so, read his book before dismissing him as bitter. It's a mixture of highs and lows he experienced in the wrestling business, but I don't think it comes off as bitter at all.
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Post by mauled on Dec 24, 2008 10:32:41 GMT -5
Bret is a bitter, self-centered ass hole. He takes himself and the wrestling business too seriously. It's a work, Bret! People are constantly dismissing Bret Hart as bitter when the truth is none of us are around him in his day to day life. All we see of him is very small bits and pieces of when he makes appearances. More often than not when he's talking about the screwjob or anything else wrestling related it is in response to questions people ask of him. He may seem bitter when the 2 minute blurbs we see of him here and there are speaking of something that was very dark to him, but I'm guessing for the most part wrestling is well behind him and he's living his life quite happily and without bitterness. And if you havent' done so, read his book before dismissing him as bitter. It's a mixture of highs and lows he experienced in the wrestling business, but I don't think it comes off as bitter at all. From all accounts he lives in retirement in Hawai and from all accounts is financially very well off and secure so does not have to go the Flair route and do bookings simply cause he is broke. Besides the WE have asked him back lots of times and he has said no and I am sure TNA would love for him to do apparences if it was simply bitterness to Vince/HBK and Trips. The point being is that its probably hard to be bitter when your just chilling on a beach in the pacific. From all accounts he still keeps in touch with JR and Austin. JR has long said he loves Brets book ditto with Foley why should they be wrong???
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Post by probable on Dec 31, 2008 12:39:43 GMT -5
To add my thoughts:
- The film maker doesn't call the statement a "shoot" anywhere. That's what other people have called it.
- Those who are hating Bret because of this story (and yes look around, there are plenty of claims of people boycotting future signings etc) need to realise that Bret should only shoulder a small part of the blame here. The majority should go to the manager as it was clearly her mistakes that led to this.
- But as someone else put better than me in another forum, now that Bret Hart knows all of the facts (assuming he didn't on the day - although he did read the Emails confirming an interview would be set up) why has he not done anything about it now? Management issue an apology etc? I think this is the real "dirty meat" of the situation.
- Those hating the film maker need to realise he gave Hart plenty of props throughout the statement. And said multiple times he isn't trying to sway anybodies opinion (I don't think this implies he could change the world by his words, merely that people ARE influenced by what they read. Its the basic premise of comunication).
- RE the confirmation of the interview. If he was told the interview would be set up, then they (Producer / Manager) start talking about minute details i.e. sending a copy of filmed footage to Canada so Bret can see it upon return, giving addresses to send to etc, I can't really see how somebody can get hung up on this.
These are my thoughts, anyway.
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Post by h on Jan 2, 2009 13:01:26 GMT -5
He lost any chance of sympathy from me during the whole backstory thing. He wanted to interview Bret in Italy during Christmas 2006. Bret wasn't going to be on the continent at the time. He calls this frustrating and unprofessional. How so? Was Bret supposed to cancel his vacation plans? Does he think he can just show up anywhere at anytime and expect things to turn out perfectly? I could go down to my local arena on the day of WrestleMania, but it's a safe bet that I wouldn't find a major wrestling event. That's not poor management; that's just assuming something will be there after being told it won't.
Following that up with telling us how everyone was a mark, how he got the impression that various people were marks, how so-and-so was a mark, etc. made him look like an idiot.
Then he gives a bunch of he-said, she-said, giving his personal spin on everything. What was in the e-mails? Oh, right. That's not for us to know. That's for us to trust some bitter person to be objective about.
Then he move on to discussing how much he disrespects Bret because of unrelated stuff, yet expects us to believe that he came into this whole video thing completely objectively.
And finally, Bret Hart is the supreme evil. Somehow, he comes up with bizarre contrasts between Bret Hart and truck drivers and so forth. I'm sure there are worse people on earth than someone who doesn't do an unscheduled interview.
Clearly, there is no bigger David Sinnott mark than David Sinnott.
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Post by The Harbinger of Tragedy on Jan 2, 2009 15:11:50 GMT -5
- RE the confirmation of the interview. If he was told the interview would be set up, then they (Producer / Manager) start talking about minute details i.e. sending a copy of filmed footage to Canada so Bret can see it upon return, giving addresses to send to etc, I can't really see how somebody can get hung up on this. Well, I can give you a legal analysis under the Canadian system. Would be hard to argue that there was an agreement as they were clearly working out the terms of the interview, which would require a later confirmation of agreement. I imagine the primary reason the director isn't taking it to court on that basis is that any half-decent lawyer will state there is a critical element to an agreement missing in that fact pattern. Detrimental reliance? Perhaps that could work, not against Hart personally but against the manager. However, the reasonable person would be astute enough to get a solid yes or no confirmation after a discussion of the terms. Now, I do recognize his argument that in the business you go by a person's word, but it was his fault for not asking one more time for the record after the discussion of the terms and thus he bears the brunt of the risk of his attempt to film him. To hold otherwise would turn the common law on its head in that any agreement or appearance of such before the discussion of the terms would then later be used as a blanket acceptance of any scenario thereafter. It would be like saying "I will buy this car from you" is strong enough to force the would-be purchaser to accept the car at whatever price the seller states, lest he be sued for breaching his agreement. Just doesn't make sense.
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Post by thelastcall on Jan 2, 2009 15:40:03 GMT -5
How exactly is Bret in the wrong here?
Tough break dude, learn to be able to get your feelings hurt
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Post by azrael502 on Jan 2, 2009 23:08:04 GMT -5
Bret is a bitter, self-centered ass hole. He takes himself and the wrestling business too seriously. It's a work, Bret! Damn Right ;D
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Post by probable on Jan 5, 2009 11:53:32 GMT -5
He lost any chance of sympathy from me during the whole backstory thing. He wanted to interview Bret in Italy during Christmas 2006. Bret wasn't going to be on the continent at the time. He calls this frustrating and unprofessional. How so? Was Bret supposed to cancel his vacation plans? Does he think he can just show up anywhere at anytime and expect things to turn out perfectly? I could go down to my local arena on the day of WrestleMania, but it's a safe bet that I wouldn't find a major wrestling event. That's not poor management; that's just assuming something will be there after being told it won't. Huh? The statement only says Bret agreed to an interview back then but couldn't because of scheduling issues. Nowhere is any blame given? Methinks you have wrong end of stick. Nice rant though
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hollywood
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Post by hollywood on Jan 5, 2009 12:01:10 GMT -5
As someone who's worked on the director's side of the interview sessions, I supposed I'm a little biased. Honestly, it's not like it would've put Bret out all that much to just say "Okay, hold on and I'll give Marcy a call when we're done here."
Chrissake, the guy showed up with a crapload of camera equipment. It stands to reason he probably at least TRIED to set something up. Sure, he probably should've had things more firmed up than he did, but it's not like it would've put Bret out too terribly bad to contact Marcy and, if Marcy came back without a clue, just say, "Okay, sorry, things aren't working out right now. But I'm here in person. So let's talk about setting up something definite in the future."
It's not that damn hard.
I'm not going to jump on either the "Bret deserves more respect!" or the "Bret's a bitter @$$hole" bandwagons, but, like the guy said, this particular day it sounds like Bret was a dick.
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Post by probable on Jan 5, 2009 12:04:10 GMT -5
And to add to what Hollywood said, which is implied in my above post, Bret KNEW who these people were as he agreed to the interview twice before...
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 6, 2009 9:47:53 GMT -5
What I got from it: Hart's managers suck. You can't set up the details of an interview if your client doesn't even know he's supposed to be having one.
In his desire to express it, the director comes across as a petulant child.
That day, Bret Hart came off as less then cordial. *shrugs* Oh well, I wouldn't do the interview either if no one had told me. That's the manager's fault. I interviewed Mark Harmon (star of Navy NCIS) before, he came across as aloof too, but that's just the nature of interviews. Not everyone is jumping at the chance for them.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Jan 6, 2009 13:34:27 GMT -5
While the filmmaker does come across badly from the post, I have to admit that I myself have on occasion attempted to interview the Hitman, and found him to be unfriendly, uncooperative and downright hostile. And setting the dogs on me when I refused to get out of his kitchen was just uncalled for
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jan 6, 2009 23:18:42 GMT -5
While the filmmaker does come across badly from the post, I have to admit that I myself have on occasion attempted to interview the Hitman, and found him to be unfriendly, uncooperative and downright hostile. And setting the dogs on me when I refused to get out of his kitchen was just uncalled for And the man is a ninja with the sheer amount of pepper spray cans he can seemingly materialize.
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