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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Nov 24, 2009 13:05:10 GMT -5
Time to apply some preasure.
5 names were thrown around alot day 1.
Jagiliki Gunslinger Sweet n Sour TFMCMG and D-2
Of those all but 1 of them(jag) has been marked as being town.
When looking thru the rest of the thread, most people had mentioned at least one or two of these. But one name popped up hitting 3 of those 4 known town.
And that person... Jazzman with 2 votes(one for D2 and one for TFMCMG) and one FOS(sweet n sour)
So Vote: Jazzman
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 24, 2009 14:35:40 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to do, Sweet... but voting this early into the day is kinda odd.
I need to reread everything before I can start to theorize again. It looks to have been a busy night.
Having said that, our vote is our strongest weapon, so I really hope more people are voting this day. And I'm not saying to bandwagon on someone -- I'm saying that way our voices are heard and different perspectives are seen.
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Post by jagilki on Nov 24, 2009 14:38:23 GMT -5
I didn't vote on day one.
Honestly I thought before deadline that I was a goner, and was just accepting that. Once I saw that I wasn't I saw no point in posting during the night phase. It's something I don't like to do, even when it's allowed.
I still stand by my day one play.
The whole heat on me came because I said I've played a few games and modded a few games, then said I feel I have a passing understanding of the game. It was put forward that I said that as a scum way of trying to downplay my mafia play ability.
I put forward i said that as a way of being humble. That's not quite 100 percent accurate though. A better way of putting it would be self depreciating(?) maybe. More like when the superbowl champ quarterback says he has a fair understanding of football.
Getting off of that track, I also stand by my acceptance of being lynched on day one. Like I've already said, I've been in this position enough times to know how it USUALLY plays out.
I'll say it again flat out. I'm town. BUT I'm not an important role. I have no powers. IF.
IF you are dead set on lynching a townsperson because they are "scummy" then I'd rather you guys get it over with. The faster it happens the faster a distraction is over and done with.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Nov 24, 2009 14:39:49 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to do, Sweet... but voting this early into the day is kinda odd. I need to reread everything before I can start to theorize again. It looks to have been a busy night. Having said that, our vote is our strongest weapon, so I really hope more people are voting this day. And I'm not saying to bandwagon on someone -- I'm saying that way our voices are heard and different perspectives are seen. I did so cause I basically am only guaranteed the next 24 hours to be able to contribute until monday(the day of the lynch). Obviously, if I find an internet connection, I'll hop on and re-evaluate. But I wanted to be able to contribute something, give my reasons why, and give Jazzman some time to respond before I leave.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Nov 24, 2009 14:44:26 GMT -5
Just a heads up guys, I'll also be questionable during Thanksgiving. Unless I get WiFi or use my brother's iPhone, I won't be here until monday.
However, I'm curious as to what Oblivion said. "Your thoughts so far are very good" and "Keep up with your thoughts of who killed me".
Maybe we've uncovered a mafia role without realizing it. Worth checking into to see who voted Oblivion at the very least.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Nov 24, 2009 14:46:36 GMT -5
EBWOP: Turns out no one voted Oblivion. However, she did vote Gunslinger, who would be a top suspect had Bundy not covered for him.
I feel like the answer's just staring me in the face while I can't see it.
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Nov 24, 2009 14:51:03 GMT -5
I didn't vote on day one. Honestly I thought before deadline that I was a goner, and was just accepting that. Once I saw that I wasn't I saw no point in posting during the night phase. It's something I don't like to do, even when it's allowed. I still stand by my day one play. The whole heat on me came because I said I've played a few games and modded a few games, then said I feel I have a passing understanding of the game. It was put forward that I said that as a scum way of trying to downplay my mafia play ability. I put forward i said that as a way of being humble. That's not quite 100 percent accurate though. A better way of putting it would be self depreciating(?) maybe. More like when the superbowl champ quarterback says he has a fair understanding of football. Getting off of that track, I also stand by my acceptance of being lynched on day one. Like I've already said, I've been in this position enough times to know how it USUALLY plays out. I'll say it again flat out. I'm town. BUT I'm not an important role. I have no powers. IF. IF you are dead set on lynching a townsperson because they are "scummy" then I'd rather you guys get it over with. The faster it happens the faster a distraction is over and done with. You almost make it sound like you want to be lynched. the heat on you cooled way off later on in day 1. Nothing is certain, day 2 is something of a new beginning I feel. We didn't hit a single scum, but I think everyone has a somewhat better feel of the playing field. The case against you was pretty weak, how 'bout you try and convince us you're town, then we won't have a distraction, and we get to keep a town member. I'd rather have that than lynch you just because you seem set on being a martyr.
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Post by Jazzman on Nov 24, 2009 15:19:54 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to do, Sweet... but voting this early into the day is kinda odd. I need to reread everything before I can start to theorize again. It looks to have been a busy night. Having said that, our vote is our strongest weapon, so I really hope more people are voting this day. And I'm not saying to bandwagon on someone -- I'm saying that way our voices are heard and different perspectives are seen. I did so cause I basically am only guaranteed the next 24 hours to be able to contribute until monday(the day of the lynch). Obviously, if I find an internet connection, I'll hop on and re-evaluate. But I wanted to be able to contribute something, give my reasons why, and give Jazzman some time to respond before I leave. Well, you wanted some feedback from me Sweet and here you go. I can give nothing to this town but my vote. I'm very distraught that we picked off an important role in the killing of D-2 and am looking forward to bringing the mafia to justice. I also see where you are going with this theory and he's my counter argument with that. Aren't you at least glad you know where I stand? True, while my radar on picking mafia isn't great, at least you know that I'm going to contribute and at least can be placed. I worry about the folks who didn't vote. They are the true ones who should be watched. Some may have good reasons, but I hate not knowing where people stand in this game. In closing, all I can give you is my word that I am backing the town to win this one 100% All I can do is deliver votes, but at least you know I'll be there to fight along side of you, which is more than I can say for the folks who didn't vote at all. And with that, I wish those of you stateside a happy holiday. I'll try to check in from time to time of my break, but no guarantees. And now, I must retire to my family.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 24, 2009 15:54:56 GMT -5
I'm speechless about what's going on here. I went into nightfall thinking that I had a good lead on someone who might be scum, but looking around now, there is a series of possibilities working against the town. I don't want to be the one to harp on this, but the number one thing that's frustrating me is the play of the town members . . . and/or possible town members. Poor play gives a lot of mafia and 3rd parties easy cover. The lynchee and the mafia target could not have played any worse on Day One in my opinion. The reason I say that is because I would have rather seen Sweet N Sour or jagilki or Gunslinger to go down than EITHER of those two. (Of course, that's what I get for not being able to get online right before the vote deadline, so add me to the list of those poor town players for this reason alone; so yes, I'm VERY frustrated with myself as well, just so no one thinks I'm just pointing the finger.)
Now, the reason I mentioned those three over the two that DID go down is because it would have given actual town members MUCH more to work with. I withdrew my vote on Sweet because of all the reasons AGAINST his likelihood of being mafia, but flipping town OR 3rd party (I STILL think 3rd party might be a possibility) would have at least allowed us one of two options: to uncover a 3rd party, but to also give us some voters--5 to be exact including myself--to look at analyze if he flipped town. I was thinking that by unvoting, jagilki would be the next-in-line lynched person, which would have at least told us something similar as the scenario with Sweet. Gunslinger, I don't think is mafia either, as I tend to believe Al Bundy's claim for now. But with his flipping back and forth and the complaints and cases made against him in the process, it would've at least given us more names to analyze during Day Two. So again, to clarify, I'm sharing my frustration with the targets during this Day One end/nightfall debacle. It seems the best possible scenario for all third parties and mafia. And, of course, it's partially the product of just all-around poor playing from a some town members on Day One. And I'll state flat out we can't afford to lynch an "experiment" martyr type on Day Two; we had our chance on Day One to get information from a lynch and we bombed it. (Of course, Delirious-2 did a great job in helping us bomb it, but he's back and I'm just hoping for the best in terms of his contributions as replacement player.)
It bugs me why such a switchover to Delirious-2 was done so quickly when we actually had more discussion and cases built against the three that I mentioned.
And now we have jagilki who is FINALLY back and is the obvious Eeyore of all the players so far, which once again isn't helping. Of course, to complicate matters, one of the names I mentioned earlier (Gunslinger) is the first one to point this out, so now I'm pulling my hair out even more because I'm agreeing wholeheartedly about how jagilki seems like he could care less.
Add to that the fact that Simply Tea and Scruffy are missing in action. This game is proving more difficult than the last one I was in; by Day Two I had two of the mafia pegged and it proved correct in the end (even though I was third party in that game). Now, I'm town and I feel like I'm going to lose here too at this point with people scattered in all kinds of directions. (By the way, mafia, you're doing a good job thus far, so at least I know some game players are having fun at my expense.)
In the first line, I alluded to thinking I had a lead on a possible scum player. Of course, I also hadn't counted on two other relatively non-contributing players going down along with Delirious-2. I figured the mafia would at least target a threat and then give me some fuel to sort all of this out. I promise I'll throw out the name I was toying with prior to this past nightfall, but right now I want to keep observing before I pop my quoted analysis on everyone, because I'm not sure about anything anymore. Plus, this person is active and I'm trying to see where this goes during the first few hours following the lynch. I made two major play mistakes in Day One, and I'm having to get over that to see what my next line of thinking is going to be anyway.
(Not trying to flame anyone personally, by the way, with my "call-outs". I'm just sharing in a somewhat stream-of-consciousness mindset. I really do enjoy playing this game, and even though I feel pretty helpless as a player right now, I'm not trying to imply I think ill of anyone personally.)
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Nov 24, 2009 15:57:02 GMT -5
I didn't vote on day one. Honestly I thought before deadline that I was a goner, and was just accepting that. Once I saw that I wasn't I saw no point in posting during the night phase. It's something I don't like to do, even when it's allowed. I still stand by my day one play. The whole heat on me came because I said I've played a few games and modded a few games, then said I feel I have a passing understanding of the game. It was put forward that I said that as a scum way of trying to downplay my mafia play ability. I put forward i said that as a way of being humble. That's not quite 100 percent accurate though. A better way of putting it would be self depreciating(?) maybe. More like when the superbowl champ quarterback says he has a fair understanding of football. Getting off of that track, I also stand by my acceptance of being lynched on day one. Like I've already said, I've been in this position enough times to know how it USUALLY plays out. I'll say it again flat out. I'm town. BUT I'm not an important role. I have no powers. IF. IF you are dead set on lynching a townsperson because they are "scummy" then I'd rather you guys get it over with. The faster it happens the faster a distraction is over and done with. You almost make it sound like you want to be lynched. the heat on you cooled way off later on in day 1. Nothing is certain, day 2 is something of a new beginning I feel. We didn't hit a single scum, but I think everyone has a somewhat better feel of the playing field. The case against you was pretty weak, how 'bout you try and convince us you're town, then we won't have a distraction, and we get to keep a town member. I'd rather have that than lynch you just because you seem set on being a martyr. I have a bad feeling about Jag. He is helping town in a way, but the way he is wanting to be lynched hits me as someone that is putting themselves out there TOO much, as if he is trying to use reverse psychology on us. Maybe you're a Serial Killer, Jag? And trying to put yourself out there as a worthless town so we don't touch you the rest of the game? Just a thought.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 24, 2009 17:06:19 GMT -5
I don't get Jag at all either. He is TRYING to focus the discussion on his being suspect. Everything is so wide open at this point he isn't even in any real danger of the lynch he is implying is imminent. Jazzman has an actual vote against him and he is still playing cool.
And I could not agree with Pegasus more. I knew the mafia had to many easy targets with all the people silent and barely participating during day one.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 24, 2009 17:25:42 GMT -5
Just a heads up guys, I'll also be questionable during Thanksgiving. Unless I get WiFi or use my brother's iPhone, I won't be here until monday. However, I'm curious as to what Oblivion said. "Your thoughts so far are very good" and "Keep up with your thoughts of who killed me". Maybe we've uncovered a mafia role without realizing it. Worth checking into to see who voted Oblivion at the very least. Yeah, I'm somewhat confused as to what she was getting at, too. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Roleblockers don't learn about their targets, do they? 'Cause if not, I don't see how she'd know enough to figure out who is Mafia. Besides which, we haven't even begun to speculate on who killed her yet. Confusing...
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 24, 2009 17:29:17 GMT -5
EBWOP
Also, just a thought, but we should be able to trust Gunslinger and Bundy completely thanks to the write-up. We know Katniss and Peeta are actual characters in this game, and the only way somebody could know those names is if they actually were those characters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 18:39:35 GMT -5
EBWOP Also, just a thought, but we should be able to trust Gunslinger and Bundy completely thanks to the write-up. We know Katniss and Peeta are actual characters in this game, and the only way somebody could know those names is if they actually were those characters. something i picked up on as well and i completely agree. thats one thing we have going for us is that at least we know two people for sure. also if you look back on my posts i never suspected Jagilki on day one... but looking at it now its weird that he would keep bringing up something that happened at the beginning of day one even more so when you consider that he seems almost too eager to be lynched. i never really suspected him but that just seems like a really weird way to play. everyone else is defending themselves when challenged while he's accepting it. if nothing else by not voting and by slinking into the background and basically being a lurker he says he has the towns best interests at heart but his play says differently
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Post by jagilki on Nov 24, 2009 19:32:23 GMT -5
It's NOT that I couldn't care less.
It's NOT that I WANT to be lynched.
It's that I DON'T want the question of am I mafia or am I town to take up the entire game. The Mafia loves snork like this. It's exactly what the mafia want. The Mafia want a town member who comes off guilty because he draws all the heat from them.
THAT'S why I'm saying IF you guys are going to vote me, go ahead and do so. I DON'T want voted off.
However, I DO want the town to win and IF me being voted off allows the town to concentrate on other names besides my own, then that is what is best for the town.
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Post by crudulak on Nov 24, 2009 20:10:09 GMT -5
Do you want to help us find scum? What other names should we be concentrating on besides yours?
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Post by jagilki on Nov 24, 2009 20:35:27 GMT -5
Do you want to help us find scum? What other names should we be concentrating on besides yours? If I knew that, I'd be voting at the moment. I would look at those who voted me early... HOWEVER. That doesn't feel right. In the normal games i play, like I said before, most players are ones I've played with for a few years. In these (wrestlecrap) games, it's new players (to me, and the game) and I've found that throws me off a little bit. I've noticed that a few of you read messages in between lines where there are no messages. So, I can't really suspect those who started the vote for me, because I CAN see their point. Next, I'd look at some of my protectors.... Where the mafia protecting me because they knew when I'm dead and revealed town, then can use that to "confirm" them? Once more, that doesn't feel right this go around. I'm taking longer to form reads on you guys.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Nov 24, 2009 21:14:49 GMT -5
GM Message: D2 has informed me he will be absent during the Holidays. Tea and Crumpets still hasn't logged on, due to computer problems.
Many others have also made note to me, in thread, and out, that they will me busy during the holidays. Due to the Holidays, I am going extend the deadline to Tuesday, December 8th, 11:00, HST. Happy Thanksgiving All!
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Post by psychotix5000 on Nov 24, 2009 22:50:10 GMT -5
Jag's unwillingness to really contribute to discussion and his constant excuses as to why he doesn't contribute strike me as very poor play. Couple this with him only popping in when his name is mentioned and you've got (again) my number one suspect.
VOTE: jagilki
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Post by psychotix5000 on Nov 24, 2009 22:59:15 GMT -5
Ebwop i'm also going to be unavailable the next few days. Working in the produce dept at a grocery store during the holidays is very draining and physically demanding.
To all u yanks out there Happy Turkey Day!
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