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Post by Snitsky on Jul 2, 2009 10:40:23 GMT -5
I can see big things in the future for Swagger,a whole bunch of things i have heard leads me to believe WWE have faith in him- not sure about Bourne since he seems to be lost in the shuffle- but i hope so
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Post by MGH on Jul 2, 2009 10:43:25 GMT -5
I said I figured Swagger could survive the glass ceiling show because he's built a little like Angle and Lesnar and has some great talent for someone not in the company long.
I still don't buy it for Bourne. Maybe a few early wins to get people excited, but then a free fall. If it was Smackdown, different story. I think by the time the next draft hits he'll be the one we're all begging to switch shows.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 2, 2009 10:46:54 GMT -5
I said I figured Swagger could survive the glass ceiling show because he's built a little like Angle and Lesnar and has some great talent for someone not in the company long. I still don't buy it for Bourne. Maybe a few early wins to get people excited, but then a free fall. If it was Smackdown, different story. Exactly. There are a few people on Raw's mid/undercard that could do good on Smackdown (Kofi, Bourne) and ECW arguably (Kendrick). It's a cluttered brand. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 2, 2009 10:52:29 GMT -5
Exactly. There are a few people on Raw's mid/undercard that could do good on Smackdown (Kofi, Bourne) and ECW arguably (Kendrick). It's a cluttered brand. Also the worst brand for pushing new talent. |
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Post by >(straightedgepunk)< on Jul 2, 2009 11:31:32 GMT -5
Immediately after this statement, Triple H pedigreed Evan Bourne and Jack Swagger.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 11:35:39 GMT -5
Sooo MVP's snorked huh?
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Post by The Verdict on Jul 2, 2009 11:39:29 GMT -5
Sucks doesn't it? No offense to Swagger or Bourne but they're pretty lackluster on the mic where as MVP is the complete package. Oh well, it's nice to hear HHH putting something over for once... |
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jul 2, 2009 11:44:05 GMT -5
Yeah but Swagger has the skills and the look, more importantly, and really he's solid on the mic too. Bourne has the skills too (particularly his selling). Moreover, they're both significantly younger with more upside.
Swagger/Bourne > MVP
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 11:48:06 GMT -5
How long before Swagger gets a 10 minute match with HHH, gets offense, then jobs cleanly to the pedigree to help "put him over" now?
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Post by MGH on Jul 2, 2009 11:51:00 GMT -5
Yeah but Swagger has the skills and the look, more importantly, and really he's solid on the mic too. Bourne has the skills too (particularly his selling). Moreover, they're both significantly younger with more upside. Swagger/Bourne > MVP May be true, but if that's the case since they're the future, wouldn't it make more sense to get what you can out of MVP now while you still have him in his wrestling prime? Out of the three he's clearly the most proven and established after his run on Smackdown. |
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Post by Jobes on Jul 2, 2009 11:53:04 GMT -5
NEW EVOLUTION ZOMG!!1~
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Post by VeggieOverlord on Jul 2, 2009 11:55:17 GMT -5
Swagger will thrive on Raw. Bourne was better off staying on ECW, or possibly moving to Smackdown. Too many stars and big men on Raw for Bourne to get noticed.
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Post by whatamaneuver on Jul 2, 2009 12:04:26 GMT -5
Swagger will thrive on Raw. Bourne was better off staying on ECW, or possibly moving to Smackdown. Too many stars and big men on Raw for Bourne to get noticed. I think the 'too many big men' scenario could help him stand out! Nobody on Raw does the things Bourne can do, so I think he'll do just fine. Swagger is a prodigy that, at this moment, has the potential to succeed wherever he turns up. I love them both being on the main show - hopefully it's going to shake things up! |
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Post by MGH on Jul 2, 2009 12:06:54 GMT -5
The problem with saying Bourne can stand out on Raw is that they just tried this last year and it was a pretty awful experience. Rey moved to Raw for those months and ... wow. I mean that was pure crap. You get guys like Rey in there with people like Edge, Jericho, and Hardy where they can work a similar fast paced style and they thrive. Rey vs. Kane, Mike Knox, the Raw big dudes in general? It flopped pretty bad.
Now I'll grant you Bourne had those awesome matches with Mark Henry so maybe he can do what Rey couldn't. I certainly hope that ends up being the case.
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Post by sloride on Jul 2, 2009 12:09:36 GMT -5
Like we all wouldn't mark if that actually happened. |
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jul 2, 2009 12:11:27 GMT -5
Yeah but Swagger has the skills and the look, more importantly, and really he's solid on the mic too. Bourne has the skills too (particularly his selling). Moreover, they're both significantly younger with more upside. Swagger/Bourne > MVP May be true, but if that's the case since they're the future, wouldn't it make more sense to get what you can out of MVP now while you still have him in his wrestling prime? Out of the three he's clearly the most proven and established after his run on Smackdown. I guess that all depends on what they intend to do with MVP... they may just want him as a perennial US title guy. MVP was pretty established as a heel on Smackdown... but that was ages ago. I'd say Swagger's heat isn't too far from MVP's. I'm not sure what you mean by proven but I tend to prefer Swagger's matches to MVP's. |
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Post by MGH on Jul 2, 2009 12:24:54 GMT -5
May be true, but if that's the case since they're the future, wouldn't it make more sense to get what you can out of MVP now while you still have him in his wrestling prime? Out of the three he's clearly the most proven and established after his run on Smackdown. I guess that all depends on what they intend to do with MVP... they may just want him as a perennial US title guy. MVP was pretty established as a heel on Smackdown... but that was ages ago. I'd say Swagger's heat isn't too far from MVP's. I'm not sure what you mean by proven but I tend to prefer Swagger's matches to MVP's. I prefer Swagger to MVP myself, honestly. What I mean is he's already had more than one high profile feud on one of WWE's two main shows. Benoit more or less trained the guy on the fly, and that almost year long Hardy feud showed that he has what it takes to carry his end of the bargain. Swagger's feud with Christian was great, but it's on ECW. It's not a full fledged, flushed out, main show kind of feud. MVP has had legit storylines already and hit it out of the park, Swagger hasn't had that opportunity yet. I don't doubt that he'll crush it too, but you at least know for sure right now that MVP can and has done it. Swagger's crowd heat might match MVP's, but he's yet to get anything close to what MVP was getting those two weeks they looked like they were programming him with Randy Orton. Talking about dropping the ball in 2009, I think that has to be one of the top examples. Crowd was buying in to that potential feud immediately, then he has one match against 1/2 of Legacy ... then randomly sinks down to William Regal. Whoever cut the elevator cord on his rise up the card sliced his crowd support wire at the exact time they did that. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 2, 2009 12:32:57 GMT -5
I'll believe a Bourne push when I see it. I'm not naive and wasn't Bourne yesterday, you know.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jul 2, 2009 12:44:32 GMT -5
That's the crux of the issue, though. Did they cut the cord on his push to the top, or did he never have a push to the top in the works to begin with?
They're bringing a guy over to RAW who, while well-established on Smackdown, is a new face on RAW (a new babyface, that is; if I remember right the previous time he was on RAW he was heeling it up against Kennedy).
So they bring him in with a quick couple-weeks storyline to say "Hey, this is the US Champ and he's a likeable guy so cheer for him," then move him back down.
That's my theory anyways, and it's consistant with his push; beats lower guys, occasionally gets a higher-profile match that he will inevitibly lose (his tourney match with HHH). Jobber to the stars, if you will.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jul 2, 2009 13:39:51 GMT -5
I like MVP as a mouth peice. However it seems anytinme he has a match over 5-8 min, he is completely winded.
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