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Post by Crazy Diamond on Jul 11, 2009 19:56:33 GMT -5
Well he does have that role, lol....quite obviously BUT the question is why is someone thats so gifted void of any main event status pushes. Because they would rather push people like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger. I saw a suggestion for a Best of 7 series with him and Christian. I hope if the WWE takes any ideas online they take that one. That would get me watching ECW again. It would also help get over both Benjamin and Christian and provide some entertaining matches. As for the charisma argument, most of the wrestlers in the WWE today don't stand out when it comes to charisma anyways. If they do, they are either neutered to comedic levels or they don't get pushed.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jul 11, 2009 19:56:38 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in WWE has seriously considered building up Shelton into a main eventer in years, if ever.
He's far less like Kennedy than like Regal or Finlay: a career midcarder who's decent enough that other guys look good when they beat him.
Shelton isn't failing at anything, because he's exactly where on the card the bookers want him to be. And I can easily see him hanging around in roughly this spot for years to come.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 11, 2009 20:06:23 GMT -5
Yes, everyone already knows you don't like Shelton Benjamin. I think he has enough charisma to carry matches. Compare him to say, Haas. Haas is a good example of someone with almost no charisma. Shelton has enough to carry a promo, have some semblance of a character, and he has good ring psychology. Hence why he is still pushed above a lot of other guys in WWE. Sure he's no Rock or Eddie Guerrero in the charisma department but he gets the job done. Maybe you aren't excited by his matches, but apparently someone is. I always have been. I've stayed a fan of the guy even when he was a jobber, and something made me like him. It sure wasn't promos (his initial RAW push promos were bad). If he is so void of charisma, how did he get the entire crowd to pop big for a new, jobber-looking guy nobody had heard of kicking his head in? He must have something there if he's getting crowd reactions like that. Steady on bro, eJm referenced our discussions on the topic so I was just clarifying my position. I don't like him no, nor do I dislike him either, I just don't get the fuss about him. (I'd argue about The Rock too, because he seemed just as forced but without Shelton's talents, but that is a whole other can o'worms). I'd suggest that you and I like different things out of matches. I love storytelling and emotion. That's why I could watch Piper, Flair, Hunter, Cena all day, but Shelton doesn't have those elements to my mind, his matches consist of a bunch of moves put together and that's that. He's a recognisable face, and I won't deny that he has some level of being over with crowd, recognition does that. Funaki gets pops when he appears now and then, so anybody doing a number on him will of course get that reaction. I just think saying he is "completely devoid of charisma" is a bit of a stretch. Charlie Haas? Sure. Shelton, no. Also, I like both types of wrestling and matches. That is why I like wrestling, because I get a bit of all of that. I get my spotty athleticism and I get my slow paced, drama filled matches. I enjoy both. I like wrestling best when the shows combine a bit of everything: comedy, serious, athletic high flying, a little bit of hardcore, promo work/angles, good storytelling in the ring. I love the technical guys like Regal, the high flyers like Evan Bourne, the master storytellers like a Raven or Undertaker. Actually, my favorite types of matches are usually the ones where a storyteller is paired up with an athletic, spotty guy. See: Morrison vs. Ziggler this week. Great match with contrasting styles. I loved the Shelton vs. Taker contests as well. My point: Shelton is very good at what he does, which is provide exciting athletic action, nifty spots, and showing you something you haven't seen before or won't see from other performers on the roster, which is why he is still around and getting pushed. Only time will tell if that translates into Shelton getting pushed higher up on the card, but I'd love to see him get put into an ECW Title program and see what comes of it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2009 20:09:28 GMT -5
Even the ECW title is clearly a midcard spot though. It's to the level of the IC and US straps, both of which he's already had, so it's not as if that'll be any real elevation for him. Though I wouldn't mind seeing him with an ECW run either.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2009 20:10:35 GMT -5
Also, it saddens me no one got the whole valet post was a jokey reference.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jul 11, 2009 20:10:30 GMT -5
I honestly think Charlie Haas has more in ring charisma and presence than Shelton. He makes me believe. Shelton doesn't.
He also pulled off some great comedy with the imitation gimmick.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 11, 2009 20:11:50 GMT -5
Even the ECW title is clearly a midcard spot though. It's to the level of the IC and US straps, both of which he's already had, so it's not as if that'll be any real elevation for him. Though I wouldn't mind seeing him with an ECW run either. True, but in WWE land the ECW Title is slightly more important. As other have said, it brought new life to some guys, like Mark Henry and Big Show. It could do the same for Shelton. As long as Shelton's on television providing a great match every week though, I don't care. If he never wins the world title it isn't going to be the end of the world. A lot of great performers have never won a world title.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2009 20:15:14 GMT -5
Shelton seems to be doing quite well, he's used very regularly and gets mic time often.
He probably won't be a main eventer, that's okay though. No reason for them to get rid of him as he's been good at putting people over.
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Post by azz0r on Jul 11, 2009 20:16:47 GMT -5
If Shelton ever went to TNA, I forsee him being the WWFs Stone Cold Steve Austin. Maybe without the charisma, but work alone would get him to the top of TNA.
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Post by Porter on Jul 11, 2009 20:21:40 GMT -5
He's fine here and he's fine now.(Mic skills that is. )
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2009 20:23:18 GMT -5
If Shelton ever went to TNA, I forsee him being the WWFs Stone Cold Steve Austin. Maybe without the charisma, but work alone would get him to the top of TNA. I like Shelton a lot, but I can't see that at all, especially since they've already got Angle, who is better than Shelton in pretty much every category.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 11, 2009 20:27:14 GMT -5
His ceiling was always higher than Charlie Haas' because Shelton had the greater athleticism and ability to pull off high spots. Also, he is a (well-edaclated) black man, which made him a potential draw for an underrepresented demographic. For a long time it did feel like he had that it-factor those crazy kids talk about. And he still has that potential, just like Mark Henry (mentioned above) and Jeff Hardy. Val Venis was also a great comparison. Shelton, even if he never makes the leap to the main event of the pay per view, will always be a threat for the midcard title and a solid hand to elevate the next influx of talent. don't knock Haas athleticism. WHen he and Rico teamed he leaped to the top rope and did a turning crossbody and a turning axhandle that were pretty impressive and much more than I expected.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2009 20:29:21 GMT -5
If Shelton ever went to TNA, I forsee him being the WWFs Stone Cold Steve Austin. Maybe without the charisma, but work alone would get him to the top of TNA. I like Shelton a lot, but I can't see that at all, especially since they've already got Angle, who is better than Shelton in pretty much every category. Shelton could school Angle in Vidja Games
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2009 20:30:33 GMT -5
He's fine here and he's fine now.(Mic skills that is. ) He was funny 5 years ago. People love to bring that skit up and use to sell people on Shelton as being Mr Charisma Right now, in 2009: He. Isnt. Really. Over. Nothing they have tried is working. He's talented, I wont every deny that, but he's just missing "it"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2009 20:31:54 GMT -5
I like Shelton a lot, but I can't see that at all, especially since they've already got Angle, who is better than Shelton in pretty much every category. Shelton could school Angle in Vidja Games That's a segment I wouldn't mind seeing, Shelton challenges Kurt, and Kurt busts out the Atari 2600
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 11, 2009 20:38:51 GMT -5
He's fine here and he's fine now.(Mic skills that is. ) He was funny 5 years ago. People love to bring that skit up and use to sell people on Shelton as being Mr Charisma Right now, in 2009: He. Isnt. Really. Over. Nothing they have tried is working. He's talented, I wont every deny that, but he's just missing "it" Yoshi gets a huge pop and pretty mcuh instant overness from one move against Shelton and he "isn't really over at all." Hmm. Okay. I brought up an example from two weeks ago. Address that and explain the crowd reaction. Shelton isn't a main eventer right now, he may never be, but saying he "isn't over at all" is just flat out wrong. Otherwise there would have been no crowd reaction from that segment.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 11, 2009 20:52:14 GMT -5
Say what you will about Shelton's development as a wrestling "personality" (note the quotation marks), the match this week with Yoshi Tatsu proves why Vince is keeping him around. With the right wrestlers, Shelton know how to general a match well, and he seems to have gotten over the yips he used to have (ie botches and whatnot).
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Post by sloride on Jul 12, 2009 2:59:51 GMT -5
JR did comment on Shelton in his blog a while back and said that it was Shelton's lack of charisma that is stopping him breaking into the main event. Yes he can have great matches but I get so bored watching him.
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Post by Cela on Jul 12, 2009 3:32:57 GMT -5
Someday his push will come.
And I must say I'm a little surprised. I'd think Stryker would love Shelton. Not too great on the mic, but awesome in ring ability. Hes like the polar opposite of Kevin Nash.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jul 12, 2009 4:59:50 GMT -5
*sigh* Nash isn't good on the mic either But yeah, Shelton can do anything in the ring, I just get bored watching him do it. I'd choose him over Nash anyday though.
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