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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Jul 24, 2009 1:39:33 GMT -5
To be fair, from what I read, it's not really Vince, but Linda that needs these changes made to cozy up to the Connecticut Board of Education. Why does she want to be on that anyway? Doesn't she have enough work in the WWE? Because the McMahon’s possess a desperate need to be legitimized or accepted by the mainstream. It's the same reason they hire Z-level writers who can't hold gigs on bottom of the barrel TV sitcoms instead of letting wrestlers write their own promos--deep down, they're ashamed of the connotation and history of wrestling, and have for some 10 years in some shape or form tried to recreate the sport, mutating it into the broken fiasco it is for the most part today. Somehow, being accepted on a board filled with your rich white peers--despite being a Carny-- is a victory for them. |
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 24, 2009 1:43:35 GMT -5
Why does she want to be on that anyway? Doesn't she have enough work in the WWE? Because the McMahon’s possess a desperate need to be legitimized or accepted by the mainstream. It's the same reason they hire Z-level writers who can't hold gigs on bottom of the barrel TV sitcoms instead of letting wrestlers write their own promos--deep down, they're ashamed of the connotation and history of wrestling, and have for some 10 years in some shape or form tried to recreate the sport, mutating it into the broken fiasco it is for the most part today. Somehow, being accepted on a board filled with your rich white peers--despite being a Carny-- is a victory for them. Heh...couldn't agree more with you on this. Cornette pointed these exact same things out in one of his rants the other day. It's like they're ashamed of what they came from, and seek by any means to disassociate themselves from the sport which made them millionaires. Hence why we have "sports entertainment" instead of wrestling, "scripts" instead of run sheets or programs, and even the word "character" which as Cornette rightly points out, is almost an entirely McMahon invention. |
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Post by The_Punisher on Jul 24, 2009 3:10:51 GMT -5
So, wrestling should be niche.
In the programming ghetto.
Something that only a small audience would appreciate.
Something that the mainstream doesn't respect.
Wrestling should be small and not big.
Being in the mainstream isn't bad.
It's good.
Thats what people like Cornette don't understand.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 24, 2009 3:15:56 GMT -5
So, wrestling should be niche. In the programming ghetto. Something that only a small audience would appreciate. Something that the mainstream doesn't respect. Wrestling should be small and not big. Being in the mainstream isn't bad. It's good. Thats what people like Cornette don't understand. Attitude Era was niche? Hmmm. I'm not saying wrestling needs to return to trashy shock booking or anything, but some lessons of the Attitude Era, which were extensions of Rock n' Wrestling (strong midcard, emphasis on character development with midcarders, viable tag team division) could still be applied to todays scene with success. |
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Post by The_Punisher on Jul 24, 2009 3:22:35 GMT -5
So, wrestling should be niche. In the programming ghetto. Something that only a small audience would appreciate. Something that the mainstream doesn't respect. Wrestling should be small and not big. Being in the mainstream isn't bad. It's good. Thats what people like Cornette don't understand. Attitude Era was niche? Hmmm. I'm not saying wrestling needs to return to trashy shock booking or anything, but some lessons of the Attitude Era, which were extensions of Rock n' Wrestling (strong midcard, emphasis on character development with midcarders, viable tag team division) could still be applied to todays scene with success.  You completely missed my point. The whole point was that guys like Cornette WANT wrestling to be niche. |
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Jul 24, 2009 4:04:41 GMT -5
Attitude Era was niche? Hmmm. I'm not saying wrestling needs to return to trashy shock booking or anything, but some lessons of the Attitude Era, which were extensions of Rock n' Wrestling (strong midcard, emphasis on character development with midcarders, viable tag team division) could still be applied to todays scene with success. You completely missed my point. The whole point was that guys like Cornette WANT wrestling to be niche. Except wrestling IS niche. It will never be accepted by mainstream entertainment ever, because it’s nothing like standard entertainment no matter how much Vince & Stephanie pretend it is. When they try to be a "variety show” or try to make movies or music they bomb vociferously because when they venture outside what they know, they come across as being embarrassingly bush-league—pretty much to the point where their acting and skits are on par with public access television. Wrestling is what it is: Wrestling. It’s NOT a 2 hour action/adventure series!!!111 It’s a scripted athletic event featuring larger than life characters beating the crap out of each other and saying and doing things we—the viewers—then live vicariously through. It’s not equal to any primetime sitcom or drama. It stands alone. It’s wrestling. And when it’s done right, it’s better than those other things to millions of people around the world, who don’t want another shitty “2 and a Half Men”, but instead two bad ass motherf***ers kicking ass and spouting clever insults not heard in real life. Our whole point is that Vince has purposely changed how he presents his product to the point where he's trying to recreate the wheel. Instead of taking aspects of his golden ages that always worked and made huge money, and just added a modern-day spin to it, he's done the opposite; stubbornly pushing things that have not only failed for him countless times, but WCW and other dead territories, whilst ignoring or down right burying aspects that always worked. It’s asinine. I think a HUGE problem today is that a whole new generation of clueless fans have come up with no scope of wrestling history and no understanding of how it used to work; and no concept of what truly exciting booking is because they've grown up on this micro-managed piss-poor blunderf*** of a pro wrestling landscape where nothing really ever happens, there is no lateral movement for 99% of the roster, and the management over-scripts, produces, and manages the company to such an incredibly absurd totalitarian degree that even announcers get yelled at for calling THE WRESTLING MOVES WE’RE WATCHING, and the wrestlers get a list of banned expressions FORBIDDEN to be spoken on camera like “Wrestler, Wrestling, belt, strap, feud, etc.) There’s really no defending it. It was better run ten years ago. And finally, the numbers are starting to back that up. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 24, 2009 4:09:26 GMT -5
Attitude Era was niche? Hmmm. I'm not saying wrestling needs to return to trashy shock booking or anything, but some lessons of the Attitude Era, which were extensions of Rock n' Wrestling (strong midcard, emphasis on character development with midcarders, viable tag team division) could still be applied to todays scene with success. You completely missed my point. The whole point was that guys like Cornette WANT wrestling to be niche. At this point wrestling IS niche. Do you walk around talking about how much you like wrestling? I spend more time explaining why I still like it anymore than I do talking about it. Wrestling IS a niche thing, just like many other forms of entertainment, and you either "get it" or you don't. I don't see what's so bad about that. Something doesn't have to be hugely successful amongst the general public and be the hot trend for me to like it. But hey, if you can't deal with wrestling being niche, continue facepalming. I'll continue enjoying this "uncool" thing as I always have. |
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Post by The_Punisher on Jul 24, 2009 4:17:43 GMT -5
I don't have to take this crap.
I'm leaving this thread.
I tap out.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 24, 2009 4:30:27 GMT -5
So, if they cannot call it the "Ho Train" anymore, maybe that means Michael Cole will not say "Vintage Godfather"? No, he will find a way to sneak it in, someway. *($&*#!ing Michael Cole! Knowing the E's logic, it'll just be the Train. Or the Godfather will do what HBK always does for "suck it; Let the fans say it for him. |
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jul 24, 2009 5:54:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah! Bring back the ho train!
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fixxxer456
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Post by fixxxer456 on Jul 24, 2009 6:56:08 GMT -5
Know who I want to have host RAW? YES!!!! I loved when he came on Smackdown! |
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Post by Cactus Jack on Jul 24, 2009 8:00:18 GMT -5
Yay, Godfather.
Yay, more raunchy stuff.
This is good news.
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SAJ Forth
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jul 24, 2009 10:45:15 GMT -5
Do you think they'll avoid trouble by having him call them his "Special Friends"?
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hassanchop
Grimlock
Who are you to doubt Belldandy?
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 24, 2009 11:25:52 GMT -5
He'll probably go back to his Papa Shango gimmick. Imagine that Papa Shango as your host.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 24, 2009 14:11:00 GMT -5
I don't have to take this crap. I'm leaving this thread. I tap out. Why? I mean, if you're getting close to going off and flaming someone, fine. But don't just throw up your arms and give up when someone counters your points with equally valid ones. One thing I would suggest is fleshing out your response more than just single sentences. Helps make your responses seem less terse and confrontational, and elaboration never hurts a point. Speaking of points, I can see what yours is about Cornette...I think. It seems to me that you're saying that Cornette wants things to be as they were back in the days of the territories, right? It does seem as such to me, as well, but my interpretation of it is that he merely wants certain ASPECTS of the business to go back to the way things were. Certain things like bringing back kayfabe strongly, and treating the sport with more respect than it's currently being treated with. |
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hassanchop
Grimlock
Who are you to doubt Belldandy?
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 24, 2009 14:49:29 GMT -5
Or he could come out dressed as Papa Shango while in The Godfather character, that would be gold! Godfather Shango |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jul 24, 2009 15:03:20 GMT -5
I don't have to take this crap. I'm leaving this thread. I tap out. *pulls down straps* TAAAAAAAAAAAAAP! TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP! |
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Post by carter 15 on Jul 25, 2009 3:12:12 GMT -5
Vince is the still the same guy that when he took over, wanted what wasn't suppose to be possible. As in, becoming sole number 1, by mowing through all territories, until they're dead. You can't EVER be surprised that this man wants more, his not going to take "where a niche" until the day he dies, and why should he? He feels like he can tell people what wrestling is, and i guaruntee you you would to if you were the creator of modern day north american wrestling.
BTW, YES to Godfather, if not just for his entrance and entrance theme.
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