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Post by crudulak on Oct 8, 2009 11:09:36 GMT -5
I'm thinking we count T&C and CHF as town. Maybe Sorceress too for confirming that? It would be a really odd coincidence with two replacements out of those three if they were all Mafia.
T&C: I wasn't questioning your character claim, I was just pointing out that there didn't necessarily have to be a Snitsky in the game since Brother Midnight and Big Daddy Caddy are pretty obscure.
So far, I don't see a reason to doubt that the Snitsky character is a Crapper. But I think the Gooker could be Mafia. Even if all the Mafia so far have been Wrestlecrap insiders, the Gooker holds a special place on the site; The Gooker Awards. Not enough for me to vote, but enough for me to doubt.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Oct 8, 2009 15:42:06 GMT -5
Who actually IS Big Daddy Cadillac? Some wrestler?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Oct 8, 2009 17:31:43 GMT -5
Unvote
I had linked Curt Hawkins Fan to two others I was highly suspicious of (as stated in previous voting post). Actually, I had linked him to one person in particular in terms of voting, and it seemed rational that he would be in the Mafia mix. If nothing else, this has cemented my suspicion of a couple of others, as Curt Hawkins Fan isn't the mafia lackey I had assumed, just a bystander that got caught in the mix. I still didn't fully believe the Tea and Crumpets post about the brotherhood, as I was still suspicious the Curt Hawkins Fan could still be Mafia with the perk of being able to PM a townie. But, I'll admit that I'm wrong in this case, because the Oblivion Sorceress confirmation negates that possibility since she's a third party. As someone else stated, I don't find it feasible that Tea and Crumpets, Oblivion Sorceress, AND Curt Hawkins Fan could all three be in cahoots, especially given the circumstances of two of those players assuming more than one role thus far in the game. It's just not mathematically likely that the coincedence could have happened like that. So, with that being said and with three more names on my current "safe" list, nightfall is going to hopefully give me more confirmation on two people that I really feel strongly about. Now, since those names aren't going to have *any* influence whatsoever in people's day 2 votes, I'm prepared to explain as soon as Day 3 hits. Also, it's not going to serve anyone for me to discuss it at this time, so before I get a prompt from one of the more active members, it's not going to change votes off of blackdeath, so there's no need in having me rattle the cage of another player at this point. I hope that makes sense.
And on that note, I'm still not ultra convinced lynching blackdeath is the thing to do. The one thing I believe about both Daveman AND blackdeath is that they are experienced players. Other than that, I really don't know. Those two being experienced players, I think some of us are eating out of blackdeath's hands a little easily. I have no idea what that means really, but I'm still hesitant that voting for blackdeath could yield positive results. I'm more concerned with Mafia at this point, and I'm just not sure he's Mafia. In fact, I'm pretty convinced he's not. Not trying to get people to unvote or anything, but I just feel like it's a lost cause to cast a vote in the direction of someone I've cleared (at least in my mind) of being affiliated with Mafia.
Vote: Z-A Sandbaggin Son of A B*#%h
Why? Because I voted that direction last round. After night, I did mention that I think he's simply an Alexander So-So part II. However, unlike Alexander, he did come back, and I don't exactly buy his honesty approach just yet. Now, he's not one of the two top suspects that I just mentioned, but he could be that Curt Hawkins Fan type of role that led me to pick out Curt Hawkins Fan in the first place. (What I mean is that I see two remaining members as more prominent mafia members and a third in a more third wheel type of role. I don't fully understand all mafia night abilities at this point, which is why I'm anxious to see what night reveals in the way of potential mafia capabilities. )
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Post by OblivionSorceress on Oct 8, 2009 18:59:10 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Mafia at this point, and I'm just not sure he's Mafia. In fact, I'm pretty convinced he's not. So far I'd have to agree with you that Blackdeath isn't Mafia. That's just the feeling I'm getting when I read his responses to things. But what we have to consider is, is he a serial killer like he claims? If so, who is his target? If he is a serial killer, he is like a double edged sword, he could potentially kill mafia or he could kill townies. Then again I suppose most killing roles have this risk. But for all we know, his target could be a townie, in which case he isn't here for the town. Also like I said before, his win condition as I understand it is to kill his target. It isn't till all scum are dead. In the end, his win condition isn't that of the towns.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Oct 8, 2009 19:10:43 GMT -5
Guys... no one's been debating about blackdeath being Mafia. In fact, it's pretty well established that he isn't.
Blackdeath (and Daveman before him) is a 3rd Party Serial Killer. The best way to imagine how that role plays into this game is like this: if the town are sheep and the Mafia are the wolves hiding amongst the sheep, then the Serial Killer is a bear who wants to kill both sheep AND wolves. And while our primary goal is rooting out the wolves, it'd be foolish to leave a bear standing around if we know we can't trust it.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Oct 8, 2009 19:15:56 GMT -5
EBWOP
Oh, and I agree that we've pretty much exhausted the discussion for today. Time to advance the game.
Vote: blackdeath
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 8, 2009 19:49:31 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Mafia at this point, and I'm just not sure he's Mafia. In fact, I'm pretty convinced he's not. So far I'd have to agree with you that Blackdeath isn't Mafia. That's just the feeling I'm getting when I read his responses to things. But what we have to consider is, is he a serial killer like he claims? If so, who is his target? If he is a serial killer, he is like a double edged sword, he could potentially kill mafia or he could kill townies. Then again I suppose most killing roles have this risk. But for all we know, his target could be a townie, in which case he isn't here for the town. Also like I said before, his win condition as I understand it is to kill his target. It isn't till all scum are dead. In the end, his win condition isn't that of the towns. If he is Kane, then the obvious target is whoever Ric Flair is. Y'know, burning his clothes and obtaining powers and all. However, the events of the past couple days really don't sit too well with me. Too many people rushing to lynch, when there is still a lot to be discussed, like where a lot of the people who have been silent are. While I can understand why people are going after blackdeath, and they're probably right, something is just rubbing me the wrong way.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Oct 8, 2009 20:24:40 GMT -5
At work at the moment. Will do a vote count (& write up if we are indeed at a lynch) when i get home. It'll be up kinda late, prolly around 1:00 am or so PST.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Oct 8, 2009 21:28:52 GMT -5
Well I don't want to be killed because some damn serial killer says so, so Vote Blackdeath
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 8, 2009 22:28:55 GMT -5
Oh man, day 2 is ending. So I'm gonna add my thoughts before Al Bundy starts night. However, the events of the past couple days really don't sit too well with me. Too many people rushing to lynch, when there is still a lot to be discussed, like where a lot of the people who have been silent are. While I can understand why people are going after blackdeath, and they're probably right, something is just rubbing me the wrong way. As with I. Like I said earlier, people have been riding the popular blackdeath wave of accusations and votes, to bandwagon. It is reasonable to vote for him, because of the potential threat, but it's been a little overkill on discussing it. I myself was gonig to vote for him, because of the threat of being a serial killer, but then I didn't want to end day 2 so early. We already know he's a third party/kane, and that's all well and good, but many of us aren't taking advantage of the time we had left to discuss the other potential mafia. It's like blackdeath is a scapegoat to safely hide behind, until night 2, since I'm seeing the rush to the lynch. I even mentioned the fact about D-2 and other players, showing apathy to any theories against D-2. Yet again that was ignored in favor of talking more about blackdeath. Maybe mafia goons are trying to keep D2 safe by letting it go past our heads, hoping people will forget about it? So I went ahead myself and looked back on day 1 to see who disregarded the D-2 theory and hopped onto the Alexander/Daveman trains to lynching. It seems the same shades of that are happening again with the blackdeath lynching. Again, I'm not saying all of them are suspicious, but there are bound to be mafia players using this exact plan. So just to add my own thoughts to help out as much as I can: From the first round I see these people went on both the Alexander/Daveman wagons, (Alexander being innocent, daveman being third party Kane) as well as the current Blackdeath wagon (again Kane), while also not mentioning D2. They are Ravishing, Jonathan Michaels, Micheal Hayden, Z-A, and Emoticon. I'm betting at least one of you are mafia. Some I left out like T&C, CHF, and ritt, because of the revealing of their roles. Which is a whole different story all together. At this moment I'm going to believe them. These are two people that, like deadpool (a confirmed dead mafia scum,) didn't use the crappers greatest asset of voting, maybe to wait for us to finish each other off: Sweet & Sour, and jagiliki.This jagiliki posts also got me wondering: Unvote:Sorry for not posting as much. You guys are kicking ass. I'd like to see Crud play on EFK..... Now as for what's going on. Well. FOS: Jazzman Cruds either a really good townie, or an AWESOME mafia. I'm leaning towards good townie... I think voting him is pretty much scummy Jagiliki unvotes Blackdeath without a reason given, and FOS jazzman/oblivion also with no reason. He also focuses the post on telling the crappers, specfically crudulak, how good of a job we are doing, while the unvote, and FoS are pretty much in the background. Maybe jag is congratulating crappers like crudulak, in an attempt to look like he is on the crapper side? Right now, that's all I got. Everyone else I consider innocent, for now.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 8, 2009 22:32:47 GMT -5
EBWOP:
I also forgot to mention I didn't vote now, because my vote would go to Blackdeath, and from my count, he already has the alloted amount of votes. Plus I don't want to be the final; "make sure/just in case vote" because I don't want to be the one to end day 2, and plus I'm wary to be the final vote, if Kane has some sort of vengeful 'kill the last person who causes your death/lynch' power.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Oct 8, 2009 22:59:41 GMT -5
Like I've said, of the Alexander-voters (and yes, I know I'm one), Ravishing and ritt are the most suspicious in my view. Neither has contributed much, with Ravishing's use of the "I'm just not talkative" reason being dubious at best. Meanwhile, ritt's character-claim seemed to come at an interesting time, so soon after I commented on theotherkevin's likely role and his confirmation of it, almost as if he was hoping to ride theotherkevin's coat-tails to safety.
And then, of course, there's pegasus and jagiliki, who seem to be just between lurker and active status. I don't trust either at the moment, likely even less than I trust anyone else.
As far as D-2... eh. I found his concerns about Daveman earlier on to be reasonable, and I'd think that his concerns have been validated by the fact that now most players here are wanting to see daveman/blackdeath gone (and if not, why do even those who claim not to like focusing on it bring him up as a likely recipient of their vote?). And though he's been a lurker lately, the mod seems to think it's a legit reason, and that's good enough for me at the moment. When he comes back, I'll keep an eye on him as I've done everyone else, but he's just not that high up on my suspect list. That may eventually change, but it won't change just because I'm now a suspect due to not suspecting him.
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Post by crudulak on Oct 8, 2009 23:20:25 GMT -5
I'm willing to unvote if there's going to be more discussion, and if it still counts.
Unvote
NO NO, DON'T LOOK AT ME AS SCUM...SEE, I'M DOING STUFF ONLY A TOWN PERSON WOULD DO... SEE?! I'LL EVEN TELL YOU WHEN I'M DOING IT SO THAT YOU WON'T MISS IT
It's hard to engage players like D2, Sweet & Sour and ZA in order to determine if they're scum. I'd hate to start lynching Crappers just because they're lurkers. Lurking doesn't help us win. Harry Lockhart has been quiet lately, and seems to be overlooked by everyone.
My current scum list: 1. ZA 2. D2 3. Harry Lockhart 4. jagilki 5. Sweet & Sour
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Post by blackdeath on Oct 8, 2009 23:25:04 GMT -5
i have not said much because i really have nothing much more to add , but the cop needs to use there gut feeling , and so does the vig, well it was fun playing why it lasted and i hope i add least something . also have fun and see you all next game peace!!!
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Oct 8, 2009 23:41:09 GMT -5
I can understand some suspicions towards me on Day 2 by my not being involved, but I mentioned to Al when we went to night that I'd be on a bit of a vacation this past weekend and wouldn't be able to say anything. Come home, deal with stuff, but hey, I'm here now.
The Daveman/blackdeath/blackhole/caveman/whatever situation seems to have been handled. He's a serial killer, and he's being killed for it. Everybody seems ok with letting him run around killing people at night. But let me ask you this: What if you're next? What if you were one of the ones on his hitlist to go after next? Would you have that same feeling? We as Crappers need to realize that it's cool to have a rabid guard dog, but the knowledge that the dog could bite the hand that feeds it at any moment is enough to have me put it down.
I'll come clean right here and now, cause I have nothing to fear. I am not Mafia. In fact, I have nothing of use to anybody. Literally. I'm just an innocent Crapper stuck in the crossfire. Which sucks.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Oct 9, 2009 1:41:14 GMT -5
Sorry, Crud, but once blackdeath hit the magic number of 10 votes, that's a lynch.
Official Vote Count
blackdeath - 10 (ritt, Ravishing, Tea & Crumpets, Jonathan Michaels, Michael Hayden, Harry Lockhart,Z-A, crudulak, Mr. Emoticon Man, Curt Hawkins Fan) Z-A - 1 (pegasuswarrior)
With 10 votes blackdeath has been lynched. Write up to come soon.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Oct 9, 2009 2:22:02 GMT -5
Conference Room A has been a hotbed of activity all day. Accusations have been flying all day and they've all been towards the mysterious figure in the corner. Whenever they ask him to speak, he merely waves them off, preferring to hide behind his hooded sweater.
As the hour approaches nine o' clock, the group has had enough. Madison stands up and addresses the shrouded figure.
"Look, pal, we're sick and tired of you dodging us. If you're not gonna help us, you're no good to us. Prepare to meet your maker."
As the group advances on the mystery man, he pulls back his hood to reveal Kane! Kane tears off the sweater and reveals his hidden weapon, a bloody hook on a chain. He swings it around the room and lunges at Madison with it. Madison manages to dodge it as Lex Luger stands up and grabs hold of the chain and rips it from Kane's hands.
Kane then decides to run and hide, the Crappers in pursuit behind him. Kane bursts through a nearby door with a sign on it reading "Private WrestleCrap Reenactment. No Admittance!" As Kane makes his way inside, he sees a scrawny man in a horribly done Kane costume on top of a mannequin in a casket. In the dark corner of the room one can barely make out Michael Cole and Heidenreich, watching intently at the goings on. Kane pauses, leering at the casket with some sort of odd gaze. It doesn't last long as Luger blasts him from behind with his forearm. Kane falls and the wannabe runs away crying. The rest of the Crappers make their way inside and beat down Kane with some nearby folding chairs. Once unconscious, the Crappers pick up Kane and deposit him inside the casket and slam the lid shut.
"What do we do with him now, baby?" asks Brother Midnight.
"I've got a plan," says Big Daddy Cadillac. "Grab that casket and follow me."
The Crappers lift the casket and make their way to a freight elevator. They travel down to the parking structure and are led by Big Daddy Cadillac to a large truck. After loading the casket inside, a few brave souls join Big Daddy Cadillac and Brother Midnight inside and drive off.
After a few minutes, they make their way to a junkyard.
"Why is this so familiar?" asks The Brain.
"Remember the Junkyard Battle Royal, daddy?"
"I've tried to forget it."
The men unload the casket and place it inside the car crusher. The casket thumps as Kane tries to fight his way out. Luger grabs the controls for the car crusher and presses the "start" button.
"See you in Hell, Kane!" says Luger.
The car crusher lowers and smashes the casket. A huge explosion follows and the Crappers run for cover. They all jump into the truck and head back to the Convention Center to let the rest of the Crappers know that blackdeath aka Kane, Serial Killer is no more.
Dead - blackdeath aka Kane, Serial Killer/??Still Alive: 1. theotherkevin 2. blackdeath3. D-lirious-2 4. Harry Lockhart 5. Michael Hayden/Mike Corral 6. jagilki 7. Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a B*#%h 8. Nekopool9. OblivionSorceress 10. Johnathan Michaels 11. Alexander the So-So12. Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan 13. Ravishing One 14. Curt Hawkins Fan 15. crudulak 16.Sweet n' Sour 17.Tea and Crumpets18. pegasuswarrior 19. Veronica Sawyer 20. Tea & Crumpets 21. ritt Dead Tea & Crumpets aka Dennis Stamp, Crapper (mod-killed Day 1) Alexander the So-So aka kongadave, Crapper (lynched Day 1) Nekopool aka Blade Braxton, Mafia Roleblocker (killed Night 1, forearm shot) blackdeath aka Kane, Serial Killer/?? (lynched Day 2) Night 2 will begin in 30 minutes (1:00 AM PST). Per rule 7: 7. Once it is Night there is to be no posting in the thread. First offense is a warning. Second offense is a mod kill. All those with Night Actions must now send them in to me via PM with "Night Action" in the Subject line PLEASE. Deadline for Night Actions will be October 11, 7:00 PM PST. If possible and I have all night actions in early, I may start Day 3 early.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Oct 9, 2009 12:44:45 GMT -5
FYI since this thread is over 30 pages, I've made a new thread. Link is here. Also, Sweet N Sour informed me that he's going to be away for the next 3 days. he will still be in the game. Any questions, PM me.
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