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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 9, 2009 1:49:21 GMT -5
You know, after thinking about it, I'm glad Sting never went to the WWE, especially during the Invasion. I shudder to think what they would've done with him. If they can take one of WCW's biggest faces in DDP and turn him into a smiling baffoon, I don't really want to think about what they could've had Sting do. Especially considering DDP took a paycut and a piddly buyout of a lucrative contract to come into the company. I felt bad for him not only as a fan, but as a person 'cos he got f***ed over so bad. |
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 9, 2009 1:53:17 GMT -5
This shows that Vince values loyalty over money. Had he really cared about making money, he would have told Holly and others to f*** off and elevated guys like DDP an Booker a lot better. I'm just guessing Holly was one of the longtime WWF/E guys worried about losing their jobs to the new WCW/ECW talent coming in. Yeah I really never understood that "We have to keep huge moneymakers like Bob Holly, Faaroqq, Bradshaw, Billy Gunn, Haku, Essa Rios, Steve Blackman and Albert happy!" mentality. These were guys lucky to have jobs to start with. |
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 9, 2009 2:42:53 GMT -5
I'm still mad over the treatment of DDP. I was always a big fan of his WCW work, and he is capable of taking the ball and running with it.
But THIS, is the definition of a burial. And it's a damn shame, because they wasted talent.
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Post by Rick Mad on Aug 9, 2009 14:06:34 GMT -5
Yeah I'm on board with DDP being one of WWE's biggest missed opportunities. He could have been as over as anyone, he was a great worker, great charisma and mic skills.. him fighting Christian at WM for the European Title made me so sad. Even when he went to TNA I kept hoping he'd get that belt off Jarrett and he didn't get to do that either.  |
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Post by Rick Mad on Aug 9, 2009 14:08:50 GMT -5
Another thing that confused me was that at this point I thought WCW was still being pushed as the "face" organization for some dumb reason. So you take DDP who is a natural babyface and introduce him as a heel. Then have Booker T, who most WWF fans saw as a midcarder at that point, lead WCW, while I believe DDP could have been easily accepted as a main eventer. blah whatever
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 9, 2009 14:13:53 GMT -5
Why would you stalk this:  When you've got this at home:  Thats what I never understood... He wanted a feud with the Undertaker, so he antagonized him in a personal manner. That entire calendar year (from April to April the following year) was chock full of missed opportunities, from stopping a push for the Hardy's to completely sacrificing Jericho's push at the altar of HHH. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 9, 2009 14:26:47 GMT -5
You know, after thinking about it, I'm glad Sting never went to the WWE, especially during the Invasion. I shudder to think what they would've done with him. If they can take one of WCW's biggest faces in DDP and turn him into a smiling baffoon, I don't really want to think about what they could've had Sting do. Sting didn't go for moral reasons, but I bet that Nash, Flair, Steiner, Goldberg, Hogan, and Hall all waited to go to the WWE until after the Invasion angle was over because they wished to avoid the career death that Page suffered. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2009 14:58:08 GMT -5
Another thing that confused me was that at this point I thought WCW was still being pushed as the "face" organization for some dumb reason. So you take DDP who is a natural babyface and introduce him as a heel. Then have Booker T, who most WWF fans saw as a midcarder at that point, lead WCW, while I believe DDP could have been easily accepted as a main eventer. blah whatever Sting said in an interview once (I think for his TNA DVD) that the main reason he refused to go to WWF during the Invasion was when he saw Booker's main-show debut. Booker, the current WCW World Champion at the time of the buyout, runs into the ring and starts cleaning house, and the crowd is going berzerk. The Rock, who I think was then WWF Champion, storms to the ring, looks Booker up and down, gets a look of disgust on his face, and just says, "Who are you?" Sting immediately knew what the story was going to be at that point, and, go figure, he was 100% correct. As has been said a million times before, though, clearly, the most frustrating part of the Invasion is that they just HAD to pull the trigger on ending it with only Booker T and RVD getting ANY kind of push to represent the actual WCW and ECW talent (lest we forget: SHANE @#$%ING MCMAHON WAS ON THE FINAL ALLIANCE TEAM, DEAR GOD WHO BOOKED THIS MESS?!), and the very next night they debuted Ric Flair. A few months later, the nWo. A little while later, Scott Steiner and Goldberg. Before then, Bischoff. I know not every WCW big name was readily available, but dear God, they didn't have ANY ideas to kill some time until they were? None, really?! I don't even know if I'd have watched much during this era, anyway, but the sheer level of horrific writing and booking just offends every creative bone in my body any time I think about this. It's almost painful how badly it was done. |
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 9, 2009 15:00:59 GMT -5
You know, after thinking about it, I'm glad Sting never went to the WWE, especially during the Invasion. I shudder to think what they would've done with him. If they can take one of WCW's biggest faces in DDP and turn him into a smiling baffoon, I don't really want to think about what they could've had Sting do. Sting didn't go for moral reasons, but I bet that Nash, Flair, Steiner, Goldberg, Hogan, and Hall all waited to go to the WWE until after the Invasion angle was over because they wished to avoid the career death that Page suffered. I believe some of those guys had contracts directly with Time-Warner. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2009 15:03:25 GMT -5
Sting didn't go for moral reasons, but I bet that Nash, Flair, Steiner, Goldberg, Hogan, and Hall all waited to go to the WWE until after the Invasion angle was over because they wished to avoid the career death that Page suffered. I believe some of those guys had contracts directly with Time-Warner. Exactly, and, like I said, Sting considered going but turned it down when he saw how the WCW talent was being booked. Still, again, given how quickly some of those big talents showed up after the storyline ended, there's really no reason why they had to book it the way they did. |
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 9, 2009 15:16:02 GMT -5
I was not watching WWF at the time,but couldn't they also have easily had him face the Rock over who was the real "The People's Champion"?or did they do it and i dont know?
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Post by valiens on Aug 9, 2009 15:45:26 GMT -5
Now imagine that this debut had taken place after Austin make the "What?!" chant a speech-killer.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 9, 2009 15:50:01 GMT -5
I was not watching WWF at the time,but couldn't they also have easily had him face the Rock over who was the real "The People's Champion"?or did they do it and i dont know? I dont think they ever wrestled, but if they did it was just a throwaway match on SD or something. By the time Rock started factoring into Invasion DDP was near the end of being made to look like a joke. |
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Post by clifford on Aug 9, 2009 15:54:38 GMT -5
Man, i loved the invasion.
Hey, I was a 13 year old mark, f*** it, I found it fascinating.
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Post by Ragnal on Aug 9, 2009 15:58:29 GMT -5
I was not watching WWF at the time,but couldn't they also have easily had him face the Rock over who was the real "The People's Champion"?or did they do it and i dont know? I dont think they ever wrestled, but if they did it was just a throwaway match on SD or something. By the time Rock started factoring into Invasion DDP was near the end of being made to look like a joke. Yeah, a friend and I discussed that in an article I wrote once. Sadly, they decided making him a joke was better than at least testing the waters to see how could he could get over in WCW. Hell, the guy bought out his contract with Turner and took a paycut so he could get back into the ring, hang with some of his old buds, and just wrestle. What we get instead is DDP being a stalker, which would mean he's sorta cheating on his wife, losing to that wife, and so on. Great mess, WWE. |
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Post by Maniac Mitch on Aug 9, 2009 16:01:48 GMT -5
Why would you stalk this: When you've got this at home: Thats what I never understood... What I got from the angle(after Page unmasked of course) was that he wasn't actually interested in Sara. In fact, he even says as much in that first promo. It was all about throwing Undertaker off his game and proving that he had a weakness. That's my biggest dissagreement with the induction of the angle and how it was covered. Page didn't want Sara, he wanted to get into Undertaker's head. That's why I had no problem with him being revealed as the stalker because it made sense to me. It wasn't about her. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 9, 2009 16:10:59 GMT -5
I dont think they ever wrestled, but if they did it was just a throwaway match on SD or something. By the time Rock started factoring into Invasion DDP was near the end of being made to look like a joke. Yeah, a friend and I discussed that in an article I wrote once. Sadly, they decided making him a joke was better than at least testing the waters to see how could he could get over in WCW. Hell, the guy bought out his contract with Turner and took a paycut so he could get back into the ring, hang with some of his old buds, and just wrestle. What we get instead is DDP being a stalker, which would mean he's sorta cheating on his wife, losing to that wife, and so on. Great mess, WWE. Yeah, the whole angle didnt make much sense either which definitely did not help things. It made for a good surprise when he unmasked but it really wasn't needed. Something like this is better suited for Raven or someone like that. DDP could have just suddenly showed up with no buildup doing a run in or something and would have gotten a big pop and already be over. Imagine if TNA somehow signed John Cena and then made his first angle be stalking Lauren. People would be crapping all over it, but that is essentially the same as what WWE did here with DDP. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 9, 2009 16:13:40 GMT -5
Why would you stalk this: When you've got this at home: Thats what I never understood... What I got from the angle(after Page unmasked of course) was that he wasn't actually interested in Sara. In fact, he even says as much in that first promo. It was all about throwing Undertaker off his game and proving that he had a weakness. That's my biggest dissagreement with the induction of the angle and how it was covered. Page didn't want Sara, he wanted to get into Undertaker's head. That's why I had no problem with him being revealed as the stalker because it made sense to me. It wasn't about her. Yeah but the announcers kept saying he was a creep and a sicko and all that, and Page kept acting like a pervert even after the unmasking. I remember just being confused by the whole thing because he said it wasn't about her when he first showed up but still kept acting like it was while the announcers were saying he was a sicko and needed help and etc. If they would have dropped it right when he unmasked it would have made sense since he had proved his point and gotten into the head of Taker but that wasn't the case. |
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Post by Bocuma on Aug 9, 2009 16:22:01 GMT -5
I was not watching WWF at the time,but couldn't they also have easily had him face the Rock over who was the real "The People's Champion"?or did they do it and i dont know? That's what Page wanted to due, apparently. ...they went with this instead. :/ I am very much in the camp of "DUDE WHY" here. |
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Post by Rorschach on Aug 9, 2009 16:23:33 GMT -5
Heh...in a bizarre twist, if you consider it for a second, had they done as Hmark suggested, they could have had a reverse nWo thing going on.
Stop and think for a second: Suppose they DO get Hall, Nash, Hogan, Sting and Goldberg under contract. Ok...so now, they've already debuted DDP, and we know he's gunning for Taker. On the very next RAW, you have Hall, Nash, and Hogan come through the crowd wearing nWo colors and attack anything and everything that moves, before being chased off by Team WWF (Rock, Austin, HHH, or whatever). Point is, they swear that they're going to destroy the WWF like they did wCw, and an eight man tag is set for the next PPV. It will be Hogan, Hall, Nash and Page vs. Taker, Rock, Austin, and HHH.
If any of you know your history, you know what comes next.
At the PPV, Hogan, Hall and Nash leave Page high and dry to fight valiantly, yet still get his ass kicked by the WWF. Halfway through the farce of a match, the nWo comes out....but instead of helping Page, they in turn hit their finishers on him as Nash grabs a mic and declares "This...this ain't no InVasion, baby! This is a goddamn HOMECOMING!" and embraces HHH. Team WWF celebrates until the lights suddenly go out.......
....and when they come back up, Team WWF is looking at Sting, Goldberg, and Ric Flair standing across the ring, protecting the downed Page. Suddenly, the TitanTron springs to life and none other than Eric Bischoff is on the screen.
"Vince...you wanted an InVasion? Well now....punk....you've got a WAR!"
Commence EPIC brawl as the PPV goes off the air.
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