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Post by Long Live the Stream on Aug 11, 2009 16:23:43 GMT -5
Let's face facts, if you mess up in the ring against a friend and you have some buddies near the top or a good relationship with Vince, you're fine. But if you mess up in the ring a lot, you're generally considered to be a douche bag, and guys at the top don't like you, you won't last long.
I'm not trying to make this a political thing but if you have repeated botches, if most of the guys think you're a douche, they don't have much of a reason to keep quiet about it.
In those guys' defense, there isn't much evidence to the contrary that Mr. Kennedy, err, Anderson, is in fact a douche bag.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 16:25:44 GMT -5
Let's face facts, if you mess up in the ring against a friend and you have some buddies near the top or a good relationship with Vince, you're fine. But if you mess up in the ring a lot, you're generally considered to be a douche bag, and guys at the top don't like you, you won't last long. I'm not trying to make this a political thing but if you have repeated botches, if most of the guys think you're a douche, they don't have much of a reason to keep quiet about it. In those guys' defense, there isn't much evidence to the contrary that Mr. Kennedy, err, Anderson, is in fact a douche bag. If we wanna be honest, there's far more evidence of Orton being a douche than Kennedy being one.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 11, 2009 16:26:18 GMT -5
It's good he still has stout fans and defenders.
But really, when Kennedy screws up again...and given his history, he WILL screw up again...the list of people he blames for it will simply get bigger and bigger.
No smoke without fire.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 16:28:19 GMT -5
It's good he still has stout fans and defenders. But really, when Kennedy screws up again...and given his history, he WILL screw up again...the list of people he blames for it will simply get bigger and bigger. No smoke without fire. I am not a fan or defender. I never liked him, he bored me in the ring. I just think Orton comes off like a whiner here. Both guys do.
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Post by Long Live the Stream on Aug 11, 2009 16:34:48 GMT -5
Let's face facts, if you mess up in the ring against a friend and you have some buddies near the top or a good relationship with Vince, you're fine. But if you mess up in the ring a lot, you're generally considered to be a douche bag, and guys at the top don't like you, you won't last long. I'm not trying to make this a political thing but if you have repeated botches, if most of the guys think you're a douche, they don't have much of a reason to keep quiet about it. In those guys' defense, there isn't much evidence to the contrary that Mr. Kennedy, err, Anderson, is in fact a douche bag. If we wanna be honest, there's far more evidence of Orton being a douche than Kennedy being one. I'm not saying Randy Orton is this real swell guy that is totally right about Kennedy. I'm saying that Kennedy is gone because he didn't have great relationships with guys that mattered so when he screwed up, he didn't have anybody to save him. Orton, on the other hand, when he was at his douchiest, had friends in high places and wasn't considered unsafe in the ring.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 16:38:57 GMT -5
If we wanna be honest, there's far more evidence of Orton being a douche than Kennedy being one. I'm not saying Randy Orton is this real swell guy that is totally right about Kennedy. I'm saying that Kennedy is gone because he didn't have great relationships with guys that mattered so when he screwed up, he didn't have anybody to save him. Orton, on the other hand, when he was at his douchiest, had friends in high places and wasn't considered unsafe in the ring. I still fully believe if Orton hadn't been a "chosen one" by the management of the WWE to be a future star he would have been fired years ago.
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Post by SenorCrest on Aug 11, 2009 16:40:47 GMT -5
Why not send him to SD! and make him a commentator? him + JR? anything like that? maybe to ECW?
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Post by sloride on Aug 11, 2009 16:50:48 GMT -5
RVD was just busting guys open, Kennedy was quite clumsy and wrestlers must have felt they were at serious risk. Look if you've got a whole roster of main eventers pissed off at you, and still make no effort to improve, then you've got problems. RVD came about an inch from killing Triple H in the elimination chamber...l The EC botch was nuts in that it is no exageration that it could have killed him. He gave an interview where he said that he wanted to go home after they gave him initial treatment at the hospital to which they said 'you go home and you will die.' But its odd that RVD's botches never warranted the mass main eventer collobration into addressing their concerns to management like Kennedy's botches did.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Aug 11, 2009 16:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by don on Aug 11, 2009 16:58:57 GMT -5
If he was as awful as he's being portrayed as being they would have pulled him out of the ring no matter how charismatic he is... ....which they did, hence the discussion that we're having right now. (not trying to sound like a smartass) But I think people forget that Kennedy was going to begin a program with Orton after Batista was injured. It's not like he was held down. In fact, the next week, Triple H's return was hotshotted as he was put into Kennedy's spot of feuding with Orton.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 17:01:43 GMT -5
If he was as awful as he's being portrayed as being they would have pulled him out of the ring no matter how charismatic he is... ....which they did, hence the discussion that we're having right now. (not trying to sound like a smartass) But I think people forget that Kennedy was going to begin a program with Orton after Batista was injured. It's not like he was held down. In fact, the next week, Triple H's return was hotshotted as he was put into Kennedy's spot of feuding with Orton. If he was as bad or as dangerous as he's being portrayed he wouldn't have been given these opportunities of today. He'd have been pulled out of the ring years ago, he'd have never gotten past that Taker feud. Something just doesn't add up. I'm not even really a fan of the guy but a lot of these just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 17:07:50 GMT -5
If he was as awful as he's being portrayed as being they would have pulled him out of the ring no matter how charismatic he is... ....which they did, hence the discussion that we're having right now. (not trying to sound like a smartass) But I think people forget that Kennedy was going to begin a program with Orton after Batista was injured. It's not like he was held down. In fact, the next week, Triple H's return was hotshotted as he was put into Kennedy's spot of feuding with Orton. Thats the thing though. If Kennedy was so unliked and dangerous in the ring, why would WWE put him in a position where he would be working in the ring with one of their biggest assets in Orton? If he was on such thin ice, why not put him on ECW, or have him in a program with some midcarder guy.
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 11, 2009 17:13:22 GMT -5
....which they did, hence the discussion that we're having right now. (not trying to sound like a smartass) But I think people forget that Kennedy was going to begin a program with Orton after Batista was injured. It's not like he was held down. In fact, the next week, Triple H's return was hotshotted as he was put into Kennedy's spot of feuding with Orton. If he was as bad or as dangerous as he's being portrayed he wouldn't have been given these opportunities of today. He'd have been pulled out of the ring years ago, he'd have never gotten past that Taker feud. Something just doesn't add up. I'm not even really a fan of the guy but a lot of these just doesn't make sense. I think they were hoping he would improve. A bit of a stiff wrestler as soon as you start with WWE? Okay, you can learn from your mistakes. Still doing the exact same thing years later, though?
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 17:15:32 GMT -5
But why years later was he still being positioned to be at the top of the card if he was supposedly this bad?
Logically speaking it doesn't make sense or add up what so ever. If all these guys hated working with him and he was a horrible wrestler wouldn't he have been put into the midcard and left there to see if he would get better and not put in the ring with the top guys?
It really doesn't make any sense.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Aug 11, 2009 17:19:49 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks the main eventers all sound like wimps?
I remember thinking the same thing back when they were all whining about RVD working too stiff. The guy was trained that way. He would be hit twice as hard by the Sheik if his forearms and kicks were too soft. That used to be the way things were done.
Now granted, we don't need wrestlers that are going around injuring the other guys by screwing up moves, but slip-ups are going to happen. I'm not saying that Kennedy wasn't a sloppy worker, but the evidence that he was sounds pretty lackluster. I mean, his biggest screw up was the backdrop on Orton, and it didn't even look like it hurt that bad. For comparison purposes, I present to you: YOUTUBE
The Kennedy/Orton backdrop:
Dr. Death backdrop's Kenta Kobashi 3 times
And just for a little more controversy. How about one of WWE's most experience wrestlers, William Regal. Here we can see Mr. Regal dropping...RANDY ORTON on right on his head. Just a little over a year ago
Watch at 8:10
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Post by don on Aug 11, 2009 17:22:27 GMT -5
But why years later was he still being positioned to be at the top of the card if he was supposedly this bad? Logically speaking it doesn't make sense or add up what so ever. If all these guys hated working with him and he was a horrible wrestler wouldn't he have been put into the midcard and left there to see if he would get better and not put in the ring with the top guys? It really doesn't make any sense. *conspiracy theory* Maybe after the whole "ratting out Hardcore Holly" thing, he was on thin ice and people were looking for a reason, ANY reason to get rid of him. I mean, Hardcore Holly had a lot of friends and respect in the WWE lockerroom after being there for about 15 years. Maybe this was his receipt from Holly's friends? It is far fetched and out there, but I think it is a possibility.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 11, 2009 17:25:29 GMT -5
Meh, both Holly and Kennedy got what they deserved. Holly for being a bully. Kennedy for a few botches too many.
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 11, 2009 17:28:28 GMT -5
Man...I forgot how LETHAL Dr. Death's Backdrop Driver was. Beastly.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Aug 11, 2009 17:29:30 GMT -5
Jesus..i never realized how close that suplex was to killing Orton, and the sick RKO that Orton put in to get a little back @ Kennedy. There was def a little something extra on that RKO
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Post by CrazySting on Aug 11, 2009 17:36:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks the main eventers all sound like wimps? Yeah, who doesn't want to take a chance with their health and body by trusting it with someone who has a reputation for clumsiness and botching moves ? Cowards.
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