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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 18:08:29 GMT -5
Really? Orton is great in that match, and his catch of HBK, in particular, is very professional and well done. I've also never seen an Orton match where is opponent got visibly pissed off at him. I've seen that a few times with Kennedy. I'm not saying Orton screws up on purpose or intentionally f***s with guys, I think that is far worse and I've seen examples of that. I think he's an average worker who has timing issues. Some guys will always have those it's just a natural thing and it just doesn't seem to come naturally to him. He still botches things pretty repeatedly for as long as he's been working in the WWE style. It's fine to like a worker who has limitations I was always a fan of RVD I know he has limitations as a worker.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Aug 11, 2009 18:09:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry but to whoever was shrugging off the dangerousness of messing up a body drop, didn't Misawa die from a botched back body drop? To the best of my knowledge, Misawa died from a routine back body drop. Of course, in Japan a routine back body drop is about 10x more violent than what Orton took from Kennedy.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 18:10:27 GMT -5
Orton isn't a good worker...? lol He's not a good worker, unless the standard for good worker has been drastically lowered over the years. If this was the attitude era Randy Orton would be in Val Venis' spot...
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Post by diegorivera on Aug 11, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
Orton is as good as Anderson, if not a little better. If Orton would've been in Val's spot during the Attitude Era, then Anderson would have been in TAKA Michinoku's.
On the Strong Style/Safe Style comparison, one reason the WWE guys don't generally work that stiff, aside from most not being well versed enough in the stiff Japanese styles to do them without killing one-another, is that they work more dates. Japanese guys get more time off, thus more time to recuperate from being dropped on their heads and necks like that. There would likely be more tragedies like Misawa's death if the Japanese boys had to work the same schedule as the WWE guys.
The only reason Ken is getting a pass from so many is because it's Orton doing the complaining. If someone like Jericho made the complaints, this board would be all over Anderson's ass like stink on a turd. On that note, at a house show, Jericho did a back suplex safely and shouted, "That's how it's done Kennedy!" That's one more speaking out against this guy, and it's an IWC darling.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 11, 2009 18:57:57 GMT -5
Orton is as good as Anderson, if not a little better. If Orton would've been in Val's spot during the Attitude Era, then Anderson would have been in TAKA Michinoku's. So.... Anderson would've tried to take part in the forced removal of Orton's, and I quote, "pee-pee"?
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Post by hajimenoippo on Aug 11, 2009 19:07:38 GMT -5
awesome pretty much seems more likely
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Post by andrewgilkison on Aug 11, 2009 19:11:21 GMT -5
Orton isn't a good worker...? lol He's not a good worker, unless the standard for good worker has been drastically lowered over the years. If this was the attitude era Randy Orton would be in Val Venis' spot... Orton had a match against Ted Dibiase a few weeks back that was quite good, so Orton is far from poor in the ring. I've never seen Kennedy have a match that good against guys like Shawn Michaels, much less a less experienced wrestler like Ted.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Aug 11, 2009 19:14:27 GMT -5
Orton is as good as Anderson, if not a little better. If Orton would've been in Val's spot during the Attitude Era, then Anderson would have been in TAKA Michinoku's. On the Strong Style/Safe Style comparison, one reason the WWE guys don't generally work that stiff, aside from most not being well versed enough in the stiff Japanese styles to do them without killing one-another, is that they work more dates. Japanese guys get more time off, thus more time to recuperate from being dropped on their heads and necks like that. There would likely be more tragedies like Misawa's death if the Japanese boys had to work the same schedule as the WWE guys. The only reason Ken is getting a pass from so many is because it's Orton doing the complaining. If someone like Jericho made the complaints, this board would be all over Anderson's ass like stink on a turd. On that note, at a house show, Jericho did a back suplex safely and shouted, "That's how it's done Kennedy!" That's one more speaking out against this guy, and it's an IWC darling. GENERALIZATIONS AHOY! Nothing new for this board though, both sides of these sorts of issues tend to pull these out to prove, well, I am not sure. Since when is Kennedy ever supported by uber IWC types or smarks? When he got released, most of this board let out a collective raspberry in his direction. I actually like Orton A LOT more than I ever liked Kennedy. Used to hate him, but ever since his Foley feud I have been entertained by his work. Jericho is in a much better position to be complaining than Orton. Bad example. Orton is pretty fragile and botches consistently. Jericho is tough and rarely botches. Like I said before, pot kettle black. You cant drop a guy flat on his face one night and then complain about some other guy dropping you on your neck the next. In addition, I still think Kennedy is at fault here. MY question is why was WWE management so stupid as to continually push and place a known hazard in the ring with some of its most valuable main eventers? Cos the guy has charisma? How is that charisma going to benefit the company if he injures Cena and Orton or shortens their careers? What I am saying is, I blame WWE management first for being irresponsible, Kennedy second for being dangerous to work with. As for Orton, he is being a whiner and certainly a bit of a hypocrite.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Aug 11, 2009 19:16:38 GMT -5
Oh joy, here comes the whole Japanese wrestling debate. I only brought it up because Orton is acting as though this Suplex was a 15 on the 1-10 scale and well it's not. a lot of those guys have bad necks and backs plus the no selling isirritating
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Aug 11, 2009 19:17:07 GMT -5
Wow, Kennedy looked f'n drunk in that match. He didn't do one thing correctly it seemed. And lol @ HBK taking a real swing at him. He really beat the shit out of HBK.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 11, 2009 20:06:30 GMT -5
Isn't it kinda obvious this wasn't about the Back Suplex and more about the fact that nobody liked Kennedy?
Holly wants to kill him, he's a snitch, he stiffs people and then complains when they stiff him, he screws up his pushes, he takes drugs, he lies about taking drugs, he was able to piss off at least 4 main-eventers, and he just seems like the abrasive type.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 11, 2009 20:10:01 GMT -5
Isn't it kinda obvious this wasn't about the Back Suplex and more about the fact that nobody liked Kennedy? Holly wants to kill him, he's a snitch, he stiffs people and then complains when they stiff him, he screws up his pushes, he takes drugs, he lies about taking drugs, he was able to piss off at least 4 main-eventers, and he just seems like the abrasive type. Stone Cold apparently liked him His mom likes him The Dalai Lama has nothing but good things to say about him...
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