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Post by Miz-Wannabe on Sept 14, 2009 18:31:01 GMT -5
This happens on September the 11th.
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Post by Miz-Wannabe on Sept 14, 2009 18:35:58 GMT -5
So he's got all these drugs and the only thing they have to prove is he was trafficking to put him in jail?
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Sept 14, 2009 18:42:54 GMT -5
I was actually gona come post this... but you beat me to it... however can't believe it's been no sold.
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Post by Soultastic on Sept 14, 2009 18:46:51 GMT -5
I was actually gona come post this... but you beat me to it... however can't believe it's been no sold. That's because it was posted way earlier.
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 14, 2009 18:55:32 GMT -5
Hardy is surrounded by enablers.
His girlfriend has been with him for years, and seemingly puts up with it. His friends are all making excuses. Helms, in particular, is insisting no-one should ask him why he relapsed. And he has the type of fans who will cheer when he brags about not going to rehab, despite probably needing to.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Sept 14, 2009 18:57:46 GMT -5
I was actually gona come post this... but you beat me to it... however can't believe it's been no sold. That's because it was posted way earlier. I figured it had been,b tu wasn't tredging trhough 27 pages looking
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 19:03:15 GMT -5
Hardy is surrounded by enablers. His girlfriend has been with him for years, and seemingly puts up with it. His friends are all making excuses. Helms, in particular, is insisting no-one should ask him why he relapsed. And he has the type of fans who will cheer when he brags about not going to rehab, despite probably needing to. You forgot about the WWE. They, like many professional organizations, have no spine. Forget an iffy three count, how about strike 1 = Regardless of what you were doing, your ass goes to rehab until it's been shown you're serious about your job. strike 2 = you have no job, now and forever. It would be bad business, however, as you would be forced to see how synonymous drug use can be with wrestling. The roster would be completely depleted in no time.
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Post by Soultastic on Sept 14, 2009 19:06:25 GMT -5
That's because it was posted way earlier. I figured it had been,b tu wasn't tredging trhough 27 pages looking Can't blame you
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 14, 2009 19:08:57 GMT -5
The strike thing is difficult because a lot of guys fail for steroids. And you can't go to rehab for steroids.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Sept 14, 2009 19:10:04 GMT -5
Hardy is surrounded by enablers. His girlfriend has been with him for years, and seemingly puts up with it. His friends are all making excuses. Helms, in particular, is insisting no-one should ask him why he relapsed. And he has the type of fans who will cheer when he brags about not going to rehab, despite probably needing to. While I agree that his friends and family need to have a tough intervention with him if he's ever going to stay clean, I don't think that's what Helms meant at all.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 14, 2009 19:10:32 GMT -5
Because, you know, Alcohol is legal and the pills Hardy was caught with aren't? That was his point. No, his point was to (His view point) out the hypocrisy of regular consumer drugs. Anyhoo, I do think that Hardy himself did not take the steroids, but merely selled them. Things like hallucinogenics seem more up his street.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 14, 2009 19:13:57 GMT -5
Because, you know, Alcohol is legal and the pills Hardy was caught with aren't? Yes, hence my point. Both are drugs. If people cared as much about drugs as they said they would they would be as horrified with his alcohol abuse (one that got him kicked off a plane a year ago).
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Post by Widow's Peak on Sept 14, 2009 19:16:55 GMT -5
No, his point was to (His view point) out the hypocrisy of regular consumer drugs. Anyhoo, I do think that Hardy himself did not take the steroids, but merely selled them. Things like hallucinogenics seem more up his street. Unless evidence comes out to the contrary, I don't see why he'd be selling them. Just about anyone he'd know who would want them would have channels to get them themselves and he wouldn't exactly be doing it because he is desperate for money. If it does turn out to be true, well it would just be weird.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 19:18:54 GMT -5
The strike thing is difficult because a lot of guys fail for steroids. And you can't go to rehab for steroids. You can go snork yourself though, providing you fail enough. It's dumb, the industry allows, if not encorages a bunch of shenanigans yet must penalize for them. I don't hate people for using drugs, but I do hate the system that governs them. You want a drug free work environment? Dig your heels in, make it happen. Don't have a variable system that gives them every available oppurtunity and then pretend to have integrity. It is quite a tall order. Wrestling would have to be completely restructured from the ground up. They'd honestly be best served to have no policy and let these guys get as big and high as they may.
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Post by Gopher Mod on Sept 14, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
I figured it had been,b tu wasn't tredging trhough 27 pages looking Can't blame you Yeah, that song was first played on the Smart Wrestling Fan Wrestling Review Show (aka SWF), Episode #219 on Sept. 1st. That was 10 days before everything started to break down for Jeff. Also, as the OP of the video here, I can't blame you myself; it's kind of buried by now.
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 14, 2009 23:04:34 GMT -5
I will say that the "always do what's best for business" routine has got to have limits. People have to start putting principal over power. Just because something is beneficial to one thing, doesn't mean that one thing is beneficial to the big picture. Just because something is beneficial to an agenda, doesn't mean the agenda is beneficial to reality, and just because something might be beneficial to business doesn't mean that business practice is beneficial to life. Sometimes what is detrimental to the thing is beneficial to the big picture, what is detrimental to the agenda is beneficial to reality, and what is wrong for the situation is what is right for life. Sometimes what's bad for business is good for life.
Jeff Hardy WILL DIE prematurely unless somebody sacrafices big in order to save him, either people around Jeff, or Jeff himself. Whether it be people in the company losing lots of money, people risking their friendship with Jeff in order to help, people leaving the company, or people within the company not making certain decisions based off of risks that should be considered not worth it.
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 15, 2009 1:26:35 GMT -5
I wonder what the "F*** You Phil Brooks" guy has to say about all of this.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 15, 2009 3:03:34 GMT -5
Hardy is surrounded by enablers. His girlfriend has been with him for years, and seemingly puts up with it. His friends are all making excuses. Helms, in particular, is insisting no-one should ask him why he relapsed. And he has the type of fans who will cheer when he brags about not going to rehab, despite probably needing to. You forgot about the WWE. They, like many professional organizations, have no spine. Forget an iffy three count, how about strike 1 = Regardless of what you were doing, your ass goes to rehab until it's been shown you're serious about your job. strike 2 = you have no job, now and forever. It would be bad business, however, as you would be forced to see how synonymous drug use can be with wrestling. The roster would be completely depleted in no time. I'd ask Regal if he thinks WWE has no spine. He'd probably be dead if it wasn't for them.
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Post by segaz on Sept 15, 2009 6:15:32 GMT -5
My thoughts: Jeff Hardy was given a golden ticket by WWE, which propelled him into superstardom, and because of that he had everything he could need. However, he walks away from the wrestling business that gave him everything he has and what does he do? He spits in their face by disgracing their reputation with his corrupt and disgusting actions. Jeff may own up and take responsibility for his actions, and then Jeff would at least be mature enough to know that what he did was wrong, even if it didn't stop him. Drugs are for the weak minded and it's a shame that Jeff is that weak. I would have much rather Jeff hadn't done any of those high risk spots and had led a healthy life, but I guess a lot of it makes sense now. How did he cope with putting his body on the line everynight? He took drugs to numb his body and mind. Some may say that that is meant to be respected as he's putting his body on the line, however I'm gonna' say that that is a reason not to respect Jeff Hardy. WWE is a product garnered at children nowerdays, and Jeff is fully aware of that. He is also fully aware that the children look up to him and respect him, idolise him. How does he repay all the loyal impressionable fans? By teaching them that it's cool to do drugs.. Now, yes I'm sure a lot of wrestlers take drugs, Hell, a lot of people do, but a lot of people are smart enough to keep it out of the public eye, to be ashamed of it perhaps, but oh no, not Jeff Hardy. He's cool right? He marches to the beat of his own drum right? Wrong. He only marches to that beat because he's so intoxicated that he can't hear the beat he's suposed to march to, the one that teaches decent behaviour and morals. Jeff Hardy deserves everything he gets from this. If is tarnishes his reputation, good. If it means he'll never wrestle in WWE again, great. If it means he goes to prison, even better. I'm sick to death of celebrities getting away with possession of drugs when it's made perfectly obvious in the press that they're doing it. Jeff Hardy deserves to be put away for his actions, and at least Jeff Hardy will then, finally set a good example, even if it isn't of his own free will. People need to learn that drugs are bad, not acceptable and if you do them then you will *censored* your life up. I can think of a dozen 'great' people who have ruined their life because of drugs, and if people don't start to realise what drugs do and what the consequence will be, then there will still be a long line of people, celebrities or not who will pay the price for messing with them. Drugs are illegal for a reason and anyone who defends a criminal is just as bad as the criminal themselves. Ok mr Right and Wrong, I suppose Jeff turning into a junkie and sleeping on streets would be better, right? And Jeff finally losing his life to drugs, maybe as an overdose would be better, it'd be the ultimate lesson to teach the kids right? "Don't do drugs, or you'll end up dead like Jeff Harvey"
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Post by Snitsky on Sept 15, 2009 9:13:35 GMT -5
Hardy is surrounded by enablers. His girlfriend has been with him for years, and seemingly puts up with it. His friends are all making excuses. Helms, in particular, is insisting no-one should ask him why he relapsed. And he has the type of fans who will cheer when he brags about not going to rehab, despite probably needing to. I agree with this- the sad part is his fans and most other fans dont want to see that these people are human and they make mistakes like take drugs, they cheat on their partners they are drunks..this is all a part of the lifestyle- I personally dont think he was selling anything i think it was all his- he probably thought that now he is no longer in WWE he can take as much as he likes without having to do any urine tests- People fail to realise this dude has a problem, he is a functioning addict and has been for a very long time and has refused to get any kind of help for it let alone acknowledge it- I wouldnt be surprised if you go to the home of 90% of professional wrestlers you may find the same stash...i am sure they are all on notice and are getting rid of everything WWE turn IMO a blind eye to alot of things..and this is one of them..putting the belt on a known addict because he has a large fan base and sells alot of merch..but now the faeces has hit the fan you turn your back and cancel his DVD...hmmm This is a wake up call for him and he really needs to sort his life out maybe a stint in prison will do this- -but why should he have to change when everyone accepts him and accepts his behavior? What i want to know is who snitched to the police to get his house raided-maybe one of his close friends felt they had to do this to get him to change- I have always preferred Jeff over his brother- he is a very talented guy and its such a shame that he is throwing his life away-I really hope he gets help sorry for the rambling thoughts
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