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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Sept 27, 2009 0:44:04 GMT -5
Wait...And what has DX been doing the last few months? I mean they do not even hold any titles unlike some people...
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Post by carter 15 on Sept 27, 2009 3:06:47 GMT -5
Ditch himself?
TV would suck
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 27, 2009 3:23:19 GMT -5
yeah the ones mentioned ARE being pushed pretty hard, so it's all good I think (outside of the RAW main event picture of course)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 3:40:39 GMT -5
Ditch himself? TV would suck He's not saying to get rid of them, but to make them stop crowding around the main event scene constantly. Jericho's hardly the picture of that - he's basically a midcarder right now.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 27, 2009 4:04:37 GMT -5
Ditch himself? TV would suck He's not saying to get rid of them, but to make them stop crowding around the main event scene constantly. Jericho's hardly the picture of that - he's basically a midcarder right now. Yup. He's a main eventer and a veteran in the midcard scene, who is putting over talent right now. The SAME thing Triple H and Shawn Michaels should have been doing over 2 years ago. I like how some people think Hunter's "track record" should be slate clean now because Legacy are being made to look like a million bucks. Yes, it's awesome, but it's a little too late, all of the anguishing cries of the midcard is overbearing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 4:08:20 GMT -5
He's not saying to get rid of them, but to make them stop crowding around the main event scene constantly. Jericho's hardly the picture of that - he's basically a midcarder right now. Yup. He's a main eventer and a veteran in the midcard scene, who is putting over talent right now. The SAME thing Triple H and Shawn Michaels should have been doing over 2 years ago. I like how some people think Hunter's "track record" should be slate clean now because Legacy are being made to look like a million bucks. Yes, it's awesome, but it's a little too late, all of the anguishing screams of the midcard is overbearing. Reminded of the story Orton told in an interview last year where he said he and the rest of the Raw locker room were thrilled when Trips got traded to SmackDown. That should say a lot, really.
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Post by willywonka666 on Sept 27, 2009 11:40:46 GMT -5
It will be like the early 90's again-it was a major down period despite the rise of Shawn Michaels, and it did not hit big again til Austin.
And had Austin not spoken up and played the game, they'd still be in the shitter.
As a longtime fan, my tow fave eras were Rock'n'Wrestling & Attitude. I was sucked in with the general public, but NOT because it was hip, I actually enjoyed it.
There's not a new male superstar that holds my interest a bit. They need an Austin or Hogan, and I don't see one.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Sept 27, 2009 11:43:42 GMT -5
He's not saying to get rid of them, but to make them stop crowding around the main event scene constantly. Jericho's hardly the picture of that - he's basically a midcarder right now. Yup. He's a main eventer and a veteran in the midcard scene, who is putting over talent right now. The SAME thing Triple H and Shawn Michaels should have been doing over 2 years ago. Except Shawn hasn't held a title in like what, five years or so?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 27, 2009 11:46:13 GMT -5
I like how in the actual interview he never mentions them by name in that context. That why even though the interview is legit, it turns into NEWZ with someone adding their own lil jab and guys like Triple H. Good catch. Anyway, Mr. Kennedy before has talked about the two mountains in WWE. On one mountain, you have Undertaker throwing ropes down to help everyone get to the top. On the other mountain, you have people throwing boulders, saying get off my mountain. It would be safe to say that Jericho is also at the top of Taker's mountain, throwing ropes down (as was evident when he put over JTG a few weeks ago).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:55:47 GMT -5
The Sun is actually reliable for wrestling news since they actually interview wrestlers and employ Paul Heyman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 12:08:49 GMT -5
I agree with Jericho here. I'm personally sick of seeing the same people in the same matches, over and over again. It's just boring.
Right now, I think that John Cena, CM Punk and Christian should be the top stars of their respective brands. Then the older talent should be putting over the new crop of talent such as both members of Legacy, John Morrison, Jack Swagger, The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and a few others. Then it's time to bring in some new talent behind that, cutting some of the dead weight in the process too.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Sept 27, 2009 12:33:35 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: Jericho and Chavo have switched places on the card. Chavo will now be 1/2 of the Undisputed Tag Champs with Big Show, while Jericho will be jobbing to Hornswoggle every week. I don't know why, but I love the visual of Jericho hitting a running Enzuigiri on Hornswoggle And Jericho would still make it one of the more entertaining things on WWE TV
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 27, 2009 12:36:38 GMT -5
While I've always thought there was a whole lot of truth to this, this doesn't mean any of the following two scenerio's that people think they mean: #1, that any of the young guys should be "pushed". Only the ones that are truely ready should be given the chance to run. #2, that all of the older established guys should be mid-carders or "de-pushed". The main event guys of now are always going to be as good as they are, you can use them to elevate younger talent, but they have to be high on the "card" or the shceme of things to maintain their credibility in building young talent. HHH and Undertaker are going to win more hell in a cell matches than lose, and they are going to have to main event more ppv's than not for the time being. Even if The Morrison's and the Swaggers and the MVP's are main eventers, a match like HHH vs Undertaker would still have to be main event as well or atleast a featured match.
You can't just have a "switch", it won't be believable. You can't just have Cody Rhodes go out there and beat HHH cleanly. You have to do it in steps.
If we're talking about Cody/Ted/Morrison/MVP and we're talking about HHH/HBK/Undertaker, then you have two different levels here. You have to start out with Cody beating HHH with lots of cheating, then Undertaker beats HHH in a grueling match, then Cody BARELY loses to Undertaker cleanly, Then Cody beats HHH cleanly, but in a fluke like fashion, Then HBK beats Cody, but HBK had to cheat to win, and then it could be believable for Cody to beat Undertaker cleanly.
I'm just using these guys as examples, but you can substitute with "mid-carder" and "main-eventer".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 12:48:25 GMT -5
Yup. He's a main eventer and a veteran in the midcard scene, who is putting over talent right now. The SAME thing Triple H and Shawn Michaels should have been doing over 2 years ago. Except Shawn hasn't held a title in like what, five years or so? Michaels has done a lot in the way of jumping down to the midcard to help guys lower on the card - Kennedy, Miz & Morrison, at the time their feud started Jericho, so he's not so much an example himself. The only real issue with Michaels is the way every time he returns from an injury or somesuch he seems to immediately jump into the role of number one contender for a few months - didn't happen this time, but happened with Triple H (probably more than once), Randy Orton, Jericho, and probably others I'm forgetting. Plus there's the quasi-example of Shawn jumping straight into the Mania main event when Trips got injured, though that one's more justifiable since I remember reading originally that they were going to do Cena / Orton / Edge after Triple H went down, and the way the Rumble and the storyline itself came out Michaels made way more sense than that would have.
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Post by AriadosMan on Sept 27, 2009 16:44:05 GMT -5
HBK is a terrible example of an old guy who never puts anybody over. He's done more jobbing than Jericho at this point and deserves a spot as long as he can still go okay (he still can).
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Post by mondaymorningchamp on Sept 27, 2009 16:58:15 GMT -5
The Sun is actually reliable for wrestling news since they actually interview wrestlers and employ Paul Heyman. Well, they don't employ Heyman anymore, but I do think the Sun is generally reliable.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Sept 27, 2009 17:20:45 GMT -5
This won't end well, but props to Jericho for speaking out.
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Post by Tombi on Sept 27, 2009 17:38:59 GMT -5
This won't end well, but props to Jericho for speaking out. Both Jericho and The Miz said something similar several months ago and nothing happened then. Now all he's done is gone into more detail, so I doubt there will be any reprecutions if there wasn't the last time. To be honest at this point I'm just waiting for a Vince or a Triple H to admit it's an issue that they're trying to fix. I imagine they will get some fresh main events before it gets to that, but if not I wouldn't count it out. At this point it's not like it's even worth hiding.
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Post by segaz on Sept 27, 2009 18:05:34 GMT -5
It will be like the early 90's again-it was a major down period despite the rise of Shawn Michaels, and it did not hit big again til Austin. And had Austin not spoken up and played the game, they'd still be in the s***ter. As a longtime fan, my tow fave eras were Rock'n'Wrestling & Attitude. I was sucked in with the general public, but NOT because it was hip, I actually enjoyed it. There's not a new male superstar that holds my interest a bit. They need an Austin or Hogan, and I don't see one. Can't forget the Brahma Bull......
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Post by AriadosMan on Sept 27, 2009 18:15:50 GMT -5
It will be like the early 90's again-it was a major down period despite the rise of Shawn Michaels, and it did not hit big again til Austin. And had Austin not spoken up and played the game, they'd still be in the s***ter. As a longtime fan, my tow fave eras were Rock'n'Wrestling & Attitude. I was sucked in with the general public, but NOT because it was hip, I actually enjoyed it. There's not a new male superstar that holds my interest a bit. They need an Austin or Hogan, and I don't see one. Can't forget the Brahma Bull...... It's also important to remember that Austin 3:16 came out of the brief period when WWE was throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what stuck. Lots of people who COULD generate audience interest won't because WWE is so rigid in its scripting dependence now.
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