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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 7, 2009 17:19:38 GMT -5
Certainly not. I know it sounds mean, but he's just Jeff Jarrett. There's nothing remotely legendary about his career as an active wrestler.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 7, 2009 17:28:01 GMT -5
Even though Jeff isn't as important as a guy like Flair, I'm not going to jump on the "LOL JARRETT SUCKS" train that's picking up steam in this thread.
He should get _some_ sort of Send-off, but not as huge as Flair's was. Maybe more just an angle/segment where he completely sells his stake in TNA off to Foley (kayfabe), and Foley and Cornette thank him in the office and wish him the best.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2009 18:34:39 GMT -5
Who'd do it with him though? I thought he was in this mess because someone was doing it with him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2009 18:37:34 GMT -5
Certainly not. I know it sounds mean, but he's just Jeff Jarrett. There's nothing remotely legendary about his career as an active wrestler. 4 Time WCW Champion, 6 Time NWA World Champion. Are you serious? I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one to say it, but what the hell do you have to do to be a legend that being a main eventer and multiple time champion over the span of about a decade isn't cutting it for? Does he have to smash a guitar over a dragon's head?
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Aug 7, 2009 18:50:10 GMT -5
There are only two active guys I can think of right now who would even come close to getting a Flair sendoff -- and they are Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker.
Having said that, Jarrett, does deserve a big send-off from TNA. Not in the "Thanks for the legendary career" sense like Flair had, but more of a "Thanks for having the ambition and guts to start a new promotion that we love" sort of thing. I envision it being similar to Taz' ECW (the original ECW) sendoff where the entire roster stood at the entrance ramp and gave Taz a standing ovation. I could see Jarrett getting pinned one last time -- everyone coming out from the back -- and a huge round of applause.
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 7, 2009 18:53:34 GMT -5
Certainly not. I know it sounds mean, but he's just Jeff Jarrett. There's nothing remotely legendary about his career as an active wrestler. 4 Time WCW Champion, 6 Time NWA World Champion. Are you serious? I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one to say it, but what the hell do you have to do to be a legend that being a main eventer and multiple time champion over the span of about a decade isn't cutting it for? Does he have to smash a guitar over a dragon's head? If you go by the numbers in a vacuum, then you have a point. It sounds a little bit different when you add 4 time WCW champion during the dying years of a failing company and 6 time TNA champion holding the book for an upstart. Being a main eventer by default or because you call the shots does a legend not make.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2009 19:32:43 GMT -5
4 Time WCW Champion, 6 Time NWA World Champion. Are you serious? I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one to say it, but what the hell do you have to do to be a legend that being a main eventer and multiple time champion over the span of about a decade isn't cutting it for? Does he have to smash a guitar over a dragon's head? If you go by the numbers in a vacuum, then you have a point. It sounds a little bit different when you add 4 time WCW champion during the dying years of a failing company and 6 time TNA champion holding the book for an upstart. Being a main eventer by default or because you call the shots does a legend not make. If that's the case, you're gonna have a LOT less legends. Giant Baba, he's out, he booked a lot of his own matches. Hmm, Dusty and Flair had a big financial stake in NWA business and a lot of say in how they were booked, guess they weren't legends.... Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic, yeah, but I just think a lot of people are being just as willing to take things away from the guy without a moment's hesitation. Is he a FLAIR legend? No. Should he just be forgotten? NO.
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 7, 2009 20:19:04 GMT -5
If you go by the numbers in a vacuum, then you have a point. It sounds a little bit different when you add 4 time WCW champion during the dying years of a failing company and 6 time TNA champion holding the book for an upstart. Being a main eventer by default or because you call the shots does a legend not make. If that's the case, you're gonna have a LOT less legends. Giant Baba, he's out, he booked a lot of his own matches. Hmm, Dusty and Flair had a big financial stake in NWA business and a lot of say in how they were booked, guess they weren't legends.... Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic, yeah, but I just think a lot of people are being just as willing to take things away from the guy without a moment's hesitation. Is he a FLAIR legend? No. Should he just be forgotten? NO. The question was should he get the FLAIR retirement. I believe you just answered the question. If he's not a Flair legend, then why should he get the same sendoff as Flair?
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 7, 2009 20:24:02 GMT -5
If that's the case, you're gonna have a LOT less legends. Giant Baba, he's out, he booked a lot of his own matches. Hmm, Dusty and Flair had a big financial stake in NWA business and a lot of say in how they were booked, guess they weren't legends.... Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic, yeah, but I just think a lot of people are being just as willing to take things away from the guy without a moment's hesitation. Is he a FLAIR legend? No. Should he just be forgotten? NO. The question was should he get the FLAIR retirement. I believe you just answered the question. If he's not a Flair legend, then why should he get the same sendoff as Flair? I guess maybe I misunderstood the topic's point, then. I think he should get a sendoff, and it should be a big deal. Given it's TNA, though, they couldn't give him a Flair sendoff even if they wanted to. They aren't nearly important enough, even to their own fans, to make it monumental on the same level.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Aug 7, 2009 21:16:20 GMT -5
Ummm......HELL NO!
He is a glorified midcarder imo and he's not even that good at anything. He should just leave.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Aug 8, 2009 2:07:58 GMT -5
No.
He's not on Flair's level, despite anything that Flair has done to contradict his own retirement.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 8, 2009 23:31:27 GMT -5
If you mean, lose a match, get stripped down to his boxers, burn his clothes in a metal trashcan, then given a suit, then I'm all for it. The problem is, Kane would'nt be able to do it since he is not in TNA, so who would?
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 8, 2009 23:35:16 GMT -5
If you mean, lose a match, get stripped down to his boxers, burn his clothes in a metal trashcan, then given a suit, then I'm all for it. The problem is, Kane would'nt be able to do it since he is not in TNA, so who would? Hmmmm good question. Is there anybody on the TNA roster that would be considered a "monster"?
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Aug 8, 2009 23:55:33 GMT -5
I said yes. Jarrett may not have been a tenth of the wrestler Flair was, but in the constraints of TNA, he IS TNA. I don't see a problem in giving the guy that started the company a proper send off.
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Post by Paco on Aug 9, 2009 0:09:40 GMT -5
I said YES as well but maybe "Flair retirement" is the wrong comparison to make cause the sendoff wouldn't be because of his "legendary" wrestling career. It'd be more like if Vince McMahon decided to retire, a ceremony for making the company what it is today.
If Jarrett leaves TNA and retires from wrestling altogether, then HELL YEAH the man responsible for starting the damn thing deserves a great and respectful sendoff from the TNA crew.
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 9, 2009 1:27:13 GMT -5
On what planet in what universe has Jeff Jarrett come close to the career Flair had? He should get some kind of hooplah, but not on the level of Flair's.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 9, 2009 12:11:02 GMT -5
If you mean, lose a match, get stripped down to his boxers, burn his clothes in a metal trashcan, then given a suit, then I'm all for it. The problem is, Kane would'nt be able to do it since he is not in TNA, so who would? Hmmmm good question. Is there anybody on the TNA roster that would be considered a "monster"? Would Abyss count?
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Aug 9, 2009 12:50:46 GMT -5
Certainly not. I know it sounds mean, but he's just Jeff Jarrett. There's nothing remotely legendary about his career as an active wrestler. 4 Time WCW Champion, 6 Time NWA World Champion. Are you serious? I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one to say it, but what the hell do you have to do to be a legend that being a main eventer and multiple time champion over the span of about a decade isn't cutting it for? Does he have to smash a guitar over a dragon's head? Umm, his WCW title reigns, according to wikipedia, equal 58 days in 2000. Holding the NWA title in 2003, right? That means he had a belt that was technically inferior to the XPW title, right?
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 9, 2009 12:53:28 GMT -5
Hmmmm good question. Is there anybody on the TNA roster that would be considered a "monster"? Would Abyss count? He's kinda like the masked version of Kane. I'LL ALLOW IT!
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Post by dh03grad on Aug 9, 2009 13:58:55 GMT -5
Certainly not. I know it sounds mean, but he's just Jeff Jarrett. There's nothing remotely legendary about his career as an active wrestler. 4 Time WCW Champion, 6 Time NWA World Champion. Are you serious? I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one to say it, but what the hell do you have to do to be a legend that being a main eventer and multiple time champion over the span of about a decade isn't cutting it for? Does he have to smash a guitar over a dragon's head? Are you serious? Jeff Jarrett only became a main eventer in minor promotions. When he was WCW champion in 2000, Russo was in the midst of accelerating its decline into extinction and WCW was the #3 promotion in America. he became NWA champion a good 10 years after the belt had genuine meaning.
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