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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2006 0:54:39 GMT -5
How the hell do you justify inducting someone who:
A) Was over for approximately three years,
B) Stopped being relevant by 1992, and
C) Contributed extremely little overall to the business?
This is like inducting a guy into the baseball HOF who started out slowly, had a couple great seasons, then fall off the map.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 27, 2006 1:03:18 GMT -5
Because wrestling careers generally don't last as long as other sports.
Plus look at some of the people already there. Warrior is above them.
Also, there is still interest in him, or else why did his DVD do rather well. I'm not saying anyone wants to see him back, but obviously people are still nostalgic to his time there.
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Post by BRV on Dec 27, 2006 1:06:29 GMT -5
The way I see it, Warrior was relevant from mid-1988 (just after his first WrestleMania appearance and before his Intercontinental Championship run) until late-1992 (his last run with Macho Man as The Ultimate Maniacs). He was the guy that WWF and Vince McMahon expected to carry the company in the post-Hulkamania years, and he fumbled his opportunity. Ratings and buyrates declined significantly from WrestleMania VI.
His return to the WWF in 1996 and then his WCW run (I'm assuming they'll include this in the nomination process) was one of the worst for a "former legend" in professional wrestling history. Just an absolute mess.
Plus, he's become a PR nightmare over the years since his retirement from the ring. I really can't see him getting in, but from watching "Self Destruction", it seems like Vince McMahon genuinely cared and still does care for Warrior.
But then again, if Pete Rose and William Perry can get in...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2006 1:17:03 GMT -5
I fall back on my " no real criteria needed since it's not a legit HOF" arguement. I don't care if he gets in or not, but arguing someone's merit for induction is irrelevant when there's not really any specific guidelines for inclusion or exclusion.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Dec 27, 2006 1:48:52 GMT -5
This was the match at WrestleMania VI: 1- Look at each other. 2- Push each other down 3- Slam each other 4- Hogan falls down 5- Hogan gets up 6- Greco Roman Match 1 7- Greco Roman Match 2 8- Warrior Wins. 9- Hogan Steals Limelight The End. Don't forget the fifteen minutes of knuckle locks where they both rub their faces in each other's crotch.
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Post by Scott on Dec 27, 2006 2:12:44 GMT -5
He's behind only Hogan and Andre as the most recognizable wrestler before the Attitude Era. He did more to help the company than hurt it.
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Dec 27, 2006 3:24:04 GMT -5
I think he should but WArrior thinks hes too good for wrestling so he won't accept
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Dec 27, 2006 4:08:49 GMT -5
^ Well, he DOES seem to take pride in crapping on anyone who's a fan of his through his wrestling, as opposed to those who are fans of his because of his brilliant debate skills.
Personally, I think the guy should be beyond flattered he still has people who even remember him, let alone people who were big enough fans of his tenure to sit through an hour and a half of him stomping around a college stage screaming about how the worst thing this country ever did was allow non-whites to walk the streets without chains on their wrists so they can hit him up for an autograph after the speech , but there ya go.
His acceptance speech would probably be the same thing he tells those same people; "Grow the Hell up."
Which you know is serious coming from a guy who named himself Warrior.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Dec 27, 2006 9:02:36 GMT -5
Yes. He sucks, he's crazy, and he didn't make much of a lasting impact, but he was over as HELL and is still WIDELY talked about to this day, despite not having a good match since WrestleMania SEVEN.
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Post by skskillz on Dec 27, 2006 9:17:11 GMT -5
How the hell do you justify inducting someone who: A) Was over for approximately three years, B) Stopped being relevant by 1992, and C) Contributed extremely little overall to the business? This is like inducting a guy into the baseball HOF who started out slowly, had a couple great seasons, then fall off the map. Wrestling careers are short to begin with and don't have any statistical criteria. Either you draw money or you don't. Either you are popular or you aren't. Either you leave a mark or you don't. There aren't too many Hogan's or Flair's who stick around for a long time and draw (though Flair's drawing ability outside of his NWA work is debatable). Warrior was relevant from 1988 to 1992....and then he got fired over a money dispute and wasn't seen again until 1996. That's not an example of some guy's star flaming out, it's an example of a guy with extremely terrible people skills who didn't get along with his boss. Sure, his star did fade a bit after 1991, but a long lay-off (Summerslam 1991 to WrestleMania VIII) probably had a lot to do with it. It's hard to keep momentum in the wrestling business when you aren't seen for nearly a year. As for contributing little to the business, in what way? He drew money. That's a contribution. He's one of the most recognizable stars from arguably the most popular era in wrestling history ('80's). That's a contribution. He was the first wrestler to beat Hogan clean during the Hulkamania era (in front of near 70,000 people in a hugely successful WM). That's a contribution. Look, I don't like the guy in real-life either. He's a scumbag. But if we're judging him on his legacy in the business, he's one of the top stars. As for WrestleMania VI, it wasn't supposed to be a Curt Hennig/Bret Hart mat classic. It was what it was. Two superheros facing off in a match with incredible buzz, a white hot crowd, great psychology (from both men), and an unpredictable/historic finish. That match will be remembered for a long, long time. It's not fair or particularly useful to look at stuff from decades ago and use today's standards to judge it.
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Post by manx21 on Dec 27, 2006 9:25:05 GMT -5
yes he should because he was so over
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Post by Jeff Mack on Dec 27, 2006 11:05:42 GMT -5
Only if Kanyon gets to do the introduction. That would definitely be a "Wrestlemania Moment."
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2006 11:08:55 GMT -5
If Verne Gagne, Greg Valentine and Bob Orton can get in, then yes, Warrior should. No knock about the others but I don't hold them in the same esteem as Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant and Gorilla Monsoon Dude...no way do you put Warrior past Gagne's level. Gagne's not as remembered today as Warrior, but he did infinitely more than Warrior ever did in just about ever facet of the business. But why do we all say "He drew money" while also saying "He dropped the ball when they wanted him to be the next Hogan"?
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Dec 27, 2006 11:10:42 GMT -5
If Verne Gagne, Greg Valentine and Bob Orton can get in, then yes, Warrior should. No knock about the others but I don't hold them in the same esteem as Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant and Gorilla Monsoon Dude...no way do you put Warrior past Gagne's level. Gagne's not as remembered today as Warrior, but he did infinitely more than Warrior ever did in just about ever facet of the business. But why do we all say "He drew money" while also saying "He dropped the ball when they wanted him to be the next Hogan"? I dont think anybody dropped the "Hogan ball" as bad as Lex Luger, though. At least when Warrior screwed up, they had Hogan, Savage, Flair, and Undertaker all near the top of the card (In 1992 at least, before Hogan left the following year)
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Post by skskillz on Dec 27, 2006 11:18:51 GMT -5
But why do we all say "He drew money" while also saying "He dropped the ball when they wanted him to be the next Hogan"? No one was going to draw as well as Hogan did. At some point, they were going to have to move on from the Hogan era, and Warrior was the big money guy at the time. He didn't draw as well as they would of liked, and certainly not on Hogan's level, but that doesn't mean he failed miserably. Technically, no one "picked up the ball" until Austin in 1998.
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Post by seanwalsh on Dec 27, 2006 12:19:21 GMT -5
As crazy as he's gotten and has apparently always been, he sure does belong there.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Dec 27, 2006 12:31:50 GMT -5
Warrior was a good draw. Hogan was like Elvis and The Beatles combined, his peak level of popularity won't EVER be beaten by anyone. But Warrior in his own right was a great draw, it only looks bad next to Hogan's but if we're going to go around comparing everyone to Hogan then everyone looks like a worse draw.
In terms of mainstream recognition in his day Warrior was the second biggest household name in the entire industry, more so than Flair, Piper, Savage and everyone else. He was the big hero of the time and he probably got an awful lot of people involved in wrestling. His style of wrestling would hardly satisfy the purists but to even have purists in a choreographed industry is so stupid you might as well dismiss their opinions without hesitation.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 27, 2006 12:40:21 GMT -5
I vote no.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Dec 27, 2006 12:44:59 GMT -5
I say yes just because I'm dying to see how his acceptance speech would work out.
Would it go 20+ minutes? Damn right it would.
Would he rant about destrucity? Does Ariel have big boobs?
Would he get on his soapbox about queers? I'd say there's a strong possibility.
Would it be the biggest trainwreck ever and the instant winner of Gooker 2007/8/9/whenever it happens? By God, YES!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 27, 2006 13:58:35 GMT -5
I agree his acceptance speech would be entertaining.
Who the hell would want to introduce him?
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