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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Sept 16, 2009 9:10:34 GMT -5
How does RVD hit a glass ceiling in WWE? He was a World Champion and a Grand Slam Champion.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Sept 16, 2009 10:54:44 GMT -5
theyre only considered ecw guys when heyman or ecw fanboys, especially posthumous ones, want to take credit for everything good that ever happened in the wrestling industry
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 16, 2009 12:03:23 GMT -5
Perry Saturn was, and I always associate him with ECW first, then WCW, then WWE.
Malenko, Eddie and Benoit, nah. Malenko's WCW, ECW then WWE for me. Eddie & Benoit WWE, WCW then ECW.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Sept 16, 2009 20:57:50 GMT -5
No. They were nothing more then low midcarders in ECW. The main focus of ECW was on guys like Taz, RVD, Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu and Douglas. I don't think RVD wrestled in ECW until long after all of the Radicalz had left for WCW.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Sept 16, 2009 20:59:42 GMT -5
Perry Saturn was, and I always associate him with ECW first, then WCW, then WWE. As much as I hate to say it, I would argue that XPW gave Perry Saturn a bigger push than the WWF did. So for me, the order with respect to how well promotions pushed Saturn is as follows: 1) ECW 2) WCW 3) XPW 4) WWF
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 16, 2009 21:08:23 GMT -5
No. They were nothing more then low midcarders in ECW. The main focus of ECW was on guys like Taz, RVD, Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu and Douglas. I don't think RVD wrestled in ECW until long after all of the Radicalz had left for WCW. Saturn was still there when RVD made his debut in January of 1996. They faced each other in several tag matches with RVD/Sabu taking on the Eliminators.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Sept 16, 2009 21:11:21 GMT -5
I don't think RVD wrestled in ECW until long after all of the Radicalz had left for WCW. Saturn was still there when RVD made his debut in January of 1996. They faced each other in several tag matches with RVD/Sabu taking on the Eliminators. I stand corrected. Benoit, Guerrero, and Malenko had already split by the time RVD + Sabu took on the Eliminators, I assume.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 17, 2009 7:47:42 GMT -5
I don't think RVD wrestled in ECW until long after all of the Radicalz had left for WCW. Saturn was still there when RVD made his debut in January of 1996. They faced each other in several tag matches with RVD/Sabu taking on the Eliminators. Wasn't RVD in that match where Kronus for some reason stopped selling anything, and started acting like a tool?
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Post by eDemento2099 on Sept 17, 2009 15:10:55 GMT -5
Saturn was still there when RVD made his debut in January of 1996. They faced each other in several tag matches with RVD/Sabu taking on the Eliminators. Wasn't RVD in that match where Kronus for some reason stopped selling anything, and started acting like a tool? I don't remember any such match, but then again, PPVs not withstanding, I didn't see too much of RVD until 1999.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 17, 2009 15:28:17 GMT -5
Saturn was still there when RVD made his debut in January of 1996. They faced each other in several tag matches with RVD/Sabu taking on the Eliminators. Wasn't RVD in that match where Kronus for some reason stopped selling anything, and started acting like a tool? Could've been, I never really saw any of the ELiminator vs. Sabu/Van Dam matches they had.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 19, 2009 3:54:26 GMT -5
No. None of them did anything major in ECW. Sure, there were some great moments, and their presence (along with Jericho, Mysterio, and some other luchadors) helps give ECW some non-hardcore credibility. Still, ECW wouldn't have changed much at all had they not been there, other than the fact that Sabu wouldn't have broken his neck.
EDIT: Besides Saturn. I was thinking of Benoit, Eddie, and Malenko when I made that post.
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Post by Youngie on Sept 19, 2009 14:14:24 GMT -5
Would the Radicals have been signed by WCW if they hadn't been "spotted" while in ECW? Their ECW tenure did them (and others like Jericho, Mysterio, J. Guerrera) the world of good.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 19, 2009 14:54:26 GMT -5
They might not have been, but it was a good showcase for those individuals before they went up to the next level. ECW was a breeding ground for guys to ply their trade before getting picked up by the Big 2.
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Post by DavidArquette on Sept 19, 2009 15:22:10 GMT -5
I think to the more casual ECW fan, Benoit, Guerrero, etc aren't thought of as ECW guys. I think a lot of people who followed WCW or WWE at the time only saw ECW as violent, hardcore wrestling and didn't know that there was much of a technical side to it.
I remember watching the original One Night Stand with a friend who had heard a lot about ECW and seen a few matches but was surprised to see people like Jericho, Guerrero, and Lance Storm having "regular" matches.
I'd consider guys like Malenko, Benoit and Guerrero a pretty big part of ECW. They helped establish another side to the company, that wasn't all about tables, chairs, and blood.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 19, 2009 16:51:39 GMT -5
Would the Radicals have been signed by WCW if they hadn't been "spotted" while in ECW? Their ECW tenure did them (and others like Jericho, Mysterio, J. Guerrera) the world of good. That's true, but that just means that ECW was a huge part of those guy's early career. It's like how ROH was a big part of say, Brian Kendrick's early career, but he doesn't really matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the company's history.
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Post by Youngie on Sept 19, 2009 16:58:57 GMT -5
That's true, but that just means that ECW was a huge part of those guy's early career. It's like how ROH was a big part of say, Brian Kendrick's early career, but he doesn't really matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the company's history. Yes I'd agree with you. Besides the Radicals being given the chance to express themselves in ECW (for the attention of WCW & WWF) they were not big players there by any means. They just wrestled some great matches.
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Post by simongr81 on Sept 19, 2009 17:01:49 GMT -5
I say yes because Saturn was a huge part of ECW with the Eliminators and while at different times the other three all wrestled in WCW, they were all hired there for what they did in ECW.
FYI here is Eddie in WCW in 1989 giving Terry Funk a helluva match on Eddie's debut!
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