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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 20:14:34 GMT -5
North Carolina upsets #12 Miami 33-24 Isn't Butch Davis at UNC now?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 14, 2009 20:15:41 GMT -5
North Carolina upsets #12 Miami 33-24 Isn't Butch Davis at UNC now? Yes he is.....
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 14, 2009 20:16:52 GMT -5
RichRod=Fail but, we're stuck with him for 3 more years. I hope he either gets a lucky horseshoe or our AD gets some smarts and fires him. Preferably option 2.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 20:19:58 GMT -5
RichRod=Fail but, we're stuck with him for 3 more years. I hope he either gets a lucky horseshoe or our AD gets some smarts and fires him. Preferably option 2. Serves the Michigan fanbase right. They drove Carr into retirement all because his program was in a down year (which believe it or not, does happen in college football), despite you know the fact that he won a National title.Unlike Bo whatshisbeauname. So yeah, you got your savior. Except so far, he aint your Urban Meyer. Or Nick Saban.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Nov 14, 2009 20:32:57 GMT -5
RichRod=Fail but, we're stuck with him for 3 more years. I hope he either gets a lucky horseshoe or our AD gets some smarts and fires him. Preferably option 2. Serves the Michigan fanbase right. They drove Carr into retirement all because his program was in a down year (which believe it or not, does happen in college football), despite you know the fact that he won a National title.Unlike Bo whatshisbeauname. So yeah, you got your savior. Except so far, he aint your Urban Meyer. Or Nick Saban. So does that make Michigan vs: Notre Dame the "We ask for way too much" bowl?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 14, 2009 20:35:34 GMT -5
RichRod=Fail but, we're stuck with him for 3 more years. I hope he either gets a lucky horseshoe or our AD gets some smarts and fires him. Preferably option 2. Serves the Michigan fanbase right. They drove Carr into retirement all because his program was in a down year (which believe it or not, does happen in college football), despite you know the fact that he won a National title.Unlike Bo whatshisbeauname. So yeah, you got your savior. Except so far, he aint your Urban Meyer. Or Nick Saban. At least Michigan is still sitting better than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is paying for the shit treatment of Ty Willingham. Willingham goes 8-0 in his first 8 games, and wins 10 games in his first season, but doesn't get an extension. He's fired 2 seasons later. Charlie Weis gets a 10 year contract halfway through his first season. Notre Dame gets to back to back undeserved BCS bowl spots, and the Notre Dame fanbase is hyping up Weis saying he's going to bring a National Title. It's ignored in all of that, that Weis was winning with Ty Willingham's recruits. Now the fanbase wants to get rid of Weis, because Notre Dame sucks. I just find it funny that Notre Dame is sucking the big one, after their treatment of Tyrone Willingham. And the fact that they aren't an elite college football program, yet get hyped like one.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 14, 2009 20:37:37 GMT -5
RichRod=Fail but, we're stuck with him for 3 more years. I hope he either gets a lucky horseshoe or our AD gets some smarts and fires him. Preferably option 2. Serves the Michigan fanbase right. They drove Carr into retirement all because his program was in a down year (which believe it or not, does happen in college football), despite you know the fact that he won a National title.Unlike Bo whatshisbeauname. So yeah, you got your savior. Except so far, he aint your Urban Meyer. Or Nick Saban. Carr wasn't in a down year but, a down 4 years, hadn't beat OSU in at least 4, was ten years removed from National Title contention and, most of the fanbase wants nothing to do with RichRod. We wanted Miles but, he has wasn't leaving LSU. We didn't get our savior, we got our rebound hooker.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 20:41:28 GMT -5
You're right pretty much.
How exactly is Weis's ND years better than Willingham's?
You're right about the that fanbase's hypocrisy. They still wish it was 1965, but Notre Dame is irrelevant these days. All hype, All history, nothing else.
I won't go explicit since it would violate this board's no-politics rule, but I have a sneaking suspicion why ND screwed Willingham over. You might know what I'm talking about.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 14, 2009 20:44:28 GMT -5
TCU up 28-7 on Utah in the second quarter
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 20:45:41 GMT -5
Serves the Michigan fanbase right. They drove Carr into retirement all because his program was in a down year (which believe it or not, does happen in college football), despite you know the fact that he won a National title.Unlike Bo whatshisbeauname. So yeah, you got your savior. Except so far, he aint your Urban Meyer. Or Nick Saban. Carr wasn't in a down year but, a down 4 years, hadn't beat OSU in at least 4, was ten years removed from National Title contention and, most of the fanbase wants nothing to do with RichRod. We wanted Miles but, he has wasn't leaving LSU. We didn't get our savior, we got our rebound hooker. Fanboyism backfires, fanboys getting again what they wanted to prevent. Sorry, I don't feel bad for the Wolverines. Not one bit. Besides, I know you fans refuse to believe this, but there are cycles in football for an institution. Some years you do well, some years you don't. And never forget relativity. Look at those USC fans brewing mad of how Pete Carroll has last few years had a national title-worthy team recruited, only to lose a stupid game to someone like Washington or whatever. Nevermind that Carroll won two national titles, a buttload of Rose Bowls, and turned around USC and restoring that program. They're effectively Los Angeles' NFL team.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 14, 2009 20:52:36 GMT -5
35 points in less than 20 minutes against the #16 Team
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Nov 14, 2009 20:58:13 GMT -5
TCU sending a big message to the BCS bigwigs tonight.
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Post by The Wraith on Nov 14, 2009 20:59:45 GMT -5
You're right pretty much. How exactly is Weis's ND years better than Willingham's? You're right about the that fanbase's hypocrisy. They still wish it was 1965, but Notre Dame is irrelevant these days. All hype, All history, nothing else. I won't go explicit since it would violate this board's no-politics rule, but I have a sneaking suspicion why ND screwed Willingham over. You might know what I'm talking about. Yeah, sure, Willingham went 8-0 his first year....so how did he finish it? Getting blown out 44-13 by USC in the last regular season game, and THEN getting whooped by NC State 28-6 in the freakin' Gator Bowl. He then goes 11-12 the next 2 seasons and is fired after that. I am REALLY getting sick and tired of the Willingham talk. He sucked, they fired him. End of story. And yes, I hope Weis is fired too, especially if he keeps losing this season.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 14, 2009 21:01:54 GMT -5
Hell even lookat how Willingham did at Washington
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 21:04:31 GMT -5
You're right pretty much. How exactly is Weis's ND years better than Willingham's? You're right about the that fanbase's hypocrisy. They still wish it was 1965, but Notre Dame is irrelevant these days. All hype, All history, nothing else. I won't go explicit since it would violate this board's no-politics rule, but I have a sneaking suspicion why ND screwed Willingham over. You might know what I'm talking about. Yeah, sure, Willingham went 8-0 his first year....so how did he finish it? Getting blown out 44-13 by USC in the last regular season game, and THEN getting whooped by NC State 28-6 in the freakin' Gator Bowl. He then goes 11-12 the next 2 seasons and is fired after that. I am REALLY getting sick and tired of the Willingham talk. He sucked, they fired him. End of story. And yes, I hope Weis is fired too, especially if he keeps losing this season. Yet Weis was given what 2 more seasons? Hell there's even a possibility that he might return next year. And what for? Point is, the hype of the fanbase when Weis was brought in, compared to his execution.... A big gap. BIG gap.
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Post by The Wraith on Nov 14, 2009 21:12:13 GMT -5
Yeah, sure, Willingham went 8-0 his first year....so how did he finish it? Getting blown out 44-13 by USC in the last regular season game, and THEN getting whooped by NC State 28-6 in the freakin' Gator Bowl. He then goes 11-12 the next 2 seasons and is fired after that. I am REALLY getting sick and tired of the Willingham talk. He sucked, they fired him. End of story. And yes, I hope Weis is fired too, especially if he keeps losing this season. Yet Weis was given what 2 more seasons? Hell there's even a possibility that he might return next year. And what for? Point is, the hype of the fanbase when Weis was brought in, compared to his execution.... A big gap. BIG gap. I'm just as confused as you as to why they gave Weis an extension. Don't generalize the entire ND fanbase because of all the media hype. My dad and I are ND fans (although I'm Texas Tech first and foremost) and I can easily tell you that we just want wins. We don't ever go around acting like ND deserves national titles, because they have to earn it like every other school. When we see the head coach calling STUPID offensive plays, we'll call him out on it. When Charlie Weis loses to Navy TWICE....yeah he should be gone just off of that alone. Plus, if ND was as irrelevant as you say, they wouldn't have a TV contract with NBC. You can say "it's only history" all you want, but there have been MANY close games with ND shown on there, so if NBC wants exciting games, it's what they get.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 21:27:45 GMT -5
I'm just as confused as you as to why they gave Weis an extension. Because in his first (or second?) season, he openly mused in public about how maybe he might head coach in the NFL someday. Wink wink, snort snort. Notre Dame panicked, gave him his damn contract extension, and you all are now suffering. Of course I don't generalize fanbases. I just like to tweak/thumb them in stereotypes when nonsense pops up. Like the expensive RichRod or the Weis Mess. We don't ever go around acting like ND deserves national titles, because they have to earn it like every other school. When we see the head coach calling STUPID offensive plays, we'll call him out on it. Plus, if ND was as irrelevant as you say, they wouldn't have a TV contract with NBC. You can say "it's only history" all you want, but there have been MANY close games with ND shown on there, so if NBC wants exciting games, it's what they get. You know what the difference between losing by ONE point and losing by 30? Nothing, absolutely nothing. You still lose. The NBC contract, you should know why. And its not criticism, just a fact. Notre Dame is a brand name. No its not been worthy of that brand name since the Tim Brown years, or even the later Lou Holtz years I suppose. But none the less, brand names sell tickets and TV ratings. But in terms of field play, Notre Dame is irrelevant.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 14, 2009 21:46:47 GMT -5
LA Tech hanging in there with LSU
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Post by The Wraith on Nov 14, 2009 21:55:55 GMT -5
Except in college football, there is a difference in a one-point and 30-point loss: how far you drop in the rankings. In any other league (MLB, NFL, NBA), a loss is only a loss. If you want to get all technical about it.
Even on field play, I'd argue the "irrelevance" factor. Notre Dame has been a few bad playcalls away from perhaps being undefeated. Every loss has been by what, by 7 points or less? I've seen what ND is capable of doing, and for whatever reason Weis refuses to take advantage of their talents. (Why every ND offensive play isn't the Golden Tate Show is beyond me, every time they throw it deep to him, he ALWAYS catches it.) Yeah, a loss is a loss, but it's not because of the team ND puts out there. It's because of a head coach who apparently can't handle a triple-option offense like Navy to the point where he loses to them TWICE.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 14, 2009 22:04:24 GMT -5
Except in college football, there is a difference in a one-point and 30-point loss: how far you drop in the rankings. In any other league (MLB, NFL, NBA), a loss is only a loss. If you want to get all technical about it. Now that's true. Even on field play, I'd argue the "irrelevance" factor. Notre Dame has been a few bad playcalls away from perhaps being undefeated. Every loss has been by what, by 7 points or less? I've seen what ND is capable of doing, and for whatever reason Weis refuses to take advantage of their talents. (Why every ND offensive play isn't the Golden Tate Show is beyond me, every time they throw it deep to him, he ALWAYS catches it.) Yeah, a loss is a loss, but it's not because of the team ND puts out there. It's because of a head coach who apparently can't handle a triple-option offense like Navy to the point where he loses to them TWICE. I'm surprised the Navy loses bother you more than the USC loses.
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