dav
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Post by dav on Dec 30, 2009 14:53:08 GMT -5
No contest. Star Trek DS9 single handedly beats everything that Star Wars can offer. I just see Star Wars as being overrated tripe that becomes medicore in high spots.
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Post by Bobafett on Dec 30, 2009 14:58:32 GMT -5
Fett did survive and Lucas said he woulda put it in the special edition but couldn't find a decent way to do it so he just made it canon, what annoys me is that they seem to want to make ad Bane in the new clone wars series to be "more badass than Fett" (accoding to the writers ) in Star Wars, the Fetts are the best, wellthere is the Clan Skirata..but they were never in the movies
Garak is just the best Star Trek character ever created, the episode"In the Pale Moonlight" is made even more awesome due to him
Voyager was so bad that they were rehashing scripts, not just from TNG..but from the earlier seasons of Voyager itself, Enterprise,well prequel movies work because theres not THAT much you will contradict (or at least theres not as much to watch out for ),but a Requal series to 24 seasons worth of info.. just no, and the new movie, ..everything we watched..is just another reality?..really?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 30, 2009 15:08:03 GMT -5
Fett did survive and Lucas said he woulda put it in the special edition but couldn't find a decent way to do it so he just made it canon, what annoys me is that they seem to want to make ad Bane in the new clone wars series to be "more badass than Fett" (accoding to the writers ) in Star Wars, the Fetts are the best, wellthere is the Clan Skirata..but they were never in the movies Garak is just the best Star Trek character ever created, the episode"In the Pale Moonlight" is made even more awesome due to him Voyager was so bad that they were rehashing scripts, not just from TNG..but from the earlier seasons of Voyager itself, Enterprise,well prequel movies work because theres not THAT much you will contradict (or at least theres not as much to watch out for ),but a Requal series to 24 seasons worth of info.. just no, and the new movie, ..everything we watched..is just another reality?..really? It's a different timeline that was created by Nero's interference with past events. The filmmakers did it in order to maintain a level of unpredictability that wouldn't have been there if the movie were strictly a prequel. Basically, its what all of the Platinum Dunes films are. Except it just came right out and said it. Plus, it didn't suck. (Movie of the year, in my eyes.)
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 30, 2009 17:56:07 GMT -5
*sigh* [puts on uber-geek hat]
My analysis of the various aspects of the two franchises go as such:
Sub-light speed of ships: Advantage - Star Trek
The capital ships on Star Trek are far quicker and maneuverable than SW capital ships, and the smaller classes can match the best SW snubfighters in both categories.
Supraluminal speed of ships: Advantage - push
There are two aspects of FTL travel that come into play here, and what the particular situation calls for. SW vessels are just faster. I don't think even the biggest Trekkie could even argue with this one. They do, however, appear to have to travel in what seems to be straight lines. What's more, they do not seem to be able to adjust course or speed once they make their jump. They also cannot do an adequate job using sensors to analyze things outside of hyperspace outside of the effects of a large mass in realspace on hyperspace. ST vessels travel much slower on average (only the few species that have developed transwarp travel, like the Borg, seem to be capable of even comparing to the slowest FTL drives in SW), but they can adjust speed, course, detect and avoid obstacles, and can even engage targets while in warp (this was once addressed in the SW:EU where it was stated that weapons fired in hyperspace remain in hyperspace and cannot affect things in realspace). It all depends on what you need at the time.
Weapon strength: Advantage - ST
I know what you are thinking, and you are right on some things. ST has nothing that can truly compare to the Death Star (though they do have a Sun Crusher equivalent, oddly enough). However, the average power of the main weapon systems on SW capital ships has been definitively demonstrated in the movies (primarily TESB). While one can argue about whether the turbolasers shooting random asteroids are at full power or not, one likely would not claim that in battle they are. We have seen what their weapons to the hulls of their ships, and thanks to the asteroid collision that destroyed the command tower of that one Star Destroyer we can estimate what the maximum strength of those hulls would be. I am not saying that the weapons in ST are on a whole different level than SW (primarily because their strength seems to be highly variable, as if power wanes on a vessel the longer it has been since a maintenance overhaul, which they have been shown to do on a semi-regular basis on the shows, let alone whether they did it off screen as well). I am just saying that on average ST weapons are shown to be stronger than SW weapons.
Defensive Ship Strength: Advantage - Star Trek
The TESB example sets a precedent for SW ships that ST regularly exceeded. Granted, ST vessels resembled eggs more than SW vessels (by which I mean that they have hard exteriors but you could destroy the insides without destroying the outside if you jar or shake it just right). Seriously, how many warp core explosions have we seen in ST? This number should also include vessels you explode in a glorious fireball by getting shot. I doubt that we could count them all in ST, but in SW I only recall a handful of them. Granted, two of them were planetoid levels of detonation, but outside of them most capital sized ships or bases in SW break apart rather than go boom.
Handweapons: Advantage - Star Trek
Come on, this cannot be debated. So many conflicts in the SW movies could have been solved if the heroes had the power of the basic hand phaser or disruptor at their hands.
God-like beings: Advantage - Star Trek
The Q beat out the strongest of Jedi/Sith. They just do. Hell, there have been a number of god-like beings in ST that can compete with them at some level or another. At times SW *might* have larger numbers of overpowered freaks, but even then it just isn't the same.
Variables: Advantage - Star Trek
Yes, the ability to mass-produce semi-intelligent robots is a thing that SW has mastered and ST has not, but that is not that great a deal. SW also has the benefit of obscenely more citizens for their assorted political entities, but total galactic inhabitants should not vary too much. That being said, ST has several things that SW just cannot compare to. Transporters alone is a massive advantage, but mobile hologram emitters and personal cloaks aren't anything to be sneezed at. That does not even cover the fact that in ST cloaking devices not only can work on smaller vessels, but they are not double blind like they are in SW.
That does not even address the Borg.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 30, 2009 17:59:08 GMT -5
I've never had any interest inn Star Trek whatsoever, so therefore, it's Star Wars all the way.
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