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Post by Perigryn on Nov 5, 2009 3:35:45 GMT -5
I always wondered why they never put up any bios of the FCW talent. At least their height, weight, style and signature moves would be nice...
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 5, 2009 5:00:15 GMT -5
His look? Well I have no idea what he previously looked like so I can't say what looked better, but as this look, he looked okay. His 'look' didn't really make him stand out much. What is with WWE's obession with cutting people's long hair? Seriously. I can remember numerous and numerous of people getting called up to the main roster and forced to cut their hair. Kazarian, Kash, Johnny Jeter.. a lot. Long hair gives you instant credibility, in my eyes, it can be used to benefit a match (Stuff like HBK flipping his hair while climbing the turnbuckle or nipping up) and it flatout makes men look better. Look at Vance. He looks to cool in that picture, yet so damn plain and so damn boring in his debut with a clean shaven face and short hair. Blah! Try to imagine HBK, Hart, Triple H, Edge, Punk, Jeff and numerous others with short hair. It suits some, but only some. Taker with short hair looked OK, but thankfully he grew it back, since the long hairstyle looks so much better. And try to imagine the Tombstone or the kneeling pose withouyt the hair flipping.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Nov 5, 2009 8:14:52 GMT -5
And try to imagine the Tombstone or the kneeling pose withouyt the hair flipping. So like.. you just mean watch any clip of him from 1990, 1991 and some of 1992?
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Post by seamonsters on Nov 5, 2009 14:54:25 GMT -5
Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, King Of The Ring... You cant tell the difference between a PPV where one of the matches is a battle royal and a PPV where three of the matches are a Hell in the Cell match, a type of kmatch that typically only happens once a year between two guys? I am not even discussing the positives or negatives of gimmick PPVs for almost the entirety of the year, just saying it is DIFFERENT from their past MO. And I'm pointing it out that it isn't. One match that takes up half of the PPV is the same as one with three of the same gimmick. Not to mention the King Of The Ring PPV was centred round the tournament and could feature as many as seven matches. Survivor Series used to be all gimmick elimination matches. Heck, even the first ever WWF PPV was a gimmick knockout tournament (The Wrestling Classic). This is their MO. It's the few years of this decade that have stood out. And for most of that time, they've been stuck in a rut. Shoots aren't 100% truth. There's a lot of truth in them, but they are still guys trying to put themselves over to marks and smarks. The guys on the Legends of Wrestling panel are great talkers - they never needed their promos scripted - if they did, they wouldn't be put on a panel like that! But there have always been guys that have needed their promos scripted. You're mistaking a gimmick with a look and a style. Bret Hart started using the 'Hitman' nickname as a homage to his favourite boxer, Thomas Hearns. It was nothing to do with his technical ability. Being great at technical wrestling is a description of your style. Being "a technical wrestler" isn't a gimmick, it's a style. The pink and black was essentially a trademark, part of his look, rather like Cena's throwback style T-shirts. It's not a gimmick. The beer drinking redneck bit was Austin's gimmick, the black trunks and 3:16 shirts part of his look. It's like saying that every Mexican luchadore has the same gimmick because they wear a mask. Not on their debut they didn't. Diesel wore jeans on his debut, and fir his first few appearances and barely spoke for almost a year, less so have catchphrases. Sid was well established enough in WCW to be announced as the guest referee for a Summerslam main event, but didn't come out in what would become his WWE trademark look of light blue trunks. Repeating something doesn't make it true. Kofi Kingston looks nothing like Jack Swagger looks nothing like Yoshi Tatsu looks nothing like Sheamus looks nothing like Tyler Reks looks nothing like Scotty Goldman looks nothing like Ezekiel Jackson looks nothing like Drew McIntyre looks nothing like Tyson Kidd looks nothing like Ricky Ortiz looks nothing like Vladimir Kozlov looks nothing like Evan Bourne. All of those guys have individuality. The only ones that don't were Ted DiBiase, DJ Gabriel, Primo and Gavin Spears and to a lesser extent Eric Escobar. DiBiase has been round the world learning his trade and looks great in the ring (when given a chance), Primo has all the talent and none of the charisma (as opposed to his brother). Well, they're not paying that much attention are they? It's his debut! What are they supposed to do? Give him a 20 minute masterclass? You build someone up slowly. John Cena may have had a memorable debut, but Batista started off rattling D-Von Dudley's colection box, Shawn Michaels spent years in a JTTS tag team, The Hardys (in their official debut) beat Kaientai (and not even the Taka/Funaki combo) on Sunday Night Heat, even HHH squashed a jobber in the same amount of time that Archer did. Who was Guest Host Monday night? Well what worked in 2000 wasn't working in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008, so they had to try something else. No, true, that only started happenning Did I imagine those Hardy-Punk promos? Those Punk-Undertaker ones? The Cena-Orton ones? I must admit I miss "colourful distinctive characters" like Outback Jack, Akeem and the Red Rooster. If only someone could create a website for those kind of characters. Managers? That's down to the loss of the territories. There's nowhere to go to build up your trade anymore. You essentially have to be a retired wrestler who wants to stay on the road (and they can't even get enough of those to fill the commentary booths), but then, that's been the case most of the time - Jim Cornette is very much an exception. Tag team wrestling - again, guys would go from territory to territory. There's nowhere to hone the trade anymore. The only way it happens these days is if WWE (or TNA) throws two guys together. Which people complain about, because it's seen as burying them because the tag team division is crap. Even now, with Jerishow, DX, MVP/WSM with their matching outfits, Legacy, Cryme Tyme and Hart Dynasty. That's one fifth of the roster in an established tag team. Not on WWF TV it didn't. When Hogan bled against Slaughter in 1991, it was shocking, because it hadn't happenned in the WWF for years. The first Vince McMahon-approved blood in the PPV era happenned in 1995. (the Muraco-Snuka was one of the last, if not the last WWF matches with a blade job) Still, that's no bad thing if you give even half a crap about the welfare of the wrestlers.
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Post by seamonsters on Nov 5, 2009 15:03:54 GMT -5
TNA doesn't have to take lessons from the old ECW but it could take lessons from HEYMAN in terms of giving the company a distinct identity with a true style that is purely TNA. TNA doesn't even need to take lessons from Heyman. TNA earned their TV deal on the basis of being different - they had a small main event pool, and other than that the focus on the X Division was getting it over with wrestling fans who didn't want what the WWE was giving them. Then with the TV deal, they chopped the corners off the ring for the sake of it, and brought in a load of ex-WWE guys, and over the space of three years, all that money they've spent on Nash, Booker, Steiner, and even Hardy, Christian and Angle (who fit in with the old TNA style more that the other three did), earned them what, a 0.2 jump in ratings? Meanwhile, until recently when they decided they should try and push AJ, Hernandez, Morgan and Young, they pushed most of the guys that got them there into the midcard while pointing out where the other guys had made their name. And just when they looked they were starting to go back to what they did best - they sign Hogan.
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Post by metylerca on Nov 5, 2009 15:25:11 GMT -5
Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, King Of The Ring... You cant tell the difference between a PPV where one of the matches is a battle royal and a PPV where three of the matches are a Hell in the Cell match, a type of kmatch that typically only happens once a year between two guys? I am not even discussing the positives or negatives of gimmick PPVs for almost the entirety of the year, just saying it is DIFFERENT from their past MO. And I'm pointing it out that it isn't. One match that takes up half of the PPV is the same as one with three of the same gimmick. Not to mention the King Of The Ring PPV was centred round the tournament and could feature as many as seven matches. Survivor Series used to be all gimmick elimination matches. Heck, even the first ever WWF PPV was a gimmick knockout tournament (The Wrestling Classic). This is their MO. It's the few years of this decade that have stood out. And for most of that time, they've been stuck in a rut. Shoots aren't 100% truth. There's a lot of truth in them, but they are still guys trying to put themselves over to marks and smarks. The guys on the Legends of Wrestling panel are great talkers - they never needed their promos scripted - if they did, they wouldn't be put on a panel like that! But there have always been guys that have needed their promos scripted. This may be one of my favorite posts ever. Right on, man. And am I the only one not as impressed with this guy's debut?
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Nov 5, 2009 16:12:00 GMT -5
I just thought of something...
"It's time for the Lance Vance dance!"
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Post by David Otunga: Eternian at Law on Nov 5, 2009 17:58:21 GMT -5
His look? Well I have no idea what he previously looked like so I can't say what looked better, but as this look, he looked okay. His 'look' didn't really make him stand out much. Yeah okay they should have stayed with this look.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 5, 2009 18:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah okay they should have stayed with this look. Who are you to doubt those marketing wizards in Stamford?
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Post by The Tank on Nov 5, 2009 18:01:50 GMT -5
I just thought of something... "It's time for the Lance Vance dance!"
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Nov 5, 2009 18:06:32 GMT -5
I just thought of something... "It's time for the Lance Vance dance!" I love that friggin' game Also, put Mr Cade on ECW, and you have something there with the whole 'Lance Vance' thing.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 5, 2009 18:06:41 GMT -5
Just a thought. Since his name is Archer, give the man a Bow & Arrow Backbreaker/Submission combo! Not rocket science, people.
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Post by MyndSkape: A Poor Man's Virgil on Nov 5, 2009 19:34:10 GMT -5
What is with WWE's obession with cutting people's long hair? Seriously. I can remember numerous and numerous of people getting called up to the main roster and forced to cut their hair. Kazarian, Kash, Johnny Jeter.. a lot. Long hair gives you instant credibility, in my eyes, it can be used to benefit a match (Stuff like HBK flipping his hair while climbing the turnbuckle or nipping up) and it flatout makes men look better. Look at Vance. He looks to cool in that picture, yet so damn plain and so damn boring in his debut with a clean shaven face and short hair. Blah! Try to imagine HBK, Hart, Triple H, Edge, Punk, Jeff and numerous others with short hair. It suits some, but only some. Taker with short hair looked OK, but thankfully he grew it back, since the long hairstyle looks so much better. And try to imagine the Tombstone or the kneeling pose withouyt the hair flipping. If they cut Heath Slater's hair, I want to know who's gonna riot with me!
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Nov 5, 2009 19:36:35 GMT -5
He looks like he could be related to Charlie Haas now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 19:41:15 GMT -5
He looks like he could be related to Charlie Haas now. It looks like they got Haas, but then they combined him with Brutus Magnus and threw in a few gallons of prison rapist, too.
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Post by The Tank on Nov 5, 2009 19:43:15 GMT -5
What is with WWE's obession with cutting people's long hair? Seriously. I can remember numerous and numerous of people getting called up to the main roster and forced to cut their hair. Kazarian, Kash, Johnny Jeter.. a lot. Long hair gives you instant credibility, in my eyes, it can be used to benefit a match (Stuff like HBK flipping his hair while climbing the turnbuckle or nipping up) and it flatout makes men look better. Look at Vance. He looks to cool in that picture, yet so damn plain and so damn boring in his debut with a clean shaven face and short hair. Blah! Try to imagine HBK, Hart, Triple H, Edge, Punk, Jeff and numerous others with short hair. It suits some, but only some. Taker with short hair looked OK, but thankfully he grew it back, since the long hairstyle looks so much better. And try to imagine the Tombstone or the kneeling pose withouyt the hair flipping. If they cut Heath Slater's hair, I want to know who's gonna riot with me! Nobody. Because Heath Slater's never getting called up. ...then again, after ESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSCOBAR gets in after 4 years in Dev, I guess anything's possible.
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Post by Mac on Nov 5, 2009 20:28:32 GMT -5
That was standard fair.
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Post by Tapout on Nov 5, 2009 20:36:44 GMT -5
Just a thought. Since his name is Archer, give the man a Bow & Arrow Backbreaker/Submission combo! some kind of boring neckbreaker as a finisher! That's a great idea, and we here at WWE Creative thank you for your input! We're right there with you! Thanks for being part of the WWE Universe(TM)!
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 5, 2009 21:02:38 GMT -5
Long hair is instant credibility? HUH?!?
I didn't think he looked that bad. Kind of bland, sure, but goofy looking long hair wasn't going to change that.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 5, 2009 21:20:30 GMT -5
I was thinking about it today when I watched ECW on my Ipod.
When I first saw Lance Hoyt, I didn't know who it was. I keep up with FCW, and Lance kept his look while he was down there. So when he was called up, like, I read the fourm and knew someone was going to debut, but didn't read it. So, I was anticipating who it was. And when he came out, I thought to myself, I've never seen this guy in FCW, did they just hire the guy? Then I heard Tiffany say, "Vance Archer" and my jaw dropped.
I'm at least glad he kept that name, because I would have been really racking my brain to figure out who it was (though being from Dallas may've given it away). But yeah, that's some Charlie Haas looking guy, that Vance Archer.
Anyway, I hate the name "Vance Archer". Is Vance actually a name? Not only that, but I hate how creative is coming up with these very uncreative names. Jack Swagger is the worst example of that (Jake Hager). Anyway, it's good to see that ECW is now gonna get infected!
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