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Post by chac on Nov 17, 2009 20:02:27 GMT -5
Kofi is the first baby face I've cared about in a very long time.
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Post by Topher is Human on Nov 17, 2009 20:29:05 GMT -5
Does this current transformation remind anyone else of the epic Jeff Hardy transformation that we got two years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 20:56:24 GMT -5
Does this current transformation remind anyone else of the epic Jeff Hardy transformation that we got two years ago? Think it's more like when Jeff took up the face paint last year. Two years ago Jeff just kinda... abruptly faced and beat Triple H with no real build besides hanging out with him for a couple of weeks first.
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Post by rrm15 on Nov 17, 2009 21:01:16 GMT -5
As much as I absolutely love Kofi's music, anyone else feel maybe its time to change it? I think that is the next step.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 21:09:58 GMT -5
I think Kofi's music is fine. Sure it's upbeat and jumpy, but what would you call Cena's?
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 17, 2009 21:58:27 GMT -5
Question: if he isn't "Jamaican" anymore, why is his last name still Kingston?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 17, 2009 22:30:46 GMT -5
As much as I absolutely love Kofi's music, anyone else feel maybe its time to change it? I think that is the next step. No. His music is fine. He doesn't need to switch to a "serious" hardcore rap theme or a "badass" metal theme in order to "take the next step". He's got something unique and recognizable completely to him. Let him keep it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 22:36:44 GMT -5
Question: if he isn't "Jamaican" anymore, why is his last name still Kingston? Well, there's a football (soccer) player from Ghana whose last name is Kingston...
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Nov 17, 2009 22:46:12 GMT -5
I'm calling it now, I've been digging the guy for awhile now, but ever since ditching the fake ass Jamaican accent and getting anedgier attitude, the guy has been gold. His beat down on Randy on Raw sealed it for me, especially hitting the Boom Drop through a table from the crowd. I know crowds go crazy for big spots, but the crowd was hot as hell the whole time, and really got behind Kofi. I think this Raw may have finally cemented him as a legit main eventer and is his big stepping stone. Maybe I could agree with you, and I would welcome this idea of Kofi as a top star in the company, BUT, you have to remember this is WWE. Most likely, all of this will be forgotten about in 2 months (if even that long) from now, and we will have another HHH, Cena or Orton title run. I just have absolutely 0 faith in WWE to bring a guy like Kofi, Miz, MVP, John Morrison, Ziggler or any newer talent to the top of the company nowadays. I thought they'd do it before, and I was wrong. I am not interested in the product now, largely because of them doing that. They'll make a guy look good for a while, and then BOOM, their push is dead, and nothing ever comes of it. It's pointless. The Peter H podcast from AngryMarks.com was spot on as far as I'm concerned. WWE just is nothing like it used to be. They seem to just be in their own little world, and the entire product seems so sterilized and devoid of any real life or passion. There are few exceptions, but as a whole, wrestling is just in a comatose state, and has been for the last 4-5 years.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 17, 2009 22:59:12 GMT -5
I think you guys are more desperate for a new star than WWE is. You guys are jumping the gun. This is nothing compared to the pedestal we were putting Kenned and MVP on. Kofi's pretty good but I don't see him being the next big thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 23:13:20 GMT -5
I think you guys are more desperate for a new star than WWE is. You guys are jumping the gun. This is nothing compared to the pedestal we were putting Kenned and MVP on. Kofi's pretty good but I don't see him being the next big thing. Wanted to use a different song but couldn't find it. All the same, this fits shockingly well - tubedubber.com/#3fxFW7lRKaU:zweEWPABVm0:0:100:0:0:true
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 17, 2009 23:15:09 GMT -5
I think you guys are more desperate for a new star than WWE is. You guys are jumping the gun. This is nothing compared to the pedestal we were putting Kenned and MVP on. Kofi's pretty good but I don't see him being the next big thing. Wanted to use a different song but couldn't find it. All the same, this fits shockingly well - tubedubber.com/#3fxFW7lRKaU:zweEWPABVm0:0:100:0:0:trueHoly crap! That fits better than his actual music.
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 18, 2009 4:45:21 GMT -5
I'm calling it now, I've been digging the guy for awhile now, but ever since ditching the fake ass Jamaican accent and getting anedgier attitude, the guy has been gold. His beat down on Randy on Raw sealed it for me, especially hitting the Boom Drop through a table from the crowd. I know crowds go crazy for big spots, but the crowd was hot as hell the whole time, and really got behind Kofi. I think this Raw may have finally cemented him as a legit main eventer and is his big stepping stone. Maybe I could agree with you, and I would welcome this idea of Kofi as a top star in the company, BUT, you have to remember this is WWE. Most likely, all of this will be forgotten about in 2 months (if even that long) from now, and we will have another HHH, Cena or Orton title run. I just have absolutely 0 faith in WWE to bring a guy like Kofi, Miz, MVP, John Morrison, Ziggler or any newer talent to the top of the company nowadays. I thought they'd do it before, and I was wrong. I am not interested in the product now, largely because of them doing that. They'll make a guy look good for a while, and then BOOM, their push is dead, and nothing ever comes of it. It's pointless. The Peter H podcast from AngryMarks.com was spot on as far as I'm concerned. WWE just is nothing like it used to be. They seem to just be in their own little world, and the entire product seems so sterilized and devoid of any real life or passion. There are few exceptions, but as a whole, wrestling is just in a comatose state, and has been for the last 4-5 years. Ever since coming into contact with the wrestling smart community I've found that, irrespective of whether or not it's a boom period, the one, of many, complaints about the WWF/WWE over the last three decades (yup I'm that old ;D) is fans getting angry about the promotion supposedly never pushing new talent 'nowadays'. They were the ones who whined about Backlund, circa '82, and wanted Snuka as WWF champion, the ones who whined about Hogan's dominance largely on the grounds that the wrestlers THEY liked weren't in his spot, the ones who from 2000 onwards filled the interweb with the belief that Rock and Austin couldn't 'wrestle' and that the WWF would apparently be much better if the likes of Benoit and Jericho were on top etc, fans moaning about Cena being 'buried' by the Undertaker back in 2003, some believing that Benoit was never walking out of MSG with the World Heavyweight Title at WM XX etc. In the end the WWE will probably push Kingston and the like as we enter a new decade but some people get themselves so wound up that they constantly depress themselves regurgiating myths about Vince's booking that in the long run don't actually turn out to be true. Like the one where he doesn't want to push new talent. This decade, post WWF Attitude, alone we've seen Cena, Batista, Edge, Lesnar, Punk, Benoit (tribute run or not that was alot more than even I was expecting they'd ever give him), Eddie G (until the stress did him in), Orton, Jericho finally (last year thanks to the feud with HBK moreso than his botched title run in 2001-2), RVD in '06 until he snorked it up and Jeff Hardy 'promoted' to the top spots. And yet if you happen across old message boards at the start of this decade you'd believe that it was going to be all Rock, Austin and Triple H. Some of you guys, depending on when you started watching, should know well by now that they (WWE) will come 'thorugh' at the end when it comes to pushing new guys. They always have and always will.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Nov 18, 2009 7:58:39 GMT -5
Look at where Punk and Orton are now though? Sure they had a brief run, but WWE kind of botched what could have been a great year for Orton. In early 2009, he had soooo much momentum going in to the Rumble. Hey, I am not saying they never push new stars. What I was getting at is the fact that as of late, it seems that the WWE will give a guy a nice run/push, and then they'll just forget about it after a little while. That is what bugs me.
Some of the people u listed as examples of WWE having new stars made is a little bit pretentious. I mean, keep in mind that during most of the Attitude era, and before that you had a direct competitor to WWE. Now, you don't have that. Edge, Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero were not made post attitude era. These guys were already established as stars either in WWE, or elsewhere. I don't think it's really a fair comparison. The only 3 guys I can think of that have been truly MADE into top talent from 2002-present aside from Lesnar are Cena and Batista. Maybe Orton to a lesser extent though.
The WWE "coming through in the end" is not always the best thing in my view, because by then, all of the momentum and fire behind a certain wrestler may be gone, and fans will care less if you wait too long. Think of how things would have or could have been different if the WWF waited until the Survivor Series to do anything with Austin after he won King of the Ring 1996, and people were getting into him.
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Post by baerrtt on Nov 18, 2009 11:05:34 GMT -5
Look at where Punk and Orton are now though? Sure they had a brief run, but WWE kind of botched what could have been a great year for Orton. In early 2009, he had soooo much momentum going in to the Rumble. Hey, I am not saying they never push new stars. What I was getting at is the fact that as of late, it seems that the WWE will give a guy a nice run/push, and then they'll just forget about it after a little while. That is what bugs me. Some of the people u listed as examples of WWE having new stars made is a little bit pretentious. I mean, keep in mind that during most of the Attitude era, and before that you had a direct competitor to WWE. Now, you don't have that. Edge, Jericho, Benoit, and Guerrero were not made post attitude era. These guys were already established as stars either in WWE, or elsewhere. I don't think it's really a fair comparison. The only 3 guys I can think of that have been truly MADE into top talent from 2002-present aside from Lesnar are Cena and Basketball Jones. Maybe Orton to a lesser extent though. The WWE "coming through in the end" is not always the best thing in my view, because by then, all of the momentum and fire behind a certain wrestler may be gone, and fans will care less if you wait too long. Think of how things would have or could have been different if the WWF waited until the Survivor Series to do anything with Austin after he won King of the Ring 1996, and people were getting into him. If Orton(whose hardly in a bad spot now imo) and Punk are victims of anything it's not the WWE forgetting their pushes but the current (and to an extent traditional) trend of them not pushing their heel main eventers as strongly as their face counterparts. Which I don't care for but it is what it is (not to mention Punk, assuming the rumours are true, is being specifically punished for his supposed arrogance backstage). Benoit, Eddie, Edge etc may have had good pushes during the Attitude era but their respective World title wins/main event runs came well after that era had finished.
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 18, 2009 11:15:22 GMT -5
I'm calling it now, I've been digging the guy for awhile now, but ever since ditching the fake ass Jamaican accent and getting anedgier attitude, the guy has been gold. His beat down on Randy on Raw sealed it for me, especially hitting the Boom Drop through a table from the crowd. I know crowds go crazy for big spots, but the crowd was hot as hell the whole time, and really got behind Kofi. I think this Raw may have finally cemented him as a legit main eventer and is his big stepping stone. Maybe I could agree with you, and I would welcome this idea of Kofi as a top star in the company, BUT, you have to remember this is WWE. Most likely, all of this will be forgotten about in 2 months (if even that long) from now, and we will have another HHH, Cena or Orton title run. I just have absolutely 0 faith in WWE to bring a guy like Kofi, Miz, MVP, John Morrison, Ziggler or any newer talent to the top of the company nowadays. I thought they'd do it before, and I was wrong. I am not interested in the product now, largely because of them doing that. They'll make a guy look good for a while, and then BOOM, their push is dead, and nothing ever comes of it. It's pointless. The Peter H podcast from AngryMarks.com was spot on as far as I'm concerned. WWE just is nothing like it used to be. They seem to just be in their own little world, and the entire product seems so sterilized and devoid of any real life or passion. There are few exceptions, but as a whole, wrestling is just in a comatose state, and has been for the last 4-5 years. This is exactly why I've become such a big TNA fan in recent months. Especially after the Main Event Mafia disbanded, the main events are fresh as hell and you feel like everyone on the show is a star in their own way. Sterilized and devoid of passion describes the build for Survivor Series really well, none of the feuds make you care at all.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Nov 18, 2009 11:26:02 GMT -5
They're both fueding with guys - R-Truth and Kingston respectively - and trying to bring them up a level. Isn't that what you wanted?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 18, 2009 11:27:40 GMT -5
They're both fueding with guys - R-Truth and Kingston respectively - and trying to bring them up a level. Isn't that what you wanted? Exactly. I dont see how 2 of the best heels being used to actually elevate talent is a *bad* thing
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Nov 18, 2009 13:04:46 GMT -5
They're both fueding with guys - R-Truth and Kingston respectively - and trying to bring them up a level. Isn't that what you wanted? Exactly. I dont see how 2 of the best heels being used to actually elevate talent is a *bad* thing Not saying it is a bad thing. All my point was is that they are not main eventing the show at the moment, even though they were supposedly made into top shelf stars by being champions. Didn't Punk just lose to a referee a few weeks ago or something? Orton, to a degree, could have been bigger than what he is doing now, in mine and a lot of people's minds, IF WWE hadn't fumbled his push after the beginning of the year. I like the fact that he had a lengthy tittle run, but when you see him just lose the belt to and then get it right back from Cena, it seems less important, and the way he won/lost said belt just was bad booking, IMO. My main point is that the inconsistency in the way people are made to look good one second, and then "they are nothing" the next second, irritates me and pushes me away from WWE wrestling.
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Nov 19, 2009 8:32:30 GMT -5
Exactly. I dont see how 2 of the best heels being used to actually elevate talent is a *bad* thing Not saying it is a bad thing. All my point was is that they are not main eventing the show at the moment, even though they were supposedly made into top shelf stars by being champions. Didn't Punk just lose to a referee a few weeks ago or something? Orton, to a degree, could have been bigger than what he is doing now, in mine and a lot of people's minds, IF WWE hadn't fumbled his push after the beginning of the year. I like the fact that he had a lengthy tittle run, but when you see him just lose the belt to and then get it right back from Cena, it seems less important, and the way he won/lost said belt just was bad booking, IMO. My main point is that the inconsistency in the way people are made to look good one second, and then "they are nothing" the next second, irritates me and pushes me away from WWE wrestling. Kofi will be the face of all WWE by 2012 and then you will eat humble pie! I bloody love Kofi I do, he will be big, and I'm gonna have have a lot of fun seeing how!
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