Undertaker Reference

[Psy]

lobo said:

psychotideman said:

"'Taker is one of the greatest of all time, there's no arguing that."

Yes there is. He's okay, sometimes good. But nowhere near 'great'.

Sounds like a personal grudge you have. Sixteen years of being on top of a company because of his skills as an entertainer and wrestler, that's just "okay"? Yeah, you're in denial I'm afraid.

"He is the greatest big man of all time, and I feel there's no denying that either."

Total BS on that. Vader was a better big man, as was Stan Hansen. To not mention Bruiser Brody would be heinous too. I know I'm forgetful about a couple others, too... I can see their faces but not remember their names.

So there are big men out there that are greater, and yet you can't rmemeber their names? Doesn't say much about the impact they left on you, eh? Let me guess, though, some Japanese wrestlers from the 90s? Oh, you puroresu marks crack me up. Anything not from Japan is automatically inferior. Nuts to elitism; I say.

I'd give Vader second best big man in my rankings. He's done great things, but he hasn't had the same consistency 'Taker has. It's subjective to say Vader has better skills. Vader usually had more skilled people to work with. 'Taker had entertaining matches with NASH -- that's not easy. Not to mention he always put on a show when facing HBK, Bret, Austin, Mankind, Kane, etc. Only injuries have been able to render 'Taker less than capable.

Stan Hansen. Again with your Japan elitism. Yeah, he was great too, a damn fine worker, and a tough bastard. Do you consider him a big man because he didn't do much but brawl? He never achieved 'Taker's popularity. Not even close.

Brody is almost exactly like Hansen. Great worker and brawler, maybe the best brawler. Better than 'Taker? Not even close, again. In fact, I rank Brody lower than Hansen.

Japan Elitism? That's some serious BS. I do like American big men too (Stan Hansen? Vader? Come on now.) but not the Undertaker. Or rather, not the Undertaker since he adopted the Biker gimmick. One of the other names I couldn't remember is Jumbo Tsuruta (OMG HE'S JAPANESE! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!) . And so what if I can't immediately think of someone's name at the drop of a hat? Same thing happens for me when trying to remember Steve Austin's name (I immediately think 'Blondes' when I think of his name).

Just because I happen to have a different opinion than you doesn't make me elitist.

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else.

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

psychotideman said:

lobo said:

Sounds like a personal grudge you have. Sixteen years of being on top of a company because of his skills as an entertainer and wrestler, that's just "okay"? Yeah, you're in denial I'm afraid.


So there are big men out there that are greater, and yet you can't rmemeber their names? Doesn't say much about the impact they left on you, eh? Let me guess, though, some Japanese wrestlers from the 90s? Oh, you puroresu marks crack me up. Anything not from Japan is automatically inferior. Nuts to elitism; I say.

I'd give Vader second best big man in my rankings. He's done great things, but he hasn't had the same consistency 'Taker has. It's subjective to say Vader has better skills. Vader usually had more skilled people to work with. 'Taker had entertaining matches with NASH -- that's not easy. Not to mention he always put on a show when facing HBK, Bret, Austin, Mankind, Kane, etc. Only injuries have been able to render 'Taker less than capable.

Stan Hansen. Again with your Japan elitism. Yeah, he was great too, a damn fine worker, and a tough bastard. Do you consider him a big man because he didn't do much but brawl? He never achieved 'Taker's popularity. Not even close.

Brody is almost exactly like Hansen. Great worker and brawler, maybe the best brawler. Better than 'Taker? Not even close, again. In fact, I rank Brody lower than Hansen.

Japan Elitism? That's some serious BS. I do like American big men too (Stan Hansen? Vader? Come on now.) but not the Undertaker. Or rather, not the Undertaker since he adopted the Biker gimmick. One of the other names I couldn't remember is Jumbo Tsuruta (OMG HE'S JAPANESE! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!) . And so what if I can't immediately think of someone's name at the drop of a hat? Same thing happens for me when trying to remember Steve Austin's name (I immediately think 'Blondes' when I think of his name).

Just because I happen to have a different opinion than you doesn't make me elitist.

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else.

Did does sound like a bias.

I mean I haven't seen much of Japanese wrestling, and sorta think of it as overated. But I would never say such an igorant comment like this:

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring.

Have you even watched him wrestle during that time?

He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

So basically this is your argument:

"PROVE TO ME THAT HE IS GOOD! BUT I WON'T EVER ACCEPT IT IF YOU TRY!"

So much for an open mind.

[Porky's Butthole]

"Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else."

See: Way Out, No. Feb 2006. If you do not like that match, then you are not a wrestling fan. Period. Match of the year right there. Nothing has even come remotely close to reaching that quality. I loved how Taker shut the smarts up about his workrate and ability to do a different style with that match.

Oh and for you Ministry Taker fans...check the sig, yo.

[Psy]

dagreenguy said:

psychotideman said:

Japan Elitism? That's some serious BS. I do like American big men too (Stan Hansen? Vader? Come on now.) but not the Undertaker. Or rather, not the Undertaker since he adopted the Biker gimmick. One of the other names I couldn't remember is Jumbo Tsuruta (OMG HE'S JAPANESE! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!) . And so what if I can't immediately think of someone's name at the drop of a hat? Same thing happens for me when trying to remember Steve Austin's name (I immediately think 'Blondes' when I think of his name).

Just because I happen to have a different opinion than you doesn't make me elitist.

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else.

Did does sound like a bias.

I mean I haven't seen much of Japanese wrestling, and sorta think of it as overated. But I would never say such an igorant comment like this:



Have you even watched him wrestle during that time?

Yep. Most of his matches.

He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

So basically this is your argument:

"PROVE TO ME THAT HE IS GOOD! BUT I WON'T EVER ACCEPT IT IF YOU TRY!"

So much for an open mind.[/quote]

I do have an open mind. If he had a match that appealed to me, I'd applaud him for it. But quite frankly he's been extremely stale since the time I mentioned. I just don't buy Undertaker's hype and feel he's not one of the greatest ever.

I really enjoyed some of his older matches and used to be a huge fan of his. But not for a long time now.

[JMA]

It's important to note that Taker didn't really become a supernatural character until about 1993. Prior to that, he was just a big guy that felt no pain and had a Old West undertaker look.

[Psy]

bigmackdaddy said:

barneybhb said:

After Bikertaker came "Booger Red Taker" when he had his hair cut short (which was ginger not black) and wore leather trousers rather than the black trousers and blue shirt of Bikertaker.

What exactly is a 'Booger Red'?

Apparently (and this may be wrong, I only heard this the other day from a pal in DAoC) a "booger red" is when someone crashes their motorcycle and loses their bowels, a sort of bloody slurry of dookie. He just threw it out there when talking about stopping at a truck stop and some guy just had a massive booger red next to him. Kinda threw me for a loop, don't know if he was making it up or what.... and if not, why the hell would they want to call someone that in WWE?

[montee916]

nicole said:

The Undertaker will certainly be a future inductee in the Hall of Fame with his loyalty to the company and his interesting characters..

You just have to wonder HOW he will be inducted.

Not so much HOW, but as for WHO, only two names I can think of - The guy who was Paul Bearer (sorry, his name escapes me at the mo) or Mick Foley (ala Steve Austin / Bret Hart earlier this year)

[Psy]

Percy Pringle is the name you're thinking of, if that's his real name.

[odanobunaga]

psychotideman said:

lobo said:

Sounds like a personal grudge you have. Sixteen years of being on top of a company because of his skills as an entertainer and wrestler, that's just "okay"? Yeah, you're in denial I'm afraid.


So there are big men out there that are greater, and yet you can't rmemeber their names? Doesn't say much about the impact they left on you, eh? Let me guess, though, some Japanese wrestlers from the 90s? Oh, you puroresu marks crack me up. Anything not from Japan is automatically inferior. Nuts to elitism; I say.

I'd give Vader second best big man in my rankings. He's done great things, but he hasn't had the same consistency 'Taker has. It's subjective to say Vader has better skills. Vader usually had more skilled people to work with. 'Taker had entertaining matches with NASH -- that's not easy. Not to mention he always put on a show when facing HBK, Bret, Austin, Mankind, Kane, etc. Only injuries have been able to render 'Taker less than capable.

Stan Hansen. Again with your Japan elitism. Yeah, he was great too, a damn fine worker, and a tough bastard. Do you consider him a big man because he didn't do much but brawl? He never achieved 'Taker's popularity. Not even close.

Brody is almost exactly like Hansen. Great worker and brawler, maybe the best brawler. Better than 'Taker? Not even close, again. In fact, I rank Brody lower than Hansen.

Japan Elitism? That's some serious BS. I do like American big men too (Stan Hansen? Vader? Come on now.) but not the Undertaker. Or rather, not the Undertaker since he adopted the Biker gimmick. One of the other names I couldn't remember is Jumbo Tsuruta (OMG HE'S JAPANESE! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!) . And so what if I can't immediately think of someone's name at the drop of a hat? Same thing happens for me when trying to remember Steve Austin's name (I immediately think 'Blondes' when I think of his name).

Just because I happen to have a different opinion than you doesn't make me elitist.

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else.

Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle is a example.

Oh, and BTW, Angle didn´t carry Taker not even a bit in that match.

He aslo is full of surprises. He did a suicide dive ino Mark Henry on the outside. Mark Henry. Mr."I injiry people by acident". He just fling himself onto his sloppy ass. You got to have some ball to do that .

[salTy]

odanobunaga said:

psychotideman said:

Japan Elitism? That's some serious BS. I do like American big men too (Stan Hansen? Vader? Come on now.) but not the Undertaker. Or rather, not the Undertaker since he adopted the Biker gimmick. One of the other names I couldn't remember is Jumbo Tsuruta (OMG HE'S JAPANESE! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!) . And so what if I can't immediately think of someone's name at the drop of a hat? Same thing happens for me when trying to remember Steve Austin's name (I immediately think 'Blondes' when I think of his name).

Just because I happen to have a different opinion than you doesn't make me elitist.

Undertaker hasn't really been "on top" for so long in my view, what he's been doing has been utter crap since he started riding that bike down to the ring. He hasn't had one good match since then. Not one that I would pay to see, not one that you could pay me to watch.

Bias? Perhaps. But no more than anyone else.

Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle is a example.

Oh, and BTW, Angle didn´t carry Taker not even a bit in that match.

He aslo is full of surprises. He did a suicide dive ino Mark Henry on the outside. Mark Henry. Mr."I injiry people by acident". He just fling himself onto his sloppy ass. You got to have some ball to do that .

How about at Summerslam '98 when he did the legdrop from the top turnbuckle to the outside onto Austin lying on a table.

That one shocked the hell out of me, I didn't expect it.

[DASH 243✅]

nicely done

[8-BitAssassin]

Nice read.

[Evil Homer]

I had the honor of being live at WM XX, watching the Taker return as the deadman was awesome. Something just came over the arena, I have never seen wrestling fans erupt louder, the whole experience was something else.

[Psy]

I seriously didn't like Undertaker vs. Angle, and I know I'm in the minority on that. I'm not saying that Undertaker sucks, I am saying I don't think he's the greatest ever.

Though when you talked about suicide dives, which gimmick was it where he had the inferno match with Kane and did the plancha over the flames onto Kane and Vader? That had me on the stand up and go "HOLY CRAP!"

[Mr Captain Falcon]

It was actually Survivor Series 1996 where he descended from the rafters in a leather bat outfit, not It's Time like previously reported, but this is still a friggin awesome thread dude. Does Big Evil get covered under Biker Taker though? Cuz there were like 2 or 3 different phases.