dc09
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Post by dc09 on Dec 30, 2009 4:54:29 GMT -5
It gets little or no PPV time (it wasn't defended at Final Resolution) and is only really seen now in webmatches. This is the title that was defended in the main event of Unbreakable in the greatest (IMO) match in TNA. Why is it dissapearing when it is what seperates TNA from other companies?
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 30, 2009 5:35:21 GMT -5
TNA just doesn't put as much emphasis storyline wise on it. It started out real strong but I think ever since the Knockouts got a better division and ever since the Legends/Global Title the X Division Title just doesn't mean as much as it use to.
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dc09
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Post by dc09 on Dec 30, 2009 5:50:14 GMT -5
I suppose since it's best stars are competing in the heavyweight division and the tag team and knockouts are getiing more time plus introducing two new divisions (although to be fair the knockout tag team doesn't get much) TNA has just lost interest.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 30, 2009 5:50:50 GMT -5
Cynically, I have to say they just don't care. Hopefully that changes, but unless they hire or push more people who can vie for it, I just don't see it getting a boost in the near future.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 30, 2009 12:10:11 GMT -5
As TNA is currently constituted, the X-Division strap doesn't hold much meaning. Besides, with the Global Title now there, it offers a midcard option.
I say keep the X title if you can get another show with at least an extra hour of programming to showcase the division, or have a unification match with it and one of the other singles straps, because it's not serving a good enough purpose right now (though it did help re-establish Red).
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Post by renzino on Dec 30, 2009 12:17:34 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else would agree with this but I think they should have more heavyweight guys compete in the X Division.
Since the motto of the division is "It's not about weight limits. It's about no limits!"
I really wouldn't mind seeing guys like Robert Roode, James Storm, Doug Williams and even Hernandez compete for the X Division title.
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Post by thatguybayne on Dec 30, 2009 12:21:23 GMT -5
TNA just doesn't put as much emphasis storyline wise on it. It started out real strong but I think ever since the Knockouts got a better division and ever since the Legends/Global Title the X Division Title just doesn't mean as much as it use to. Sadly I can see the Knockouts division heading the same way as the X Division. I suppose as with every wrestling company the focus is on the big names (and egos) at the top of the card.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Dec 30, 2009 12:24:43 GMT -5
Personally I think Kevin Nash killed the X-Division with his "wackiness" that he did with the X-Division wrestlers. Since then it just doesn't feel the same.
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comahan
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Post by comahan on Dec 30, 2009 12:32:16 GMT -5
Like you mentioned, I think it has a lot to do with the guys that made it so great a few years ago (AJ, Joe, Daniels, Sabin, etc) have all either moved onto chasing the World Title or Tag Titles. Guys like Red arent bad, but itll never be what it was before with those guys carrying it.
Id say the HW Title has turned into what the X Title was, really. The "wrestling match" part of the card if you will. With AJ, Angle, Joe, Daniels, and Wolfe at the top of the card, its giving us the great matches that we all remember from the 'good ole days', just in a different fashion.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 30, 2009 12:32:50 GMT -5
It bugs me to say this, but the X division could easily be seen as an analogy to TNA itself.
When the company started, the X division was the thing that set the apart, the thing they thumped their chests and pointed to, proudly screaming "we're different". It was unique, it felt special and offered the chance to see things that WWE wouldn't show on their programming.
Somewhere along the way, it got downplayed, tweaked, shoved aside, turned into "be like a video game" moments that never seemed to get any time, tweaked some more, then just more or less pushed aside. The quest, I"m guessing, was to focus on what was recognizable to the casual fan, what fit in their comfort zone of "the norm".
TNA itself started as a long shot, a weekly PPV gimmick that blossomed. Young guys getting chances, people that many fans had never heard of mixed with some recognizable names, with everyone just busting their ass week in and week out. Several networks and a whole lot of changes later and it doesn't feel quite as unique anymore, the "special" has been replaced with "you recognize this, right?"
I want them to grow so much more, I want them to be the different option, the alternative that they set out to be. The X-division was a major part of that because it didn't focus solely on cruiserweights or spotfests, it was "ok, you and you, get out there and just go, do your thing, but keep the pace up".
That's what drew me in, and that's what they've lost.
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Post by nonrev on Dec 30, 2009 12:36:25 GMT -5
As others have said their really is a lack of any emphasis on the X-Division. If they were serious about making the X-Division marketable they would put more emphasis on it.
The X-Division guys these days primarily seem to be used in order to fire up the crowd for the opening matches of the pay-per-views because they know they're going to get an exciting spotfest. I honestly think they intentionally ignore the X-Division because they don't want the smaller guys out-doing the rest of the heavy hitters on the card...which is the reason we haven't had an X-Division main event a pay-per-view since Daniels/Joe/AJ. That match made the X-Division title look more important than the heavyweight title which is a no no.
I actually wish it was as important as the heavyweight title. It should be. It differentiates TNA from the E and should make people want to pay money to see it defended. If they promoted the X-division like the UFC does it's welterweights, or light heavyweights it could be a division that could be equally on par with the heavyweight division; however, I highly suspect those in charge aren't willing to possibly be outshined by quicker and more spot festy wrestlers.
They have the talent
Red Homicide Pope Suicide Lethal Consequences Kiyoshi Shelly Sabin
All they need is some sort of storyline to connect them all together in pursuit of Red's title. The only story anyone really has at this point regarding the division is Homicide knows who Suicide is.
They need to put more effort into the division for it to become a top draw...but on only two hours of weekly programming which is shared with 3 other divisions that all get more exposure, it is tough to do.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 30, 2009 13:22:53 GMT -5
C'mon guys and gals their only building up further street cred for the epic program between Big Poppa Pump and the Boss Bobby Lashley. By making it seem as if Stiener killed Amazing Red during that excellently executed squash match awhile back. To bad Red happened to be carrying the X-Division belt at the time. See they can't build any PPV matches, wasting valuable TV time in the process, for the X-Division Title when the champion is (kayfabe dead or) in the hospital now can they? That would make no logical sense, would it? And we know pro wrestling booking is all about logic. However isn't the proceeding more important than getting behind some some silly division full of talented in ring workers, hmmm?
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2009 14:00:51 GMT -5
anyone else notice that the X was pretty much removed from that new TNA logo?
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 30, 2009 14:22:50 GMT -5
As much as I enjoy the X Division, I am thinking that pro wrestling is moving away from the high spot and more towards conservative in ring storytelling. Boy I remember a lot of talk on the IWC about how wrestlers in TNA are spot monkeys, can't tell stories, don't sell. That's what the X Division was, and ROH, and most indies starting in 2000 until about 07. Somewhere along the way, the people in charge decided that the x division style is hurting wrestling, and decided to de-push the entire concept.
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comahan
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Post by comahan on Dec 30, 2009 14:24:38 GMT -5
anyone else notice that the X was pretty much removed from that new TNA logo? No its not, its the same exact shape, its just not outlined anymore making the X obvious
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Post by Big L on Dec 30, 2009 16:16:23 GMT -5
Idk!!!!
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 30, 2009 16:52:45 GMT -5
I was watching the You shoot video with Sabu. In 1995, he was offered a chance to go to WCW, but one thing he didn't want to be was a crusierweight, because that's usually the kiss of death. Now, guys like Rey Mysterio and Chris Jericho broke out of that, but they stopped competing for the Crusierweight division. As much as the X-Division wants to say, it's not about weight limits, it's obvious what wrestlers normally get the X-Division title.
In WWE, they got rid of the Crusierweight Championship, and it was probably the best thing that could have ever happened to smaller wrestlers. Crusierweight, Junior Heavyweight, and yes, even X-Division, seems to mean, not as good as the Heavyweights, or just is a midcarder. And try as some people might (Kurt Angle putting over Jay Lethal clean). And now in WWE, guys who would have been crusierweights years ago are on top (Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, and even guys like John Morrison and Zack Ryder are getting some good opportunities).
The X-Division in later years, has always seemed to be that side show. Also, since a lot of the matches are based more off of moves then psychology, it's not going to last long, just based on lack of drama and storytelling. I remember a match between Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin for the X-Division title, all they did was run around full speed, do moves, no sell, and do more moves. And they got the token, "this is awesome" chant, but the match that really pulled the crowd in was Jarrett and Angle, due to the drama involved in the match. That's why I feel if things don't change with them, and other X-Division stars, they'll always be in the opening match.
I remember another match, it was the Machine Gunns and Eric Young facing this other team that Sheik Abdul Bashir was on. And Bashir was the only guy selling. Bashir also could barely get any moves in, because he was so concerned about making everything else look like it was hurting him, he couldn't keep up with the offense, because no one else was selling. That's the X-Division, and that's going to hurt them. Or maybe it was the Machine Gunns and Bashir vs Eric Young and Lethal Consequences. It was a 6 man tag. But all I remember was watching Sheik Bashir selling, and not being able to get any moves in because everyone else was too busy doing moves and not selling.
I say trash the title. With Hogan coming in, as much as I've criticised him, he comes from the school of thought where the babyface HAS to sell. That's what he did his whole career, and one reason he became the biggest star on the planet. It's best to get rid of the title, and maybe have some of those guys break out like Daniels and AJ Styles.
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Post by donners on Dec 30, 2009 17:08:30 GMT -5
I saw the belt defended just last week.*
* On Xplosion.
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Post by pacino on Dec 30, 2009 18:24:23 GMT -5
It became part of the world title scene. It's #1 player is wearing the World Title.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 30, 2009 21:21:14 GMT -5
Blah, blah, flips, blah, blah, draw, blah, blah, selling, blah, blah, blah.
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